NBAA Div. 37

[wolverines]

Check out the NBAA website for the updated '08 schedule. For the guy's that fished last year you'll notice we added Wabasis to the schedule as well as a new sponsor...Happy Time Hand Pours (there's a link on the site). We are also working on another sponsor which will make our pay-outs even better than last year!!!

For people interested we'll be fishing Wabasis, Morrison, Jordan, Duncan, Murry, and Reeds on Tues. nights.

Thanks for all who participated last year and welcome to those new members for this year.

[Jason Ammerman]

What Is The Pay Out? What % Of The Entry Gets Paid Back At The Ramp?

[waterfoul]

This is a good question.

[wolverines]

What Is The Pay Out? What % Of The Entry Gets Paid Back At The Ramp?



Same as all NBAA's J...pretty close to Russ's qualifiers % I would guess. We payout an extra spot w/ cash and two w/ sponsor packs. Just trying to draw a few more boats, not debeit on whose got the best payouts between NBAA, BBT, Shoreline, Lakedrive, BAU, ect.

By the way...why isn't Ranger having the Owner's Tourns. this year?

[Gardenfly]

So what are alot of the clubs taking? 30%-35% plus directors fish for free? Kinda interested in this myself.

[wolverines]

So what are alot of the clubs taking? 30%-35% plus directors fish for free? Kinda interested in this myself.



Directors don't pay an entry fee but do pay for big bass in NBAA. Not sure about other sanctioned clubs. The % payback differs between clubs and types of tourn. Obviously an open tournament with no money going towards a "Classic" will pay out much better than a qualifier. I would recommend going to the website of the club you are interested in fishing. If you can't find the answers to you're questions there, I'm sure there will be a contact available to someone who can. Again, each club will be different.

[waterfoul]

But the direct question was asked: What will your % payout be for Div. 37??

[wolverines]

But the direct question was asked: What will your % payout be for Div. 37??


And the direct answer was given, the same as all NBAA's...I don't know what it breaks down as a %. We are given a sheet that tells us what each place recieves based on # of entries. Then we (div. 37) pay out an extra cash spot, a gift card spot, and this year a HappyTime HandPour lure pack. Check the NBAA site for a %, if the info you want isn't there get ahold of Jim or Jack...their contact info is available there. I think I posted this info. earlier...sorry if I left something out:dizzy:

[waterfoul]

Can you point me to this place in the NBAA site where payouts are discussed? I just spent 20 minutes trying to find anything about payouts and was unsuccessful. Thanks!

Edit: Ah, now I read again that I should contact Jim. I guess I'll just talk to him at the GR show. Thanks.

[wolverines]

Edit: Ah, now I read again that I should contact Jim. I guess I'll just talk to him at the GR show. Thanks.




Jim or Jack...one or the other will be there I'm sure. They should be able to answer any ?'s you have.

[wolverines]

I just browsed the site a little myself and couldn't find anything about what % is paid back at the ramp. I did find contact info. very easily though...I would shoot an e-mail over to them that way if there are questions that aren't answered on their site. If you want to wait and talk to someone in person than the show in GR is a great option.

Our div. is $43 a team. There is also a membership fee which is $35 before May 15th '08 and $40 after. This gains you access to all NBAA tournaments for '08, not just ours. Last year I think we averaged 14 boats. I'd like to see us ave. 16-18 this year. We can pay out another spot at 16 boats. I should be able to answer most questions hear except more about what % of the money is paid out...I honestly don't know. I do know that some is held for a div. championship at the end of the year. We will take a vote from the teams that qualify on location and date. Last year we held it on Hardy and grilled food afterward with some bevs.:D...everyone seemed to have a good time. Looking forward to another good year. Hope to see some new faces this year and maybe get to meet some of you from MS.

[Jason Ammerman]

Can you post what the payout would be on 10 boats? I can take it from there.

Thanks Jason

[Jason Ammerman]

I guess this one is not going to be replied to. That is the problem with these tournaments no one will tell you what you are fishing for. They will tell you what you could win if you own this boat and this motor with this graph. But if you just want to fish for the money at the ramp know one knows.

[waterfoul]

Exactly. I have to agree with Jason on this one. I really don't mean to disprespect the NBAA... but they have some of the worst at-the-ramp payouts I've ever seen. Take for example the fall series on Reeds... winners come in with 20 pounds+... 4 boats entered.... they go home with $18??? With as many sponsors as NBAA has (I'm not talking about Div. 37 directly as I understand they pay a bit more than some, but the NBAA overall) you would think they could pay out more to the winners at the ramp instead of sinking soooooo much money into an end of year classic that almost no one gets to fish. Where's the incentive???

[Jason Ammerman]

I agree for the most part except the part about no one being able to fish there classic, just about every one that fishes gets to if they want to, all you have to do is ask real nice!

I don't care what they pay out, I just want to know what it is before I sign up. if you go to most of the bigger tournament web sites it will tell you what the payout is. I have no problem with tournament directors making money I would'nt run a big tournament for nothing because all bass fisherman have 2 things incomon there cheap and they BITCH more than any group of people i know of.

