What Kind Of Jerk Wont Let An 11 Year Old Kid Retrieve His First Deer

[Pigpen69]

Sorry but i gotta vent for a few. My 11 yr old son has been busting his butt all summer to get his shooting form in shape. I bought him som g5 s and cut his arrows down and hes on. He goes out tonight and has a nice little spike come in, he remains patient and gets his chance to draw. he takes the shot and hits a twig and deflects under his belly no harm no foul.. not discouraged in the least, he lets out a couple grunts and a big 16" 6 point charges in right straight at his tree. hes obviously shakin like the dickens, the deer starts walking away and stops, he draws and hits the trigger on his release and put one right thru the sweet spot. deer kicks and runs 20-25 yards into the adjoinging property. they (he and his uncle) wait it out, then go to check the shot, find his arrow covered in blood, they follow the trail to the line, put down tape to mark the blood, they turn to go back to the house to ask the neighbor permission to track, when he comes walking up, reaking of booze and says if ya got a deer in there ya might as well turn around because your not going onto my property, and i dont give 2 *****s if ya got 50 deer over there. when my boy called me to tell me i had to leave ponderosa because i was freaking out as he told me this story. what kind of jerk wont let a kid retrieve his first ever deer. i want to go kick his teeth in but that wouldnt prove anything, especially to my son. i feel just sick for the boy as he worked his tail off and this jack ass had to ruin one of the best moments in his life. What a jerk. thanks for letting me vent. 16" 6 point , that woulda been a beauty..

[srconnell22]

Im sure you could get the DNR to go in there with you...especially if you know its only 25 yards on the other side of the property line?

[pporonto]

I'd go get that deer at about 2am in the morning. that guy will be sleeping it off. I know this is illegal, but so is going 10 over the speed limit... kid deserves to get that first deer... just my two cents... what a jerk off

[bigcountrysg]

That sucks and I am sorry for your son. Unfortunately there is not much you can do. It is his property and if he told you that you can not enter to retrieve the deer that is his choice.

I can only speculate that he is going to try and find the deer and keep it as his own. I hope the jerk won't do that though. But those type of people are out there.

[Blueracer]

Has the age changed? I've had no reason to check. I couldn't start bow hunting until I was 12 by MI law though. Hope it gets recovered.

[bigcountrysg]

Has the age changed? I've had no reason to check. I couldn't start bow hunting until I was 12 by MI law though.

Apprenticeship program allows for his son to be hunting with a legal gaurdian or designee.

[Q2XL]

I'd be on the horn with the DNR as soon as possible. A law enforcement officer might help him to not be such an a-hole.

[mikieday]

that is too bad....sorry to hear that

the guy is probly growing dope and doesnt want you to find it...or the law..hmmm

[kumma]

Was there any attempt to get permission to retrieve before hunting? 20 yards from the property line is pretty close. I would have sought permission before I hunted under that circumstance. Too bad he lost the deer, sounds like he shouldn't have a problem tagging another one.

[Slice]

Maybe you will have better luck after the booze wheres off. You may want to try again tomorrow and hopefully maybe his wife will answer and be more understanding.

[Sam22]

We've all heard of "shoot shovel and shut up".... well, sorta like that, but run grab drag, and leave that detail out of the story, might even want to go back and delete this thread.

[bentduck]

About 15 years ago, I shot a nice buck and blood trailed it to the neighboring property which happened to be a huge corn field (or so I thought). Anyhow, I called the owner on the phone to get permission and he told me in no uncertain terms to stay OFF his property. He said he would look for it the next day but I was not allowed on his land.

Since his property was heavily posted and I did not want to break the law, I did not pursue the deer and called him the next day but he never answered the phone. I was sick to my stomach about losing such a nice buck which I guessed was a 16"-18" 8- point.

Believe it or not, a few weeks later, there was a big news story about that very farm where my deer ended up. Turned out the "cornfield" was nothing more than cover for this guys marijuana crop:dizzy: I could not frickin' believe it. Of all the things that can go wrong on a deer hunt, who would have thunk' I would get tripped up by hunting next to Cheech & Chong! I can laugh about it now, but at the time I was just sick about it.

Maybe your sons deer ended up in somebody's cash crop too... I can't imagine any other reason for not letting you retrieve a deer. I am sorry to hear about this situation. Some people are just morons.

