Man, that one made me sick!

[Salmonous Maximus]

The Lions just gave one away. You can't do that and expect to make the playoffs. Run the darn ball by the way, at least try! Two games, 7 yards rushing. Yet with a good chance to win, Kitna throws two picks in the last 3 minutes to lose. Awwwwwwww, puke.

[zx10r2004]

you should of been use to it last year.:D

[Jimmer]

At least they went down swinging!
:lol:

[William H Bonney]

you should of been use to it last year.:D

Or the 40 years before that. :lol:

[Salmonous Maximus]

BTW- Why the HELL don't they try to throw the jump ball more often to 81? Another wasted draft pick so far. Calvin has the tools though, they just don't use him. I know they keep saying he is still a little banged up, but look at Roy Williams. He is banged up too and he is seeing the ball a lot. Throw Calvin the BALL!!! He is taller than everyone and can jump higher than everyone......soooooo doesn't it add up? Nice job also, kicking a field goal on 4th and inches deep in Giant territory early in the game. If you can't get an inch on 4th down you don't deserve to win the game anyways.

[Steve]

Same old Lions.

[waterfoul]

I almost threw the remote at the TV. But then I figured the Loins aren't worth the nearly $800 TV!!!!

[radiohead]

Or better yet, why are you throwing a jump ball to a 5'10 receiver?


BTW- Why the HELL don't they try to throw the jump ball more often to 81? Another wasted draft pick so far. Calvin has the tools though, they just don't use him. I know they keep saying he is still a little banged up, but look at Roy Williams. He is banged up too and he is seeing the ball a lot. Throw Calvin the BALL!!! He is taller than everyone and can jump higher than everyone......soooooo doesn't it add up? Nice job also, kicking a field goal on 4th and inches deep in Giant territory early in the game. If you can't get an inch on 4th down you don't deserve to win the game anyways.

[Munsterlndr]

BTW- Why the HELL don't they try to throw the jump ball more often to 81? Another wasted draft pick so far. Calvin has the tools though, they just don't use him. I know they keep saying he is still a little banged up, but look at Roy Williams. He is banged up too and he is seeing the ball a lot. Throw Calvin the BALL!!! He is taller than everyone and can jump higher than everyone......soooooo doesn't it add up? Nice job also, kicking a field goal on 4th and inches deep in Giant territory early in the game. If you can't get an inch on 4th down you don't deserve to win the game anyways.
CJ is the #3 or #4 reciever. The O-line never gives Kitna enough time to get past his first check down. Unless the play is specifically targeted to CJ he is not going to see the ball. I agree he has the tools, they need to get him the ball more. I also can't understand why Martz is not using Duckett more. In single back sets the defense always keys on KJ. If he gave the ball to Duckett some more it would help keep the defense honest and might actually generate some yardage on the ground.

[Westlakedrive]

Really seems like Kitnas been missing throws. Maybe injured maybe just not that good. Although his completion percentage is all right a lot of that is against the prevent. However put him in third and ten and you end up with an overthrown receiver.

[Salmonous Maximus]

CJ is the #3 or #4 receiver. The O-line never gives Kitna enough time to get past his first check down.


Absolutely right about that horrid O-line. Backus with another blunder, false start on Kitna's hard count on the last drive.:mad:

I thought every expert said that CJ is the best receiver to come into the NFL since Randy Moss? Wouldn't that make him better than a #3, or #4? Are the Lions really that bad at everything including drafting, or are they just ruining the talent they bring in?

[Nascar31Fan]

Definitely a tough one to watch. I think this validates the Lions as pretenders and not contenders!

[William H Bonney]

,,,,,,, Are the Lions really that bad at everything including drafting, or are they just ruining the talent they bring in?

Yes and yes.