JUST TELL ME WHAT I CAN EXPECT WHEN I GET A CHECK!

[waterfoul]

I agree for the most part except the part about no one being able to fish there classic, just about every one that fishes gets to if they want to, all you have to do is ask real nice!

I don't care what they pay out, I just want to know what it is before I sign up. if you go to most of the bigger tournament web sites it will tell you what the payout is. I have no problem with tournament directors making money I would'nt run a big tournament for nothing because all bass fisherman have 2 things incomon there cheap and they BITCH more than any group of people i know of.

JUST TELL ME WHAT I CAN EXPECT WHEN I GET A CHECK!

Aint that the truth. And I thought you had to finish in the top 2 of your division just to fish a regional tournament in NBAA??

[wolverines]

I guess this one is not going to be replied to. That is the problem with these tournaments no one will tell you what you are fishing for. They will tell you what you could win if you own this boat and this motor with this graph. But if you just want to fish for the money at the ramp know one knows.



Easy fellas...I don't have access to a computer from 3:30 Sat. afternoon til Tues. morning at 7:00. I will post the pay-out for a 10 boat tourny. ASAP.

As far as the fall Reeds Div. what do you expect with 4 boats? I think that would only pay out one spot and I promise you it was more than $18.

The people that qualify for the classic is based on the ave. boats per div. I think we ave. 14 so we we could send 4 but since me and my partner qualified we got to send a 5th team.

[waterfoul]

Gotcha on the computer thing... sucks to be you!! LOL!! You need more than one computer then. :D

[wolverines]

As requested:

10 boats 1st-$147
2nd-$98
bigbass-$40

11 boats 1st-$135
2nd-$81
3rd-$54
bigbass-$44

This is based on 2007 payouts. We also charged an extra $1 per team in entry fees to cover ramp fees. Our div. also paid an extra $40 place, $20 Gander card place, and a tackle pack/Gander fishing towell for second big Bass. We also gave a $50 Gander card for bigbass of the year. 2008 should prove to be even better.

Here is more information that may help:

NBAA Overtime Championship: Anglers in your division will be competing for a chance to qualify for the year end classic championship. Your division will send the top 25% of the average number of participants. There will also be a wildcard event or drawing to give non-qualifiers a second chance to make the qualifying field.

The entry fee will be $37.00 per boat per night with an optional $5.00 for big bass. Of this, 70% is paid back at the ramp. The director retains $3.00 per team, $3.00 goes into the classic fund, $2.00 goes towards the year end Divisional Championship, $1.00 out of the big bass pot goes to NBAA for the Super Big Bass Challenge and the remaining 10% goes to NBAA for administrative purposes.

Hope this helps. Please continue with the ?'s. I will answer them as best and fast as I can to try to promote my tournaments (Div. 37) which is why this "Tournament Forum" was created...I thought. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions...if you don't like NBAA or are not satisfied with their payouts at the ramp, I think another thread should be started to discuss these opinions;) As far as this one goes...come check us out this upcoming season. We'll be starting off at Wabisis where there'll be plenty of parking and space to get teams signed up for those who haven't done so already.
Thanks

[waterfoul]

Thanks for the info Wolverines.

Hey, do you know if Ron (Gerig? Herig? runs a small Ranger) and Dave are fishing in Div. 37 this year? Good fishermen for sure.

I'm gonna say I won't be making these events this year. I already have weekly Monday (Case of the Mondays run by thedude) and Wed. night tournies (Gander) this season... adding Tues wouldn't give me anytime to charge my batteries!! LOL!!

[Jason Ammerman]

What is the entry on theose tournaments?

[msunolimit]

What is the entry on theose tournaments?

$43 a team I believe and then the $35 membership fees. Since Mikey isn't fishing them, if you need a backseat feel free to get a hold of me. Last year was my first fishing tournaments, but I proved I can put good fish in the boat...Anybody else for that matter, I'm looking for any backseat I can get in for any tournament any time I can...So PM away :) (Some of my bass are in my profile...And the Ryerson tourney...we each would've weighed in a 15lb+ EASY sack if we were fishing alone...as we were culling 2.5-3lbers at the end of the day in front of other boats lol)

[Jason Ammerman]

I would like to fish with you but I have a rule against fairy wands in my boat(lol) I won't fish NBAA because they keep way to much of the money they take in.

The way I figure that is 35% THEY KEEP,and that is figureing in BIG BASS which is 100% in all of the tournaments that I fish. most of the better tournaments take 20%. 10 for the director and 10 for the classic. and 100% for big bass if you figure that in there pay back would be alot higher.

[duckman#1]

MSU. I might fish 37 this year and if I do, I will contact you. As for the payouts: I know what your saying about the amount they keep, however you need to keep in mind they are in it to make money. I fished the National tourny last year and that is a pretty big event. I can see why they need to keep a little more out for the championship. I know Jack Horning spends alot of time running NBAA and I see no reason he shouldn't get re-imburshed for his time and effort to keep it going and constantly getting sponsors onboard.
I'm not defending NBAA as a whole, just defending the reasoning behind keeping some of the money for the National event, directors,ect.
Could it be run better?? Yes, I'm sure it could,but until someone else comes up with a club just as big and better payouts, I'll still fish NBAA.