[Tru-N-Sea]

Man that sux. Like Slice said, try again tomorrow and hopefully things will work out. Maybe offer some steaks for his trouble.

Captn---

[Ninja]

Apprenticeship program allows for his son to be hunting with a legal gaurdian or designee.

Has nothing to do with the Apprentice License. Totally diiferent law.

The law was changed last year to allow 10 year olds to archery hunt.

[madmike22]

I thought by law that he had to allow you to get your deer. We use to have 120 acres right next to a retired dnr officer and had a deer or 2 run over on his property and everytime we called the dnr and they would accompany us to retrieve our deer.

[bigcountrysg]

Has nothing to do with the Apprentice License. Totally diiferent law.

The law was changed last year to allow 10 year olds to archery hunt.

Ok I thought it was from the apprentice program. My bad I was wrong. I did not even know that they changed the law.

[Ninja]

I thought by law that he had to allow you to get your deer. We use to have 120 acres right next to a retired dnr officer and had a deer or 2 run over on his property and everytime we called the dnr and they would accompany us to retrieve our deer.


Not allowed by Law, however, CO's can usually be pretty persuasive in getting a landowner to grant permission for recovering a deer.

With that being said, I agree with a few other poster's in saying that shooting a deer 20yds. from the property line without prior neighbor approval to retrieve is perhaps a little short-sighted.

[Frantz]

I would go there first thing in the morning, by that I mean like 10:00 or later to not interrupt him sleeping it off.

Whatever you do, do not listen to the fools who tell or suggest to you that you should break the law and just go into his property to retrieve.

Myself, I would have accompanied you and made you wait till I could find the digital cam.

[Big Frank 25]

:yeahthat:

This has been addressed before, could not find the thread.

It's illegal for him to tag or keep the deer since he did not shoot it.

[boehr]

It is appalling that a person would refuse anyone that legally shot a deer that ran onto the property, especially if it is only 25 yards in, and even more so to an 11 year-old. I do commend the youngster and the uncle for trying to obey the law and the property rights of another. This way is teaching the youngster right from wrong and I’m sure will be to the youngster’s advantage as he gets older with not only hunting but with life.

I also find it equally appalling at some of the few suggestions provided in this thread. Seems that some want people to obey the law only when it is to their advantage and not obey the law when it doesn’t work for them. Fortunately, like poachers, it only seems to be a very few.

[William H Bonney]

I would go there first thing in the morning, by that I mean like 10:00 or later to not interrupt him sleeping it off.

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Good idea,,, make sure you go back "before lunch".:lol:

For me personally,,,, that deer would already be in the barn. How does that ol' saying go? Something about begging for forgiveness,,,,,,:evil:

[swmfdotcom]

I would just find a big fat smelly hooker to go knock on his door and keep him busy while you do your tracking,he wont be thinking about the deer no more with fatty sitting next to him.:lol::dizzy::yikes:

[pporonto]

It is appalling that a person would refuse anyone that legally shot a deer that ran onto the property, especially if it is only 25 yards in, and even more so to an 11 year-old. I do commend the youngster and the uncle for trying to obey the law and the property rights of another. This way is teaching the youngster right from wrong and I’m sure will be to the youngster’s advantage as he gets older with not only hunting but with life.

I also find it equally appalling at some of the few suggestions provided in this thread. Seems that some want people to obey the law only when it is to their advantage and not obey the law when it doesn’t work for them. Fortunately, like poachers, it only seems to be a very few.

I have had some time to think over my answer, and as usual Boehr you are right. There is no excuse for breaking the law and I apologize. I am just upset that this kid is being screwed. My answer goes back to my youth and the way I grew up. here is my pic from my cell block C graduation.
http://www.michigan-sportsman.com/photopost/data/500/prisoner.jpg

Remember Kids, don't listen to a fool like me... obey the law!!!!

[Pigpen69]

I would just find a big fat smelly hooker to go knock on his door and keep him busy while you do your tracking,he wont be thinking about the deer no more with fatty sitting next to him.:lol::dizzy::yikes:

:lol::D thanks for everyones support, we are going to go back out this am and try to talk to the guy again. For the record, i wouldnt have set his stand that close to the neighbors line either. im still praying the guy has a little compassion. ill keep ya updated.

