Closing a thread!

[Merv]

I am new to this board, could someone please explain why the Coyote dog thread was closed.

[Lucky Dog]

I sent an alert to the Mods to have the post closed. In my opinion, threads that turn to committing criminal acts, in this case, killing / shooting dogs, should be closed. Apparently the mods thought along the same lines.

[Fur-minator]

It is too bad that it went there because I feel a G rated version could be beneficial, and help educate people.

[wild bill]

I sent an alert to the Mods to have the post closed. In my opinion, threads that turn to committing criminal acts, in this case, killing / shooting dogs, should be closed. Apparently the mods thought along the same lines.

while i agree the dog shooting part should be edited i dont think there was reason to close it.

[NEMichsportsman]

There are a ton of threads that have discussed this matter before.


The search function is fully operational.

We generally don't allow closed threads to be re-opened as an additional thread.

[GuT_PiLe]

The thread being closed was my fault.

I made a statement that was not intended to be taken as so VERY seriously as it was, thats the one downside of reading text, there is no "tone" to text...you cant hear someone laughing while they are typing it, and i ruffled some panties.

The post wasn't knocking hunting styles, it was knocking trespassing, and an issue someone had with another reckless person's dogs ending up on his land while hunting, effectively ruining his hunt and actually endangering whoever that persons dogs were, because the hunter thought it was a deer for a moment, and we all know where that could lead.

I made a stupid comment about shooting the dogs, i was laughing while i was typing, but again...you can't here laughter in text, and some folks have sensitive nipples (that was a JOKE!....i'm laughing)

Again I'm sorry, however take this next statement as you will...

Please, lighten up...Life's to short to be offended so easily...yes i understand we do live in a "Politically correct" society now, so we all must conform and OBEY.

lolololol

[12Ring]

You shouldnt have to apologize, I think it's pretty resonable to assume you where just joking around. Looks to me that by closing the thread somebodys covering up for slob's or hiding from the truth.

[Sprytle]

I understand what your saying , but mentioning shooting hunting dogs on the biggest mich outdoor forum on the net.....

What did you excpect....

You know they cant see you "laughing" Not that thats a laughing matter anyways.......Think...

[GuT_PiLe]

The poor guy was having a problem with trespassers.

Those being dogs of a dumb owner.

I've heard similar stories of this in hunting circles, and usually you hear

"well did you shoot the ****ers?" and laughter erupts...and everyone knows its a joke....not the case here.

Thanks dad...i'll be sure to "think" next time

lolol

[12Ring]

Looks more like censorship to me, how would we every get any issues in this country resolved if they could not be debated. If there was a problem with one response then delete that post if it was inapropriat , but not the whole thread. I think we had a good discussion going on. It's obvious there are alot of people who feel very strongly about this issue and someting needs to be done.

[Frantz]

The issue has been beat to death and the outcome is always the same.

1. My dogs can go where they want, and I can go in to get them, the law is on my side, regardless of moral or ethical concerns.

2. Your dog comes here and I will shot it.

3. Shoot my dog, and i will be mad and you will pay, millions of dollars.

4. If it ain't a hunting dog, it is a vicious killer and should be wiped out, or, it is otherwise worthless and a joke, have it put down with all the mixed breeds that happen by accident or not.

5. I have permission to run my dogs through ALL my neighbors property except that loser that only has 5 acres and tells me NO, well he does not count.

6. If my dog is lost and I need to retrieve him, you can bet I will, here is the law that states I can, and if you block me, you are in violation and I will get the law out to help me be a slob.

7. Sure, you can come run around in my yard all you want, but I will never publicly post my name and address so you and others can test my dedication to the enjoyment of having MY land trespassed upon such as I trespass upon yours.

[casscityalum]

Better be carefull this might get locked:yikes: down and deleted by the mods!!:help:

Far as posting I think the best bet for tone is to use the :evil::mad::D:lol::cwm27: and you'll get a better response..

But I know what you mean. Some of the mods need to lighten up a bit, but I do understand where there coming from to. If some were not so anal:gaga: about things we'd have a bunch of threads and might lose this site! So I will give them a break but when they don't chill Ill be on their butt about it you can count on that.:lol:

Speaking of locking, what happen to the Trost post? Nothing wrong in there that I can see. Which Mod shut it down and whats the reasoning? Well guess I dont need to know which mod but more the reason......

[Whit1]

I closed the thread and for the reasons I stated in my last post.