[SR-Mechead]

Kitna is showing the reason he was a second string QB.When things are going his way he is fine but as soon as things get hot he turns to crap. He had time today and didn't throw worth a damn. Watching cars go around a track was more fun than watching him come of the field today. Eat your turkey early so you don't throw it up if you watch the game:lol:
Bob

[the rapids]

the lions arent that bad, in fact we are probably in the middle of the pack in this leauge. its just that the teams that beat us are better (well duh). coming up, the packers, chargers, cowboys and maybe even the chiefs are too. actually, there is a real possibility that we wont win again this season.

i feel bad for the players who waste away their prime playing years here in detroit.

but hey, go lions right?

[MEL]

but hey, go lions right?

Right!!! Man i just got done watching Tom Bradey and the Pats put 56 on the Bills. What a complete and total ask kickin!!! Even got to watch my 1st loins game of the year today. Even tho i did fall asleep from the 2nd to 4th qtrs.
My questions is can we trade, Kitna, Roy Williams, KJ, CJ and Shawn Rodgers to the Pats for Bradey? Nawwww, they wouldnt go for it. Perhaps the entire loins team and the next 10 years of #1 draft picks for Bradey?
Bradey could play all the offense and all the defence and still be better than the loins!!!

[the rapids]

i mean really, why does it matter what the lions record is this season or even if they make the playoffs. are we really going to beat new england if we go all the way? seriously, i feel bad for the fans of good teams in this leauge, because this is once again a new england year.

detroit might as well just lose the rest of the games and hopefully pick somewhere near the top 10. oh wait we are going to anyway.

[William H Bonney]

Right!!! Man i just got done watching Tom Bradey and the Pats put 56 on the Bills. What a complete and total ask kickin!!! Even got to watch my 1st loins game of the year today. Even tho i did fall asleep from the 2nd to 4th qtrs.
My questions is can we trade, Kitna, Roy Williams, KJ, CJ and Shawn Rodgers to the Pats for Bradey? Nawwww, they wouldnt go for it. Perhaps the entire loins team and the next 10 years of #1 draft picks for Bradey?
Bradey could play all the offense and all the defence and still be better than the loins!!!

:lol: Brady is a STUD!! I LOVE New England now. 4th and 1 and they go for it,, up by 35 or 42,,,LMAO. I love how humble they "try" to be during the post game interviews.:lol: Oh,, about the loins,, it doesn't matter, give 'em every pick in the whole draft,, they still will barely make the playoffs.

[DaveW731]

Definitely a tough one to watch. I think this validates the Lions as pretenders and not contenders!

I agree that the Lions are not a legit playoff team, but they may have improved from a laughing stock to a legitimate (i.e., .500-.600) pro team. Still a long ways to go before they can seriously contend with the best half dozen or so teams in the league on a regular basis.

[William H Bonney]

,,,,but they may have improved from a laughing stock to a legitimate (i.e., .500-.600) pro team. ... .

:tdo12: no wait,,,, make that a :SHOCKED:

[Munsterlndr]

Absolutely right about that horrid O-line. Backus with another blunder, false start on Kitna's hard count on the last drive.:mad:

I thought every expert said that CJ is the best receiver to come into the NFL since Randy Moss? Wouldn't that make him better than a #3, or #4? Are the Lions really that bad at everything including drafting, or are they just ruining the talent they bring in?

Number #3 or #4 in the lions offense. Which number receiver he is is determined by the coach's not his numbers, it determines how many plays are designed with him involved. For a rookie he is having a good year. The Martz playbook is very complex and it's a lot to expect for a rookie to step in and learn all of it right away. They are limiting his playing time by limiting the number of plays that are designed that have him on the field. For example, the throw to Macdonald in the end zone that was picked, CJ was on the sidelines. He is only in when they run a 3 or 4 receiver set. If he was the number one or number two receiver he would have to memorize about twice as many plays, which would be a big load for a rookie. This is Roy & Furreys second year in a Martz offense and so they are better equipped to be involved in a wider variety of plays. When they do throw the ball to CJ he is a beast. But they can't put him in on every play and just throw the ball his direction because it would take at least half of the play book off of the table and allow defenses to key in that much more.