[PahtridgeHunter]

Good luck this morning, Pigpen! It's downright reprehensible the way this guy is acting. When you're talking to him, try to appeal to him in some way that will soften him up a bit. Good luck! I hope this turns into a good memory for your son!!!:coolgleam

[Michihunter]

Offer him a bottle!!;)

[Pigpen69]

Now im even more pissed, i talked to my son a few minutes ago, and he said they could see the damn deer laying on the ground from the fenceline....i gotta calm down for a few or i might have to kick someones teeth in.......:rant::rant::rant::rant:

[Michigander1]

Now im even more pissed, i talked to my son a few minutes ago, and he said they could see the damn deer laying on the ground from the fenceline....i gotta calm down for a few or i might have to kick someones teeth in.......:rant::rant::rant::rant:Tell ya what .I would just go get it.Call the DNR ASAP 1st and see if they will help ya 1st.Mich

[M1Garand]

Now im even more pissed, i talked to my son a few minutes ago, and he said they could see the damn deer laying on the ground from the fenceline....i gotta calm down for a few or i might have to kick someones teeth in.......:rant::rant::rant::rant:

Don't do anything that you yourself gets in trouble...as upsetting as it may be. Contact your local CO or LEO ASAP. While they cannot make him let you on his property, maybe they can act as a liason and maybe persuade him to let you retrieve it.

[cmk86]

That sucks! I'm taking my 11yr old out today for the first time deer hunting. If something like that happened to us I'd be pretty pissed also. We did already gain permission to enter the neighboring property to recover game if needed.

[8nchuck]

CAll the DNR NOW!!!. I am sure there was a post about this subject last year and the guy got the deer with the DNR's help. I don't remember the exact circumstances but DNR went and got the deer and then told the guy when he asked about dragging it to gut it. "I always gut them where it lays" Does anyone remember this??? It does stick out in my mind.

Boehr can answer this but doesn't have something to do with" deer belonging to the state" and wanton waste?

As far as tresspassing - if the guy is that much of a jerk you might wind up with a bullet in your back - STUPID - DON'T DO IT!!!

[Michigander1]

What if his land is not posted?Mich

[wyldkat49766]

I agree with calling the DNR or even the local Law Enforcement officer. I would think that a sheriff would be enough also to let you get it. Especially since you can see it from your property.

[ERnurse]

I too would see if the DNR or local law enforcement has any input. But you can also offer the guy half of the meat and for him to accompany you to the area so he can see where you are going on his property, once he sees it laying there from the fence line how can he refuse? He might just not want people traipsing all over his property "looking" for a deer.

good luck

[boehr]

Boehr can answer this but doesn't have something to do with" deer belonging to the state" and wanton waste?No it has nothing to do with it. It is still they guy's property, that is the bottom line.

I hope this doesn't turn into a screw the DNR or CO or local LEO if they won't help. I have throughout the years tried to help in very simular circumstances been both successful and unsuccessful but I have more times said there was nothing I can do. CO's can not take the time to help everyone that this happens too. It happenes why too much. I have been successful in obtaining the deer provided it did not go to the shooter too. Of course in that case the deer went to Sportsmen Against Hunger.

As for the rest, my first post in this thread still states my feelings though.

[bentduck]

I would think this issue might be worthy of legislative review. I could see a scenario where legislation was introduced that would aid hunters in this situation. There would have to be strict criteria / guidelines that would have to be met and adhered too but the law could be written in a way to give hunters a legal chance at recovery. Laws that possibly need reform can be shaped in different ways to help in situations like this. For example, the law currently allows police officers the right to enter dwellings without a search warrant if involved in a "hot pursuit" .... (The question then becomes... what defines "hot pursuit". Now, this may not a great example but an example none the less:D)

I would think legislation that would help allow for the recovery of an animal would have overwhelming public support and could possibly be supported by private landowners as well if written in a way that protects there rights. I would think it is worthy of more discussion and legislative review. Can one of the Moderators save this thread so it can be used to seek legislative support?

[SPITFIRE]

I feel for ya pigpen, If that happened to my sons first deer it would aggrevate me to no end and what a let down to your son. That guy is such a loser what comes around goes around, I hope when you talk to him again he changes his mind. Who knows maybe hes mad cause he has a penil disfunction or something.