Shooting of dogs, cats, etc. are not taken lightly in MS and we do not consider it a laughing matter. As I mentioned we've seen those dog hunting threads that involve the LP dive into posters beginning to talk about taking steps to stop the dogs tresspassing by retaliating against the unwitting animal. It has only caused grief on the boards as history has shown.

As for lightning up there are some topics, and a suggestion to shoot a tresspassing dog.........humorous or not.......is not taken lightly as you can see.

As for the Fred Trost thread, I'm not sure which one is being referred to, but in the past it has been our practice to shut down those threads. There are reasons that won't be gotten into.

As for "censorship" it may be, but this is a private site owned by an individual whose wishes we aceed to much like an editor can edit letters to the editor in a newspaper. Censorship laws do not apply here. I have to chuckle at the remark about how do issues get "resolved". I've been an MS member since '01 and a mod since '03 and have not seen one issue get "resolved" in these forums.......:lol:

[Frantz]

I've been an MS member since '01 and a mod since '03 and have not seen one issue get "resolved" in these forums.......:lol:

Oh, that's a dirty lie, go to the food and wine forums, lots of issues get resolved there!:lol:

[GuT_PiLe]

Better be carefull this might get locked:yikes: down and deleted by the mods!!:help:

Far as posting I think the best bet for tone is to use the :evil::mad::D:lol::cwm27: and you'll get a better response..

But I know what you mean. Some of the mods need to lighten up a bit, but I do understand where there coming from to. If some were not so anal:gaga: about things we'd have a bunch of threads and might lose this site! So I will give them a break but when they don't chill Ill be on their butt about it you can count on that.:lol:

Speaking of locking, what happen to the Trost post? Nothing wrong in there that I can see. Which Mod shut it down and whats the reasoning? Well guess I dont need to know which mod but more the reason......


It's all a power trip. Hail Caesar!

Last time I checked, Michigan was part of America. Where you have the right to disagree, a right to freedom of speech.

That's not the case here, those rules of freedom don't exist.

Feels like a prison yard in here, with the ever present watchful eye upon you.

Don't have an opinion
And you better not disagree with anybody, especially if that anybody has admin rights

Life is way to short to be that serious.

Sad

[2PawsRiver]

by the way Merv, welcome to the site...........you're not a full fledged member until a moderator closes one of your threads.:D

Will give you a head start.......just start a thread that deals with Baiting, Snagging, Crossbows, or The Pine River:evil:

[jlcrss]

by the way Merv, welcome to the site...........you're not a full fledged member until a moderator closes one of your threads.:D

Will give you a head start.......just start a thread that deals with Baiting, Snagging, Crossbows, or The Pine River:evil:

How true is that statement. I must be a crafty veteran now as I have had several closed threads under my belt. I am not sure it is something to be proud of. Why is it I sometimes feel I am back in the principals office...wierd.

I think as a humorous side note along with having the number of posts as a public stat they should also include how many closed threads you have as well. Its like trophy hunting.

lol

[Thunderhead]

It's all a power trip. Hail Caesar!

Last time I checked, Michigan was part of America. Where you have the right to disagree, a right to freedom of speech.

That's not the case here, those rules of freedom don't exist.

Feels like a prison yard in here, with the ever present watchful eye upon you.

Don't have an opinion
And you better not disagree with anybody, especially if that anybody has admin rights

Life is way to short to be that serious.

Sad

Your always " free " to go to another site that better suits your tastes.
After all, this IS America.

[kbkrause]

Your always " free " to go to another site that better suits your tastes.
After all, this IS America.

People are also "free" to start their own site with their rules...

[DANIEL MARK ZAPOLSKI]

what a great IDEA!:D what should they look like?:confused: hmmm? :help:maybe cross rifles with a red ringed target between the butt stocks. :Dhow many are you allowed per season?:yikes:

[Whit1]

Here's the list of NW Rivers threads where the Pine River was mentioned. How many have been closed? Those that were closed were back in the days when the mention of the Pine R. was not condoned on the boards.
http://www.michigan-sportsman.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=24 (http://www.michigan-sportsman.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=24)

Notice post #5.
http://www.michigan-sportsman.com/forum/showthread.php?t=144568&highlight=Pine+River (http://www.michigan-sportsman.com/forum/showthread.php?t=144568&highlight=Pine+River)

This thread was closed because at the time the Pine R., in the NW, was off limits for posting. The policy was changed and the Pine R. is now okay to talk about.