[William H Bonney]

Number #3 or #4 in the lions offense. Which number receiver he is is determined by the coach's not his numbers, it determines how many plays are designed with him involved. For a rookie he is having a good year. The Martz playbook is very complex and it's a lot to expect for a rookie to step in and learn all of it right away. They are limiting his playing time by limiting the number of plays that are designed that have him on the field. For example, the throw to Macdonald in the end zone that was picked, CJ was on the sidelines. He is only in when they run a 3 or 4 receiver set. If he was the number one or number two receiver he would have to memorize about twice as many plays, which would be a big load for a rookie. This is Roy & Furreys second year in a Martz offense and so they are better equipped to be involved in a wider variety of plays. When they do throw the ball to CJ he is a beast. But they can't put him in on every play and just throw the ball his direction because it would take at least half of the play book off of the table and allow defenses to key in that much more.

:confused:
WR is one of the easiest positions for a rookie to come in and play,, ANY ROOKIE. And down by 6 with a minute to go,, I'm pretty sure they had a 3 or 4 WR set in. It's not that hard to run down the field and look for the ball. If he doesn't know all the plays,,,, he doesn't belong in the NFL,, even on the loins.:rolleyes:

[MEL]

:confused:
WR is one of the easiest positions for a rookie to come in and play,, ANY ROOKIE. And down by 6 with a minute to go,, I'm pretty sure they had a 3 or 4 WR set in. It's not that hard to run down the field and look for the ball. If he doesn't know all the plays,,,, he doesn't belong in the NFL,, even on the loins.:rolleyes:

When you have a supposed stud WR like CJ is supposed to be, you find ways to get him the ball!!! Put the ball in the hands of your playmakers.
That was game 10 of the year. By this time any player with 1/2 a brain should know the playbook. I keep hearing about these two stud WR's, CJ and Williams...use them both and make the defence have to double team one of them!!! CJ is double teamed? Williams will be more likely to be open. And vise versa.

As far as this team being better or "turning the corner". I think that the level of competition in the NFC has dropped!!! Or, if they played in the AFC
they would be 3-7 or 4-6. So perhaps the level of competition is just worse than the loins are better!!!! This we should see in the next few weeks.
Two games vs Favre and one vs Romo, and 3 games vs fringe teams. So if they have improved, go out and kick some butt and make the playoffs.
Or they can be happy with a 7-9 or 8-8 record even tho the teams that they've been beating are pretty bad. Matter of fact the teams theyve beaten are a combined 24-35, pretty bad. While the teams theyve lost to are 22-18, pretty average, not exactly "good" teams by any means.
Just be glad they dont play in the AFC and have to play the Colts or Pats or Steeliers 2 times a year.

Thanksgiving day game: Brett Favre will carve and the Turkey will be in
Blue and Silver!!!

[William H Bonney]

Looking at their schedule,, they have GB, Minn., Dallas, SD, KC and GB in that order. The last game is a win, no problem the Pack will be resting for the playoffs. KC will have mailed it in by then, they blow. Minnesota is terrible. There's 3 more wins right there. If Dallas wins their next 2 games,, I doubt their heart will be in the loins game either. SD and the game on Thurs. will really only be the tough games left. Problem is,, I think they lose any tie-breaker with Wash., Philly, and AZ because they lost to them.

[Salmonous Maximus]

Looking at their schedule,, they have GB, Minn., Dallas, SD, KC and GB in that order. The last game is a win, no problem the Pack will be resting for the playoffs. KC will have mailed it in by then, they blow. Minnesota is terrible. There's 3 more wins right there. If Dallas wins their next 2 games,, I doubt their heart will be in the loins game either. SD and the game on Thurs. will really only be the tough games left. Problem is,, I think they lose any tie-breaker with Wash., Philly, and AZ because they lost to them.

Your kidding right? I don't care if GB runs out their practice squad on the last game of the year. That, my friend, is a loss. The Lions haven't won there in almost 20 years! Dallas will bomb the Leo's out of Ford field, SD will destroy the Lions. The only possible wins are GB at home, minn, and KC. And you know they will blow at least one of those, so I say 8-8 = disgrace.