[Cain]

I bet a case of beer for the drunk would have done the trick!

[M1Garand]

I would think this issue might be worthy of legislative review. I could see a scenario where legislation was introduced that would aid hunters in this situation. There would have to be strict criteria / guidelines that would have to be met and adhered too but the law could be written in a way to give hunters a legal chance at recovery. Laws that possibly need reform can be shaped in different ways to help in situations like this. For example, the law currently allows police officers the right to enter dwellings without a search warrant if involved in a "hot pursuit" .... (The question then becomes... what defines "hot pursuit". Now, this may not a great example but an example none the less:D)



There's a difference between an officer chasing someone and a deer on someone elses property. And all the other search warrant exceptions have legal basis and case law to support them. As bad as this sucks, it is a deer on someone elses property. It will never be seen by legislature simply because citizens have property rights....even the a##holes. Look at it from a different POV. Say you live next to the biggest flaming a##hole of all time. Would you want him tromping on your property any time he wants? Confront him and he'll just say, "I was just looking for a deer". In North Carolina they don't have the trespassing laws we do and can retrieve a hunting dog on another's property, just like we can, with one difference: They can still have a firearm when doing so. The problem they are having is people are hunting on others property and using it as a loophole when caught. We don't need to open that can of worms here.

[casscityalum]

Buy him a 30 pack and call it good, go up to his door and say hey I got a cold 30 pack of PBR, I mean if hes the boozer you say he is, who could refuse a cold pack of Pabst Blue Ribbon and its yours if you let us go get our deer!

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[Mitchell Ulrich]

B) 5th of Jack
C) DNR
D) Does he have kids or relatives you can talk to? Maybe they will go back there for you and drag it to the fence line.
E) Ever throw a lasso? If so how far? Probably not letter of the law but your not stepping foot on his land.
F) Is there a plowed field on your side of the fence? Now may be an advantageous time for fertilizing that plot with pig dung!
OR
G) tell your boy that you tried. Its not fair. Its not right. But life is not always fair or right. Nature has a way of hiding her life's' secrets in little examples like this. The trick is to see them when they are revealed and learn from them. Remember, your son is learning what to do from you right now, as will his friends when they see his actions.

Mitch

[fairfax1]

It's a tough break for the kid. But, as Boehr posted, it can be a great lesson in respect for laws and for property rights.

Then the family should get over it and take the kid hunting again. It's only a deer. There are plenty more out there.

In fact, I'd tell the owner of the property just exactly where the deer lies and tell him he is welcome to it as you'd hate to see it just be eaten by the possum's and coyotes.

[Cherokee]

I'll bite my tongue.....:rant::rant::rant::rant::rant::rant::ra nt::rant::rant::rant::rant:....feel terrible for the youngster and the waste of the animal.

[Cain]

It's a tough break for the kid. But, as Boehr posted, it can be a great lesson in respect for laws and for property rights.

Then the family should get over it and take the kid hunting again. It's only a deer. There are plenty more out there.

In fact, I'd tell the owner of the property just exactly where the deer lies and tell him he is welcome to it as you'd hate to see it just be eaten by the possum's and coyotes.

good idea.. then when he takes it, call the DNR cuz he probably wont have a kill tag for it :evilsmile

[bentduck]

There's a difference between an officer chasing someone and a deer on someone elses property. And all the other search warrant exceptions have legal basis and case law to support them. As bad as this sucks, it is a deer on someone elses property. It will never be seen by legislature simply because citizens have property rights....even the a##holes. Look at it from a different POV. Say you live next to the biggest flaming a##hole of all time. Would you want him tromping on your property any time he wants? Confront him and he'll just say, "I was just looking for a deer". In North Carolina they don't have the trespassing laws we do and can retrieve a hunting dog on another's property, just like we can, with one difference: They can still have a firearm when doing so. The problem they are having is people are hunting on others property and using it as a loophole when caught. We don't need to open that can of worms here.