Notice post #4
http://www.michigan-sportsman.com/forum/showthread.php?t=139886&highlight=Pine+River (http://www.michigan-sportsman.com/forum/showthread.php?t=139886&highlight=Pine+River)

Again this thread was closed because at the time mention of the Pine R. was not allowed on the site.

I didn't go through the long list of threads mentioning baiting, snagging, and crossbows, but the history does show those threads getting closed, but it is due to the fact that they sink into a tit-for-tat p'ing match between members who disagree to the point where they, apparently, can no longer be civil or the thread seems to have played itself out.

Crossbow threads have been closed due to the same problems arising. However, two outstanding examples of where they were not closed took place in the past couple of months where the topic was discussed, with only minor difficulties, for up to 12 pages of posts.

Over the years mods have seen snagging and baiting threads fall into the same, angry comments between members that sinkk them into uselessness.

I'm sure my comments will be negated as, of course, I'm one of the mods who looks at these things through "rose colored glasses" that are further dialated due to obvious bias which causes threads to be closed because the path they are traveling does not fit with the mindset of the moderators........:lol:

As long as things are kept civil and moving along they will remain open.

[Neal]

what a great IDEA! what should they look like? hmmm? maybe cross rifles with a red ringed target between the butt stocks. how many are you allowed per season?

Maybe in the form of strikes, you know, like bowling X X X

beware of the turkey;)

[jlcrss]

Maybe in the form of strikes, you know, like bowling X X X

beware of the turkey;)

I think skulls would be better. Than if you had a couple skulls it would be like, Hey watch out for that guy he is one bad A%^. Or maybe not:lol:

[Thunderhead]

[QUOTE=Whit1;1937101] I'm one of the mods who looks at these things through "rose colored glasses" that are further dialated due to obvious bias QUOTE]

That further dialation isn't due to obvious bias Milton, probably just cataracts. :)

[soggybtmboys]

:whistle:

[tgafish]

I
As for "censorship" it may be, but this is a private site owned by an individual whose wishes we aceed to much like an editor can edit letters to the editor in a newspaper. Censorship laws do not apply here. I have to chuckle at the remark about how do issues get "resolved". I've been an MS member since '01 and a mod since '03 and have not seen one issue get "resolved" in these forums.......:lol:

Whit,
I would say the success of this site basically shows the wisdom of Steve's vision on how this site should be. Why change something that isn't broke?

Sincerely,
the silent majority;)

[Rustyaxecamp]

Ever notice that these types of threads are usually guys with minimal posts under their belt?

Every time I see a "This site sucks" or a "Mods are too anal", I can bet on it being a "newbie".

Once your here a while, you see, it is one of the better sites out there for several reasons......

Keep up the good work Steve and Mods!!:coolgleam

[2PawsRiver]

Relax Whit, I was just checking to see if you were reading this thread.:evil::lol:

The Pine River:)

[Shoeman]

Your always " free " to go to another site that better suits your tastes.


And eventually some don't have a choice

[casscityalum]

Every time I see a "This site sucks" or a "Mods are too anal", I can bet on it being a "newbie".


Wow now this is some good reading. I like the mods talking and people talking back!:evilsmile

Far as this site I love it. But at times there are some things that seem to get shut down pretty quick. It might be cause Ive only been here since Aug, and dont know how some of these post have been started before. But sometimes it just seems like itd be nice to give it a shot..and let it play out.

Far as the dog issue I agree with the mods.

The fred trost post I was referring to was the bennift dinner. Maybe one post talked about him being a laywer but nothing else to my eye rendered shuting it down.

So to the mods I would say keep it up, I know some of us might not agree but your shutting it down for a reason. My only request would be to p.m the guy that started a thread that got shutdown, to reason why it got shut down and not be so anal in responses.

Ive only had one or two post shut down, but I had one mod refer back to me in a way I couldnt believe a mod would talk. Im still shocked to how this guy wrote me. I hope not all mods act like him. I wrote him back in a not so nice manner and even later wrote back appologizing and requesting he answer a few question and got no response. Is this typical?

Thanks Steve and it truely is a great site.

[jlcrss]

Ever notice that these types of threads are usually guys with minimal posts under their belt?

Every time I see a "This site sucks" or a "Mods are too anal", I can bet on it being a "newbie".

Once your here a while, you see, it is one of the better sites out there for several reasons......