[sfw1960]

keep in mind they are in it to make money.
Mike , especially - this is PROBABLY the most contributing factor I've avoided the tournament gigs.
Fishing with the COTM crowd is priced decently and Justin's not trying to get rich at this.
Granted I like a lazy day on the water , anytime I've fished with Mike it's always been baLLztodawaLL - just because I don't think Mike can fish slow!
:lol:
I hope Rich reconsiders the membership or at least reduces it after this season - I might cast for hotdaWgs more then!!
I'll still go to Fremont & pound some of those pEEg sMaLLjaWs though!!!
So when you're bored & up this way Mike - keep a back seat open...LOL
:evilsmile

[waterfoul]

Robert, I tried to talk Rich out of it... by his count in the survey he sent out I got out voted about 25-1!!! LOL!!! BUT, they are a non-profit organization (and registered that way under all the laws and such) so ANY money left after they pay for the plaques they give away at every tourney (1st-3rd place and big bass), the new scale they are getting ($400), and any ramp registration fees (Croton has a fee for tournies over 10 boats I guess) will go into the pot for their end of season Classic tourney (top 10 teams and wild card I believe).

[duckman#1]

You just have to ask nice???? I have never herd that one. depending on how many boats are in the division but commonly the top 3 teams at the end of the season go and then a wild card team gets to go.
I know for a fact a team that wanted to fish the top 250 muskegon tourney and they where like #258 and a long time division director told them to call Jack and ask if they could get in it, answer..NO exceptions.
I know alot of guys would be ticked if they found out just anyone can get in the Nationals...
As for the payouts, just call Jim or Jack, they will be glad to explain how it works.
Anyone fish BBT?

[fish hound]

I fish the BBT's now. They pay out a lot better, always way more boats. Used to fish the NBAA when the classic used to go to Ken/barkley. quit the year they took the classic to houghton lake. A lot more fun to go out of state with a bunch of the guys to a giant body of water where we could fish for big LM a month before our season opens here.

[sea nympho]

Not a big enough pay-out

[duckman#1]

This years Nationals is in Kentucky. I like the idea of traveling out of state too.

[fish hound]

yeah, they're goin to Kentucky, but its the Ohio river. I may go just to watch the cluster F^%* when some guys try to lock up or down for the first time in there lives. That river is one of the few places where they plant LM to try to sustain a population, not grow trophies. 9-10 # may win ya a new nitro with a 115 on it. Good luck if you're going.

[thedude]

ohio river? ahahahahaha..... 9-10# total in a 2-3 day tournament has a chance to win it there.

[wolverines]

I fish the BBT's now. They pay out a lot better, always way more boats. Used to fish the NBAA when the classic used to go to Ken/barkley. quit the year they took the classic to houghton lake. A lot more fun to go out of state with a bunch of the guys to a giant body of water where we could fish for big LM a month before our season opens here.



I would challenge that Russ's payouts are way better. We are talking about qualifiers here...do the math on BBT qualifiers. I'd guess it's no higher than 80%. Yes it's a little better, but not much. Then compare what NBAA gives away throughout the year. Check out the BBT classic payout vs. what NBAA gives out.

Second you are comparing a week-end club to my Tues. nighters. Of course there's going to be more boats. We average about 14, BBT gets about 70-80 (50-60 on the Grand:lol:). NBAA has some big week-end tournys...in St. Clair:yikes: Anyway they're both good clubs. I would highly recommend them both.

[Jason Ammerman]

I know of a few guys that were able to fish the classic and did not make it via the points. At the classic in Kenn they let me fish as a sub in the weeknight division and I did not qualify as a sub through there rules, and I know a couple of guys that got innvatations to this years classic that did not fish enoug of the tournaments to get there. All NBAA wants to do is take as many boats as they can so the local area gives them more money.

Just look at this as a point of view NBAA has around 6,000 members X $35.00 = $210,000.00 add that to the the money that they take from the tournaments and the sponsor money.

[fish hound]

This thread has gotten off the original topic. I wasn't trying to compare a weeknighter NBAA to the BBTs.

[wolverines]

Come out and join the fun on Saturday February 9th at D&R Sports in Kalamazoo. Pro-staff from NBAA will be on hand from 11:00 – 3:00 going over all the big news for 2008 including announcing the championship site for the upcoming season. We’ll be handing out schedules and signing up new members for the 2008 season, plus we’ll have a special drawings throughout the afternoon. Special guest and top national pro Stacey King will also be on hand and doing a special seminar @ 1:00 pm. There will be tons to talk about with new major sponsors including Nitro, Tracker, Mercury and AAIP. So come out and join the fun at D&R Sports and see what’s new for 2008.

[bucketmouthhauler]

So what are alot of the clubs taking? 30%-35% plus directors fish for free? Kinda interested in this myself.


Top bass always pays out awesome. Plus they are great honest guys, good competition and huge money, look into it.

[Jason Ammerman]

Top Bass is a great tournament I fished one on muskegon but most of your tournaments are on the east side.