If you re-read my post, the “pursue” law would have to meet specific criteria / guidelines and would NOT allow trespassing with a simple excuse that you were “looking for a deer”

This would not necessarily open a can of worms if written correctly with language that would benefit both the hunter and the landowner. In fact, the law may even be written to increase the penalty for trespassing if the procedure is not followed to the letter. I don’t think this would be precedent setting either, because I am almost certain similar laws currently exist in these matters. (I will do a little research on this)

I would agree that no hunter should be allowed unrestricted access just because he may be in pursuit of a wounded deer. The landowner or designee would have to be notified in person and whatever other terms are set forth would have to be met before the hunter could gain access.

Short of a new law, get to know all of your neighbors as best you can and discuss this scenario before the season and come up with a contingency plan just in case. That is always the best scenario unless of course you hunt next to a flaming &*% *&%^

In any event, recovering a wounded (or dead deer) needs to be the primary focus and should be supported by everyone.

[swoosh]

It sucks and would never think of doing such a thing.

But Private means Private, it is his right. When we start to take private lands rights away through legislation we are going down a slippery slope.

I do find some members comments funny, must of time you guys are screaming for Goverment to stay out of your hunting and not tell you what to do.

Now some want legislation to tell land owners what to do:dizzy:

BTW we have never turned down anyone to look for a deer. We always go with them

[IceDaddy]

to the sess pool in 3........2.......1......:lol:

[M1Garand]

If you re-read my post, the “pursue” law would have to meet specific criteria / guidelines and would NOT allow trespassing with a simple excuse that you were “looking for a deer”

This would not necessarily open a can of worms if written correctly with language that would benefit both the hunter and the landowner. In fact, the law may even be written to increase the penalty for trespassing if the procedure is not followed to the letter. I don’t think this would be precedent setting either, because I am almost certain similar laws currently exist in these matters. (I will do a little research on this)

I would agree that no hunter should be allowed unrestricted access just because he may be in pursuit of a wounded deer. The landowner or designee would have to be notified in person and whatever other terms are set forth would have to be met before the hunter could gain access.

Short of a new law, get to know all of your neighbors as best you can and discuss this scenario before the season and come up with a contingency plan just in case. That is always the best scenario unless of course you hunt next to a flaming &*% *&%^

In any event, recovering a wounded (or dead deer) needs to be the primary focus and should be supported by everyone.

Yep I did misread that part. My point was it's his property to do as he pleases. I wouldn't want anyone telling us what to do or who to allow access to our property. We may disagree with what he is doing but he does have property rights and I really doubt any legislation is going to go anywhere that address taking those away. As much as I disagree with this guy, his property rights are more important than a law allowing anyone to go walking on anyone's property without permission.

Swoosh - right on and well said.

[Quickdraw]

Now im even more pissed, i talked to my son a few minutes ago, and he said they could see the damn deer laying on the ground from the fenceline....i gotta calm down for a few or i might have to kick someones teeth in.......:rant::rant::rant::rant:

Go get it!! I'm serious. Screw that guy.

[bentduck]

Yep I did misread that part. My point was it's his property to do as he pleases. I wouldn't want anyone telling us what to do or who to allow access to our property. We may disagree with what he is doing but he does have property rights and I really doubt any legislation is going to go anywhere that address taking those away. As much as I disagree with this guy, his property rights are more important than a law allowing anyone to go walking on anyone's property without permission.

As a land owner, I wouldn't mind new legislation that would increase the penalty for trespassing. I may also support very specific guidlines that may allow pursuit of a wounded deer on my property if the law was properly worded to guarantee my interests as well.

Anyhow, you are right that owning private property should and does grant us specific rights that should never be compromised by "unreasonable" government influence. In this case, I just don't think pursuing a wounded deer on private property (given very specific guidlines including landowner notification / supervision etc.) is unreasonable when looking at the big picture. Recovering a wounded deer is THAT important IMO.

Like I mentioned earlier, I have a great relationship with my neighbors and this is a moot point given my personal situation. I just think it is wrong that this first young hunter is denied his first deer through no fault of his own. Just a reminder that game and zoning laws have to be followed on private property so simply owning the property is not like posessing a "get out of jail free card" Like it or not, we never really "own" the land in the truest sense of the word. Just my opinion.

[Frantz]

Who knows what this guys history is, maybe he has been screwed by tresspassers for years and is bitter. Maybe he thinks you are a lier and the deer was shot on his property?