Keep up the good work Steve and Mods!!:coolgleam

There is a reason for this. People with minimal posts aren't use to getting a thread locked or closed. Eventually you move past it because you like the hunting and fishing aspect of this site. Thats how I made my peace with it. I can't say that I have not said before, what a bunch crap. I will say though that the moderators have done a good job so far of explaining things when they closed or deleted my posts. I feel in those situations when I was fuming mad they were go at de-escalating the situation.

[Whit1]

"That further dialation isn't due to obvious bias Milton, probably just cataracts. :)"

And the right eye gets taken care of next week Wed. with the left eye to follow two weeks afterwards. Does that mean that'll be a nicer mod?? :lol:


"Relax Whit, I was just checking to see if you were reading this thread.:evil::lol:"

Yup, Ol' Whit is relaxed. However, even in humor, some very wrong impressions can be passed as witnessed by the follow-up post to yours that I was referring to. The first casuality of misinformtion is usually truth and sometimes it's necessary to show the facts in order to dispell baseless rumors that fester into unfounded fact........:lol:

[Polish Outdoorman]

Hello You !!
Paul live Gnienzo here !!

No my posts closd. This place being good ! America great !!
Say anyting that is not any smarts and no problem.
In Poland, I saying stupid and Helga hits harder with a fists. :rant:

In America say smart, say stupd, no troubling ! All igood.
America free to say all !!


I liking Michigans sportsmans.Com. Loving outdoors to talk to fishing and hunt deer with a big horn.

Odurzony jest jak (ponieważ) odurzony robi !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :one_eye:

[itchn2fish]

Thanks for that Paul from Poland. Best post yet.

[jeffthedj]

Hello You !!
Paul live Gnienzo here !!

No my posts closd. This place being good ! America great !!
Say anyting that is not any smarts and no problem.
In Poland, I saying stupid and Helga hits harder with a fists. :rant:

In America say smart, say stupd, no troubling ! All igood.
America free to say all !!


I liking Michigans sportsmans.Com. Loving outdoors to talk to fishing and hunt deer with a big horn.

Odurzony jest jak (ponieważ) odurzony robi !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :one_eye:

That still kills me!!

[Michigander1]

Dont you guys understand.Its ok to post 2 people dieing from 6 dogs.But dont ever talk about killing a dog.Sometimes i wonder about Mods.Call it Censorship.I call it BS.Mich

[Rustyaxecamp]

I saying stupid and Helga hits harder with a fists. :rant:

See, Paul is a newbie and he understands....;)

[contrary2ordinary]

Dont you guys understand.Its ok to post 2 people dieing from 6 dogs.But dont ever talk about killing a dog.Sometimes i wonder about Mods.Call it Censorship.I call it BS.Mich

It isn't censorship. You can still talk about it. You just have to do it somewhere else.

[Rustyaxecamp]

Sometimes i wonder about Mods.Call it Censorship.I call it BS.Mich

Last I checked this is a private site. They can censor whatever they want.

[Fur-minator]

In defense of the newbies I would like to say that we have no way of knowing which topics have been covered. It seems to me if nobody posted to a thread it is going nowhere. If people are still posting it must be important to them (kinda like this one).

Would it be inappropriate for someone to start a new thread on the same subject (without the bad comments that I won't mention here)?

[Whit1]

Dont you guys understand.Its ok to post 2 people dieing from 6 dogs.But dont ever talk about killing a dog.Sometimes i wonder about Mods.Call it Censorship.I call it BS.Mich

Please explain the threads you're talking about. URLs would help.

As for killing dogs, the way it is usually discussed on these boards, that would be illegal. Call it censorship or whatever you like, but MS will not have activities that are illegal discussed on these forums as if they are being condoned.

Because this is a privately owned forum censorship is not an issue. Try posting letters to the editor of a newspaper that go over the paper's guidelines/policy for such letter. I'll assure you they will not be published.

URLs of the thread(s)/post(s) you are talking about above please.

[DANIEL MARK ZAPOLSKI]

coming:lol: a couple more and bam that door will close:hide:

[ESOX]

But I know what you mean. Some of the mods need to lighten up a bit, but I do understand where there coming from to. If some were not so anal:gaga: about things we'd have a bunch of threads and might lose this site! So I will give them a break but when they don't chill Ill be on their butt about it you can count on that.:lol:


Gee, I really appreciate that you are not being too hard on us. I am tired of cowering in the corner with my keyboard, afraid to open any thread you have posted on, for fear that I may have incurred your wrath. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[contrary2ordinary]

Gee, I really appreciate that you are not being too hard on us. I am tired of cowering in the corner with my keyboard, afraid to open any thread you have posted on, for fear that I may have incurred your wrath. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:


you got served

[GMslave]

Last I checked this is a private site. They can censor whatever they want.