[Munsterlndr]

:confused:
WR is one of the easiest positions for a rookie to come in and play,, ANY ROOKIE. And down by 6 with a minute to go,, I'm pretty sure they had a 3 or 4 WR set in. It's not that hard to run down the field and look for the ball. If he doesn't know all the plays,,,, he doesn't belong in the NFL,, even on the loins.:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

"It's not that hard to run down the field and look for the ball."

Um, do you think this is flag football where the QB just says to the receiver "just go long and hook to the outside and I'll heave it too ya."

You do realize that the receivers are running timing routes and that Kitna throws the ball way before they get to where the catch is going to be made?

They have to memorize 40 or 50 basic plays and a couple of hundred variations that get called by Kitna after he reads the defense at the line. If the QB and the Receiver are not exactly on the same page as to where the ball is going to be thrown you are going to get picked off. Many if not most of the picks last year were because the receivers were unfamiliar with the routes and ended up at the wrong place when the ball arrived.

In a pass oriented offense, wide receiver, with the exception of QB is probably the hardest position on either side of the ball for a Rookie to play. Some Rookies, like BMW are simply incapable of learning a complex offense and that is one of the reasons that he failed. CJ, on the other hand, is coming along very well for a Rookie and by next year will be well versed in this offense.

If it's so easy to run an offense why don't you call up William Clay and tell him your ready to replace Martz as OC. I can hear it now. "Mr. Ford, I've got a great offensive scheme. We're gonna run two plays and nobody has to memorize anything. If it's a run I'm gonna hand the ball to the RB and tell him RUN! If it's a pass I'm gonna have the QB heave the ball down the field and just tell the receivers to look for it. It will be flawless!"

Yeah. Sure. Right.
Here's to you, a real man of genius! :rolleyes:

[Munsterlndr]

Your kidding right? I don't care if GB runs out their practice squad on the last game of the year. That, my friend, is a loss. The Lions haven't won there in almost 20 years! Dallas will bomb the Leo's out of Ford field, SD will destroy the Lions. The only possible wins are GB at home, minn, and KC. And you know they will blow at least one of those, so I say 8-8 = disgrace.

Not sure about SD, they are having a pretty crappy year. I agree we will get slaughtered at Lambeau in December in what might be Favres last regular season home game. Dallas will likely win, although Detroit surprisingly beat them last year.

I don't see 8-8 as a disgrace. Disappointing but it's a heck of a lot better than 3-13 and nobody really expected them to make the playoffs this year.

[William H Bonney]

:rolleyes:

"It's not that hard to run down the field and look for the ball."

Um, do you think this is flag football where the QB just says to the receiver "just go long and hook to the outside and I'll heave it too ya."

You do realize that the receivers are running timing routes and that Kitna throws the ball way before they get to where the catch is going to be made?

They have to memorize 40 or 50 basic plays and a couple of hundred variations that get called by Kitna after he reads the defense at the line. If the QB and the Receiver are not exactly on the same page as to where the ball is going to be thrown you are going to get picked off. Many if not most of the picks last year were because the receivers were unfamiliar with the routes and ended up at the wrong place when the ball arrived.

In a pass oriented offense, wide receiver, with the exception of QB is probably the hardest position on either side of the ball for a Rookie to play. Some Rookies, like BMW are simply incapable of learning a complex offense and that is one of the reasons that he failed. CJ, on the other hand, is coming along very well for a Rookie and by next year will be well versed in this offense.

If it's so easy to run an offense why don't you call up William Clay and tell him your ready to replace Martz as OC. I can hear it now. "Mr. Ford, I've got a great offensive scheme. We're gonna run two plays and nobody has to memorize anything. If it's a run I'm gonna hand the ball to the RB and tell him RUN! If it's a pass I'm gonna have the QB heave the ball down the field and just tell the receivers to look for it. It will be flawless!"