What the DNR does is not MAKE the guy give you permission, but they do at most times tend to put the person at ease so he WILL give you permission. If this guys mindset is that your jsut a stinking trespasser, why encourage it when a simple assist by the CO might put his mind at ease. We know if the CO sees something wrong with the situation, he will deal with it.

You would be surprised the ill feelings a property owner will harbor towards all others after being burned a few times. Does not matter who's to blame, it just matters that one or two idiots in the past have screwed everyone for the future. Don/t be so quick to think this guy is an ass just because he said no, that is his right.

[Michigander1]

1st off asking owner is 100% correct.If hes says no then np.But if the next day i can see the deer i would have a friend just go drag it.In fact i would if not in view of house.Im not about to let a deer rot horns or not.Its not like im tracking all over his land.I can see it dead laying there.Im sure the DNR would see it the same.Or all they would have to say is we need this animal for testing.I think the guy would get the hint.Im sure he would not want the EPA on his ***.They can always find something if you know what to look for ;),Mich

[Frantz]

For those of you who post the incredibly stupid suggestion of just trespassing after being told no, I would love to see you post your REAL private addresses in these forums. Just give us your real name and address, maybe a phone number and we can start sending whomever we want over to your property to maybe search your yard for mushrooms, or to take the fruit from the tress in your yard. Maybe we could stop by with the truck and the saw and chop on a couple trees to get some campfire wood while we are there.

As Boehr said, do not listen to those who are implying that you should trespass and violate the law to recover this animal.

[PDOGKILLER]

I can tell you that I have had ALOT of bad experiences with trespassers, even had my own stands stolen off of my own land, and I would think twice about letting someone that I don't know go on my property for any reason because I believe that more times than not, they will take that permission to be permanent. Now I may accompany them and let them retrieve their deer, but I can tell you that there are alot more morons out there than some of you want to admit. I have gotten to where I almost hate to see deer season come around because of all of the crap that it causes me every year. Me and my neighbors deal with it EVERY YEAR. I'm starting to think that the majority of hunters have no respect for anyone anymore and it makes me sick. Look at this thread, this landowner has become a drunk, fat, lazy a-hole and noone even knows his side of the story!!! I'm not sticking up for him, but please, the trespassing problem is out of hand and if we need any legislation, it would be to increase the punishment to make it extremely detrimental to take the chance of getting caught on someone elses property without permission!!!

[Michigander1]

How much you want to bet he got it ?Mich

[doughman]

I'd be doing what I got to do to get this deer. I would be doing all I could do to convinse land owner but if not I got tricks up my sleeve especially for an 11 year old.. Just how i see it........................

By the way I ain't hiding behind no name,

Marv,

my number is posted several times all over this website

[benster]

Why don't you have your son go speak to him alone? (You stay in the car) Explain the situation to the owner and ask if he could go recover the deer for him? In exchange for this maybe your son could help him out in some way? (cut grass, rake leaves, ect...) Just the offer could go along way?

[Frantz]

Or even offer him a nice venison steak and some taters with it, will work for food.

People do not believe the power of food and the power of not going up EXPECTING that something is a given, such as this retrieval. I think you are doing the right thing for yourself, but most of all for the education of your child.

It is nice that you have your name and number posted, put them here with your address right below the posts which show how ethic and law abiding you are. I have asked this a number of times of people who see fit to justify trespass and with the exception of a single person who sent me a PM with his info, I have yet to see one of you ballsy trespassers post your real name, address and phone number in a public forum which shows your obvious disrespect for the properties of others.

[buckwiz]

I have been throught this too many times. Call DNR or a Cop IF you can see the deer. I have been through it trust me, if you can see it, they will get it for you. They will threaten them that if the deer is moved, they will get ticketed for taking or tagging a deer they didnt kill. Then they will tell them if its moved they will be looking for it. He will give the deer up.:D

[doughman]

Depending on your anger level when reading this, that will be the suggestion you give to this all important discussion.

I got an idea.........

Answer this questions as honest as you can.

I caught an 11 year old on my private property(Doesn't matter what he/she was doing) What do you do.

I know I am not going to get ballsy on an 11 year old.........

[swifty]

[G) tell your boy that you tried. Its not fair. Its not right. But life is not always fair or right. Nature has a way of hiding her life's' secrets in little examples like this. The trick is to see them when they are revealed and learn from them. Remember, your son is learning what to do from you right now, as will his friends when they see his actions.