Exactly. I'm a Moderator on another board and we've been through this over and over as well. This site is owned by somebody, much like a piece of property. The Moderators are caretakers of the piece of property (pool boys, gardeners, house maids, slumlords, whatever).
You are allowed to come onto the property and do/say what you want, but if you step out of line according to the general guidelines set forth by the property owner, the Mods will zap you or your drivel.
They don't "owe" anyone an explaination, although it is the 'polite' thing to do. Furthermore, your 1st Amendment rights do not apply here no matter how many guns you own, Militias you belong to, commies you've killed, or how much you hate Hillary Clinton.
Sorry, but that's just the way it is. :sad:

[Whit1]

The Moderators are caretakers of the piece of property (pool boys.......... slumlords, :sad:

:yikes:....I'm not sure if I like those epithets!!!!!!.........:lol: :lol:

[GMslave]

:yikes:....I'm not sure if I like those epithets!!!!!!.........:lol: :lol:

Just trying to paint a mental picture Hoss. Don't taze me Bro !! :hide:

[Kelly Johnson]

Don't post your illegal activities or personally attack someone and we wouldn't have to lock and close stuff.:idea:

[12Ring]

I never posted anything condoning illegal activites or personely attacted anybody but it was my thread that got pulled.

[Whit1]

I never posted anything condoning illegal activites or personely attacted anybody but it was my thread that got pulled.


That was because a poster mentioned shooting of tresspassing dogs. He said it was in jest, but, as you've seen that's not a topic/comment that MS' owner and us mods take lightly.

It has been our experience that the topic of tresspassing dogs gets hot and heavy and quickly sinks to unacceptable levels of discourse. As soon as it comes up on the boards the mods are very aware and keep a close eye on the thread and at the first sign of doing harm to the dogs.....cats as well......the thread is closed.

We've been doing it this way for several years and will continue. Accept it or not that's the way it is.

We do understand that new MS members such as yourself have no idea of the past history of certain topics and begin threads in all innocence. That happens now and then. Just take this experience and learn something positive from it. That's all we ask.

[casscityalum]

you got served

oh if he only knew:D

[casscityalum]

Gee, I really appreciate that you are not being too hard on us. I am tired of cowering in the corner with my keyboard, afraid to open any thread you have posted on, for fear that I may have incurred your wrath. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:


Glad to see you coming out of your corner...must be pretty boring at times. I know how you feel:coolgleam

[casscityalum]

Well another thing, how did all you guys become mods????

[Whit1]

Well another thing, how did all you guys become mods????

Choose One:
A. We paid a huge bribe in order to be named a mod
B. We lost a bet and got stuck with the job
C. We were dragged kicking and screaming under threats of revealing a sordid past
D. None of the above

:lol:

Seriously?

The mods are chosen by Steve after consulting with the other moderators on the site. One does not try to become a mod as that can be the "kiss of death" (we've seen it before).

A member that has been on the site for some time and has demonstrated a reasonableness in handling posts and comments is sometimes asked to be a moderator when a need arises. Despite what some might think "people skills" are a valuable asset to have. Some accept and some decline.

For a variety of reasons the time comes when a moderator can no longer serve and steps down. That's when the process of selecting a new member to serve arises and the selection process begins.

When Steve PMs a mod candidate asking if they'd like to serve it comes as a distinct surprise to the individual.

[2PawsRiver]

Somebody has to let the cat out of the bag so it might as well be me.

I did a Freedom of Information Request on Michigan-Sportsman, and recieved all the documents associated with this site. It is actually registered as Michigan Sportsman Inc., the listed President is "Steve" and there are 14 partners listed, all of which are associated with the website as Moderators.

Their 2006 Financial disclosure, listed income based on Direct Adversiting, Subsitial Internet Hits, and "Sponsoring Membership" as $164,947, with $38,429 paid in taxes and fees.

Saleries were listed at $87,521 distributed based on an hourly rate of $19 per hour per partner. Hourly activity is accounted for based on registered activity on the website and actual interaction with the threads which required modification, editing, termination or deletion.