Yeah. Sure. Right.
Here's to you, a real man of genius! :rolleyes:

So you're telling me that,,, less than a minute to go and you're down by 6 and that last jump ball was a "timing play"?? :dizzy:


WR being the hardest position to play:confused: Dude,, are you insane? Ask ANY COACH,, ANY PLAYER,,, it's THE EASIEST!!

I don't think I can participate in this debate anymore,, I was under the impression that you had some sort of clue what "football" was. :lol:

[Salmonous Maximus]

I don't see 8-8 as a disgrace. Disappointing but it's a heck of a lot better than 3-13 and nobody really expected them to make the playoffs this year.

But after starting 6-2, 8-8 is disgraceful.

But what is really sad is the direction this team is headed in the long run. Martz will be gone very soon to a head coaching position, with any Lion offensive success. Kitna has a few years left, then who is QB? Kevin Jones is OK, but without an O-line......yikes. The Lions will probably lose Roy Williams to free agency, or if they pay him they won't have enough to pay CJ big money. The Defensive line is highly overrated, with it's star player being an out of shape part-timer. (S. Rogers) The defensive backfield is less than stellar, and the only LB worth a damn is Sims. I just don't see the pieces falling into place for a good future. And Matt Millen will probably get a 10 year extension if this team goes 8-8.:dizzy:

[Munsterlndr]

So you're telling me that,,, less than a minute to go and you're down by 6 and that last jump ball was a "timing play"?? :dizzy:


WR being the hardest position to play:confused: Dude,, are you insane? Ask ANY COACH,, ANY PLAYER,,, it's THE EASIEST!!

I don't think I can participate in this debate anymore,, I was under the impression that you had some sort of clue what "football" was. :lol:

What do you think it was, a hail mary? Yeah it was a timing route. Macdonald was where he was supposed to be and Kitna underthrew him. If the ball had been thrown another ten feet and a little higher it would have been a TD.

It was not under a minute, by the way. There was 2:04 to go, the Lions still had all 3 timeouts, it was 2nd down, they were within Lions territory and only down by 1 TD. Hardly the time to panic and just throw the ball up there and tell the receivers to "look" for it. :rolleyes:

I highly doubt you'll be able to stop participating in the debate, "dude". I do look forward to more of your pearls of wisdom, though, like suggesting the receivers just "look" for the ball. :lol:

Hail Mary. Yeah, right Bill. Whatever you say.

[William H Bonney]

What do you think it was, a hail mary? Yeah it was a timing route. Macdonald was where he was supposed to be and Kitna underthrew him. If the ball had been thrown another ten feet and a little higher it would have been a TD. ,,,,,,,,,,

.

And according to you,,, Johnson doesn't know that route:dizzy:,,,:lol:

Put that crack pipe down,,,,, dude.:lol:

And it was panic time for the loins.

[Munsterlndr]

But after starting 6-2, 8-8 is disgraceful.

But what is really sad is the direction this team is headed in the long run. Martz will be gone very soon to a head coaching position, with any Lion offensive success. Kitna has a few years left, then who is QB? Kevin Jones is OK, but without an O-line......yikes. The Lions will probably lose Roy Williams to free agency, or if they pay him they won't have enough to pay CJ big money. The Defensive line is highly overrated, with it's star player being an out of shape part-timer. (S. Rogers) The defensive backfield is less than stellar, and the only LB worth a damn is Sims. I just don't see the pieces falling into place for a good future. And Matt Millen will probably get a 10 year extension if this team goes 8-8.:dizzy:

I don't see Martz getting any head coaching jobs if the Lions go 8-8. If Kitna can last another year or two, We'll see if Stanton can fill his shoes. I have my doubts and did not like the Stanton pick but it may work out. I think Jones and Duckett can both be productive backs but Martz is not utilizing them properly. He needs to use TJ in short yardage situations and get KJ running outside the hash marks instead of up the middle. I think Roy will stay if they pay him the money and CJ is locked into a contract for 4 more years. The D-line could be a lot better. I rally like how White has been playing he should be healthy soon if his hand heals. I also like how Moore has been coming along, I think next year he may be a starter. 5-O may be ready for prime time next year, too. Cory Redding has been the biggest disappointment after getting such a big contract. They still have potential. The secondary is actually playing better than I expected them too this year. Bryant has been pretty solid and Sims will continue to get better. Alexander shows some promise for a rookie. They need to concentrate on the O-line in the draft. If Kitna had enough time to find his receivers this could be a really potent offense. Put Brady behind the Detroit O-line and he would not be the Golden Boy that everybody says he is. The Lions have made a lot of progress over last year. I think they will continue to improve if they can control injuries and if Martz will get back to more balanced play calling.

[Munsterlndr]

And according to you,,, Johnson doesn't know that route:dizzy:,,,:lol:

Put that crack pipe down,,,,, dude.:lol:

And it was panic time for the loins.

Earth to Bonney. CJ was not in the game, he was on the bench. It was a 3 receiver set and he is the least experienced receiver. There is more too it than one specific route. An out pattern can be changed into 3 or 4 different routes depending on how the defense matches up. If both the QB and the receiver don't make the same read on the defense they are not going to be on the same page. That is why the experienced guys get more playing time because they are better at reading the defense and knowing how the basic route is going to be changed.

Martz does not allow Kitna to audible. He has to run the play that is called. How the defense matches up determines hot the play is modified at the line.

Now you can criticize Martz for calling the play and I'd agree with that criticism but it's not Kitna's or MacDonald's or CJ's fault.

And it was not panic time and it was not a Hail Mary pass no matter how much you want to believe it.

You do realize that there was another Lions series after that pick in the end zone, right? They got the ball back with 1:25 after the Lions defense held the Giants to a 3 and out. The game ending pick was a pass to Macdonald over the middle in Giants territory. And yes, that was also a timing route and Kitna threw the ball too high for Macdonald to handle.

Keep the penetrating observations coming, though, they are good for a laugh.

[William H Bonney]

This is getting comical now.


Alright,, I'll give ya another 63 seconds on that pick in the endzone. Hell,,,, I'll even give ya that play call,, even though I don't agree. With that said,,, are trying to say that Kitna and the loins were thinkin',,, "no biggie,, we'll get the ball back,, we'll have another shot" :confused:
There's no way in hell they thought they were getting the ball back. Usually when it comes down to probably your last possession,, that equals "panic-time". And don't for a second try to tell me that Johnson only knows half the playbook,, if that's true the loins are in far worse shape than anyone realizes.

[Munsterlndr]

This is getting comical now.


Alright,, I'll give ya another 63 seconds on that pick in the endzone. Hell,,,, I'll even give ya that play call,, even though I don't agree. With that said,,, are trying to say that Kitna and the loins were thinkin',,, "no biggie,, we'll get the ball back,, we'll have another shot" :confused:
There's no way in hell they thought they were getting the ball back. Usually when it comes down to probably your last possession,, that equals "panic-time". And don't for a second try to tell me that Johnson only knows half the playbook,, if that's true the loins are in far worse shape than anyone realizes.

2:04 to go, 2nd down, inside mid-field, 3 timeouts and only down by one TD. In the NFL that is certainly not a panic situation. There would be absolutely no reason to throw a "Hail Mary, jump ball, desperation throw. Give Favre that kind of situation and he is probably good for two TD's. Most teams would be more worried about using up the bulk of that two minutes in a scoring drive so as not to leave too much time on the clock. That was a designed, timed route. Macdonald ran the route correctly but the defender had position on him and Macdonald did not get adequate separation. Kitna should have seen that the separation was not there and checked down to his next receiver. Instead he forced the ball and got picked.

I never said Johnson only knows half the playbook. What I said is that as the #4 receiver probably less than half of the passing plays are designed to involve him. That is why he is not on the field more. If you only ran plays that were designed to get the ball to CJ you would be taking half or more of your passing plays off of the table. The strength of the Martz offense is that there are so many variables that it makes it very difficult for the defense to read the play and anticipate where the ball is going. By taking half the playbook off the table you would be needlessly handicapping yourself and make it easier for the defense to correctly read the play.