Donations are listed as $2,412 to various political activities and senior care centers.

Steves salary is not specific to this website and is based on total income from 5 website based business similar to MS Sportsman and is listed at $254,612.

If you send me $5 I will send you a copy of all these lies.:yikes:

[aquaticsanonymous]

Somebody has to let the cat out of the bag so it might as well be me.

I did a Freedom of Information Request on Michigan-Sportsman, and recieved all the documents associated with this site. It is actually registered as Michigan Sportsman Inc., the listed President is "Steve" and there are 14 partners listed, all of which are associated with the website as Moderators.

Their 2006 Financial disclosure, listed income based on Direct Adversiting, Subsitial Internet Hits, and "Sponsoring Membership" as $164,947, with $38,429 paid in taxes and fees.

Saleries were listed at $87,521 distributed based on an hourly rate of $19 per hour per partner. Hourly activity is accounted for based on registered activity on the website and actual interaction with the threads which required modification, editing, termination or deletion.

Donations are listed as $2,412 to various political activities and senior care centers.

Steves salary is not specific to this website and is based on total income from 5 website based business similar to MS Sportsman and is listed at $254,612.

If you send me $5 I will send you a copy of all these lies.:yikes:

I read this thread and yawned many a time, until I saw this post.....hilarious:lol:

[Whit1]

Somebody has to let the cat out of the bag so it might as well be me.

I did a Freedom of Information Request on Michigan-Sportsman, and recieved all the documents associated with this site. It is actually registered as Michigan Sportsman Inc., the listed President is "Steve" and there are 14 partners listed, all of which are associated with the website as Moderators.

Their 2006 Financial disclosure, listed income based on Direct Adversiting, Subsitial Internet Hits, and "Sponsoring Membership" as $164,947, with $38,429 paid in taxes and fees.

Saleries were listed at $87,521 distributed based on an hourly rate of $19 per hour per partner. Hourly activity is accounted for based on registered activity on the website and actual interaction with the threads which required modification, editing, termination or deletion.

Donations are listed as $2,412 to various political activities and senior care centers.

Steves salary is not specific to this website and is based on total income from 5 website based business similar to MS Sportsman and is listed at $254,612.

If you send me $5 I will send you a copy of all these lies.:yikes:

Phew! When I first started reading your post I feared the mods' bonus for closing threads as well as deleting and editing post would be revealed for all to see. At $100 a pop for closing a thread, $25 for deleting a post and $10 per edited post the sum of money can be substantial to a hard working moderator. I won't mention how much we get for banning a member, but let's just say that that particular bonus paid for my new deer rifle last September plus an all expense bait trip to Saskachawan to hunt trophy whitetails with huge antlers. After all, that's what we hunt for isn't it? :lol:

[Steve]

I feel the need to comment on a few things with regard to this thread.

1. I wish this site and I came close to that kind of money 2Paws. Hilarious post.

2. It is a private site and while I do not wish to censor any reasonable discourse and fully support free speach whether I agree with the poster or not, please remember that this is a family rated site and secondly certain subjects invariably cause big problems and will eventually get people into trouble (think strikes). Do a search for threads on a topic before you post and see if it is one of these hot buttons. Myself and my volunteer moderators (and they do a heck of a job), will close these threads quickly unless they are going VERY politely and smoothly. It much easier for us to close one of these first then clean up the mess later including the possibility of handing out strikes to multiple people.

3. Yes moderators are chosen by me and their peers (moderators). We do not choose solely based on knowledge of subject matter, but more so on people skills and the ability to keep a level head. Asking to be a moderator is a sure way to not become one.

4. The latest Trost thread was closed by me. There was a question asked and an answer given. I saw nothing else good coming out of it after that. That was an executive decision by me.

5. Moderators and myself do not wish to be heavy handed or needlessly intervene. We'd rather just sit back and read posts like the rest of you but there are times when action needs to be taken to keep things civil. Back in the old days there were times when things got very un-civil at times. We try to minimize this these days.

6. We have an average of 25-30 people join every day, and 2000 new posts on a good day. If we happen to close a post and notify someone as to why, we are being polite. If we close a post and don't tell anyone why, we are busy.

I hope this answers the concerns.

[Polish Outdoorman]

4. The latest Trost thread was closed by me. There was a question asked and an answer given. I saw nothing else good coming out of it after that. That was an executive decision by me.



Steve is of owning site michigan.sportsman.com ?