By next year CJ will have greater experience reading the defense and the routes and all of the variations will become second nature. Then he will move up to #1 or #2 receiver and will get a lot more playing time. In a complex offense, though, it's almost impossible for a rookie to master all of the plays and putting him in a situation where he blows routes frequently will do nothing to develop him as a pro-bowl caliber receiver. It would be analogous to taking a rookie QB and starting him the first game of the year. There is an off chance that he may succeed by it's much more likely to ruin him and throw away a lot of his potential.

[toto]

Sundays game was bad, I can't believe they reverted to the same ole lions from the past few years. But hey, did you really expect a super bowl this year? The chances of making the playoffs is still pretty good, but they do have some good teams to play yet. But all in all, they are still improved over the last few years. At least they are in most of their games. They should have won this one, but they didn't and the way they lost it shows they still have work to do.

[SR-Mechead]

With the money that CJ signed for I would only hope that he knows the routes to run. I don't think anyone paniced but I do think that its time to take a hard look at Kitna when the lions have to move the ball. With the offence that they have they should have scored a lot more points than they have been putting up. The Lions have won 6 games but Kitna s still a second string QB. One more lose and I would be checking someone else out.
Bob

[MEL]

With the money that CJ signed for I would only hope that he knows the routes to run. I don't think anyone paniced but I do think that its time to take a hard look at Kitna when the lions have to move the ball. With the offence that they have they should have scored a lot more points than they have been putting up. The Lions have won 6 games but Kitna s still a second string QB. One more lose and I would be checking someone else out.
Bob

I think your stuck with Kitna for a year or two more. To hear Marenilli and Martz talk about him, you would think he's the second comming of Favre or Bradey:lol: Besides for this season, who ya gonna bring in to learn that supposedly complicated Martz offence? Surley your not thinking O'Sullivan
or Orlovski:confused:

[Munsterlndr]

With the money that CJ signed for I would only hope that he knows the routes to run. I don't think anyone paniced but I do think that its time to take a hard look at Kitna when the lions have to move the ball. With the offence that they have they should have scored a lot more points than they have been putting up. The Lions have won 6 games but Kitna s still a second string QB. One more lose and I would be checking someone else out.
Bob

Who do you suggest they put in, O'sullivan?

Love him or hate him, Kitna is the guy for the rest of this year, anyway. More blame goes to the line in the last couple of games than to Kitna. At least Scott will be back this week so Foster won't have a chance to make any more false starts.

FYI, Kitna is the 8th ranked QB in the NFL. He is behind Brady, Roethlesberger, Romo, Garrard, Favre, Garcia & Hasselback. Not bad company when you think about it. For what it's worth Peyton Manning is ranked 16th and has thrown just as many pick's as Kitna has in an offense that throws far fewer passes.

Put Brady behind the Lions O-line and he would not have a QB rating of 134. Put Kitna behind the Patriots O-line and I'd bet he would be ranked in the top 3-4.

[tubejig]

Brady, is dam good, o line or not, he runs a 10 win team. You guys can blame Kitna all you want but I have yet to see a draft pick burned on a tackle, guard, or center for that matter. How long has it been?? 7-9 at best.

[SR-Mechead]

Who do you suggest they put in, O'sullivan?

Love him or hate him, Kitna is the guy for the rest of this year, anyway. More blame goes to the line in the last couple of games than to Kitna. At least Scott will be back this week so Foster won't have a chance to make any more false starts.

FYI, Kitna is the 8th ranked QB in the NFL. He is behind Brady, Roethlesberger, Romo, Garrard, Favre, Garcia & Hasselback. Not bad company when you think about it. For what it's worth Peyton Manning is ranked 16th and has thrown just as many pick's as Kitna has in an offense that throws far fewer passes.