Hello You !! Paul live Gnienzo here !! :fish:

Meeting you is very happy. Loving to talk of outdoors here !
Thanking you from Poland !!

You come Poland. Helga and me you stay. We hunt deer with a big horn !
Many roe !!
Helga making good Żywność !!

Try wisky I make. We danceing wild to AC and DC !

Helga say happy is your face ! Smiling is big !
Im thinking she is liking to you ! :corkysm55

[casscityalum]

Well......I dont want to be a mod! hahaha They don't make enough money to pay me what I deserve. I mean even Steves pay looks like fresh out of College for me:)

Glad to be at service to cause controversy and arguments anytime though;) Makes for good reading as long as it keeps some what civil!

Far as the Trost, after going back for a 4th look I see where it could go from there.

[PsEbUcKmAsTeR17]

When I first got on this forum in 2005 I thought it was the best thing ever. Lately it's been going down hill. I understand that the Mods have a job to do, but I think a select few take their jobs way too seriously. I think that they close threads too quickly without seeing where it is going.

I hate that threads get closed because we as sportsman are too worried about what PETA or other anti orginizations think. If we dont post pictures or tell stories because we think they may be "too much" or more "fuel" and PETA might not like it, it is BS. They dont operate based on truth and reason. They make up what they want. By us not posting our success or our reviews on products like a broadhead hole, or a trapped animal, I think we are the ones losing because we are not doing what we care about. I think that by us not posting or "covering it up" it just makes us look like we think what we do is wrong and that is why we dont post it.

I also hate the threads that get closed or deleted because people have a small disagreement, instead of closing it let the guys work it out. If you have a problem and are getting offended then go somewhere else. There is no reason that guys should not be able to have a debate or have a disagreement as long as it can be kept civil.
I spend most of my time on the trapping forum. Our moderator David G Duncan is a great moderator. He does not close things when guys have a disagreement or when guys get on there posting things that offend other people he sends you a PM lets you know what you are doing is not appreciated and lets you make the decision about deleting it from all my experience. There have been times that people post things common sense should tell you not to post, or something illegal is posted that have been deleted. When guys have disagreements he doesnt close it right away, he lets it go. It usually works its way out, and if it doesnt whether it's a new or old members and they want to keep argueing we just ignore them.

As far as being a moderator, dont ask if you can help its useless you just get ignored. I sent three PM's asking if there was any help needed and was never answered. At least a simple "we dont need any help" would of been better than ignoring me, thats is just childish. (I am not going to name names so dont ask this person knows who they are)


Yes moderators are chosen by me and their peers (moderators). We do not choose solely based on knowledge of subject matter, but more so on people skills and the ability to keep a level head. Asking to be a moderator is a sure way to not become one.




This is just my .02.

-Psebuckmaster17-

[Steve]

As far as being a moderator, dont ask if you can help its useless you just get ignored. I sent three PM's asking if there was any help needed and was never answered. At least a simple "we dont need any help" would of been better than ignoring me, thats is just childish. (I am not going to name names so dont ask this person knows who they are)

If it was me that is typical. I get many, many PM's a day. I have to decide which ones I can respond to. A PM from someone asking to be a moderator is an auto-delete. That is a position your earn from your posts and demeanor.

[HunterHawk]

the bottom line is this site is awesome for inoformation.... i was thinking of maybe moving to Colorado next year to get a job and tried to look for a good hunting forum from Colorado and that is when i realized how spoiled we are, some people can complain all they want but i have met a few friends from this site and had good outings catching and shooting things, i dont understand the pissing matches anymore i guess... i think its kind of pointless, yes i will do it if someone is ignorant and doesnt try seeing the otherside of things or its his way or no way to try to presuade them, then once its usless just give it up...

awesome site steve and i feel the mods do a pretty good job as well, of course i have had a mod tell me why my thread was locked and i totally understood.... that really does help.... so mods if you have time in between deleting and editing its nice to tell why it is closed... just to the starter of the thread anyway.... or to the most civilized:)

good thread really, and thanks again for the site... its going to hurt if i have to change sites if i change states. so you all better have some info on Colorado for me!

[skidoomaster]

by the way Merv, welcome to the site...........you're not a full fledged member until a moderator closes one of your threads.:D

Will give you a head start.......just start a thread that deals with Baiting, Snagging, Crossbows, or The Pine River:evil:


I's just like to add "silverlabs" to this list! :D