Put Brady behind the Lions O-line and he would not have a QB rating of 134. Put Kitna behind the Patriots O-line and I'd bet he would be ranked in the top 3-4.

With the receivers the lions have got Harrington would good. Thats BS that he don't have the time. Lets see a receiver runs the 40 in 4.3 seconds and Kitna can't throw the ball that far. How much time does he need. Yes the O line has made mistakes but Kitna has to look at the hole field and not just one person,and that my friend is the differents between him and the rest of the QB 's that you named above. Someone mentioned Orlovski above. He's a big strong kid with a rifle for and arm. He looks like a young Farve,but he must have craped in someones hat because you don't here to much about him .When was he drafted 3 years ago.
Bob

[MEL]

Brady, is dam good, o line or not, he runs a 10 win team. You guys can blame Kitna all you want but I have yet to see a draft pick burned on a tackle, guard, or center for that matter. How long has it been?? 7-9 at best.


Jeff Backus, '01.

Real proublem with loins is 100% pure mis management. Case in point.
'02 #1 Pick Joey H. (well on his way out of pro ball)
03" #1 pick Chucky Rogers ( out of pro ball)
05 #1 pick Mike Williams (out of pro ball)

Or from '03 to 07 4 #1 picks have been used ONLY for WR's. 4 #1 picks!!!
Half of them are out of the NFL. You cant improve a team using #1's on players who dont work out, #3 and 4 picks you take a chance on but the loins have had top 10 #1's and have waisted them. Im sure Joey will either be out of pro ball next year or be someones 3rd stringer.
In 01 your #1 was Jeff Backus. I would think that he wouldnt start for the majority of teams in the NFL. A "servicable" player, but not really starting quality.
Cant improve a team when its mismanaged (Ford and Millen)

[Munsterlndr]

Jeff Backus, '01.

Real proublem with loins is 100% pure mis management. Case in point.
'02 #1 Pick Joey H. (well on his way out of pro ball)
03" #1 pick Chucky Rogers ( out of pro ball)
05 #1 pick Mike Williams (out of pro ball)

Or from '03 to 07 4 #1 picks have been used ONLY for WR's. 4 #1 picks!!!
Half of them are out of the NFL. You cant improve a team using #1's on players who dont work out, #3 and 4 picks you take a chance on but the loins have had top 10 #1's and have waisted them. Im sure Joey will either be out of pro ball next year or be someones 3rd stringer.
In 01 your #1 was Jeff Backus. I would think that he wouldnt start for the majority of teams in the NFL. A "servicable" player, but not really starting quality.
Cant improve a team when its mismanaged (Ford and Millen)

I don't disagree with your comments about mismanagement. CRog might have turned out differently if he had not been injured for the first two years of his career, he was pretty darn good in college. In 06 we picked Sims (linebacker) with our first round pick and that was a good pick given who was on the board at the time. Even though he is another WR I like the CJ pick this year, too. He is going to be a superstar in a couple of years. I did not like the Stanton pick, that should have gone for another defensive back or an O-lineman. I have more faith in Marinelli and Martz making reasonably good picks than I do in Millen, that's for sure.

[greelhappy]

It is so simple. Coaches watch film 24 hours a day. Watch New England films. Do what they do. Problem solved.:lol:

[Salmonous Maximus]

Being the day of yet another Lion debacle, I just thought of something. This thread could go on till the end of time with it's title of, "Man, that one made me sick!" The Lions always make their fans sick, I just don't wanna blow chunks of Turkey today! Go LIONS!

[Salmonous Maximus]

I just don't wanna blow chunks of Turkey today! Go LIONS!

Good thing the bird's not done yet.

[SR-Mechead]

It is so simple. Coaches watch film 24 hours a day. Watch New England films. Do what they do. Problem solved.:lol:

Let me see Brady- Kitna Kitna - Brady
Films are not going to do much.

[MEL]

Thanksgiving day game: Brett Favre will carve and the Turkey will be in
Blue and Silver!!!


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