Mitch[/quote]

I haven't been on this site very long, and I have been very impressed by how everyone seems to conduct themselves in the field. It is ridiculous that this guy won't let a young kid retrieve his first kill, and if it was my son I would feel horrible. But like mitch said you do your very best and then use this as a lesson in how life is not always going to work the way you want it. Those of you saying just go get it are WRONG!!! Your breaking the law, it doesn't matter if your 11 or 40. What is the message you send to this new hunter? It's ok this one time, the law doesn't matter. Wrong is wrong. Again this landowner isn't being very nice, but in this state and country we all have that option.

I really hope you are able to collect this for your son, but please do not break the law to do it. You have done an awesome thing taking him into the field and teaching him to hunt, now continue along those lines and make sure EVERYTHING you do teaches him to be a good hunter.

[wally-eye]

Exactly, teach him to be a "responsible law abiding sportman". Do the right thing......

[farmlegend]

deer kicks and runs 20-25 yards into the adjoinging property

To me, there's two different ways to interpret this, and viewers have apparently seen it both ways here. Is it:
A. The deer was lying dead 20-25 yards across the property line? or
B. The wounded deer ran 20-25 yards before crossing the property line, to a destination uncertain?

Big difference between the two. Especially if the hunter was set up very close to the property boundary without having a prior discussion with the adjacent landowner. IMO, setting up 20 yards from a boundary (that's less than bow range) without a courteous discussion with the neighboring landowner is too close. Yeah, it's legal, but it's also rude.

Were it me, and the hunter truly made a good faith effort to contact me before beginning a tracking job on my land, I'd probably go help him, assuming there are no other extenuating circumstances. But that's just me, and I don't believe on trammeling property rights of others. On the other hand, if I were to unexpectedly see a flashlight or lantern on my land, belonging to a hunter who was looking for a deer, my response would be different.

If someone wants to suggest changes in the law, I'd suggest a new thread, and I'll see you there. Any new laws which would create an OBLIGATION on the part of landowners to allow pursuit of game on their land would be vigorously opposed by me - it would unquestionably exacerbate the grotesque problem we already have of hunters setting up on property boundaries.

[Pigpen69]

GOOD NEWS, THE GUY ACTUALLY DOES HAVE A HEART. WENT BACK OVER TO HIS HOUSE AND HAD A CONVERSATION WITH HIS KID, AS HE WAS GONE. EXPLAINED THE SITUATION TO HIM AND LEFT MY # HE CALLED BACK A FEW HOURS AGO, ASKED TO SPEAK TO MY SON... APOLOGIZED, AND RECOVERED THE DEER AND DRUG IT TO THE PROPERTY LINE. tURNS OUT HE HAS A PROBLEM WITH MY SONS STEPDADS FAMILY, NOT MY BOY... TURNS OUT ITS A 3 POINT, NOT A 6 POINT, BUT THE GRIN ON HIS FACE IS STILL JUST AS BIG. MANY THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO WAS READY TO STRING THIS GUY UP. I WILL POST A PIC OF IT ASAP. AGAIN THANKS FOR THE SUPPORT.. MY SON AND I APPRECIATE IT.

[Pigpen69]

For The Record, His Stand Is Located Several Hundred Yards From The Property Line, And This Guy Is A Trophy Hunter And Thats Why He Didnt Want People Walking His Land.

[M1Garand]

Glad to hear you recovered the deer. How about some pics now?

[steve1983]

thats great news!! cant wait for pic's!!

[STEELCHASER5150]

I've been following this thread since it's beginning, and am glad it turned out this way, cograts to the boy-I'm sure he is truly hooked now.

[flinch]

good idea.. then when he takes it, call the DNR cuz he probably wont have a kill tag for it :evilsmile

He can't tag it. It's illegal to tag a deer you didn't kill. So if he won't let the rightful owner claim it, he can't either and it still belongs to the state at that point.

Either way, glad the kid was able to finally recover his deer.

[whitetailmount_her]

congrats to your son, glad to hear it turned out ok

[SPITFIRE]

Im glad he got his deer and since there was a linching in progress, I think we all deserve a pic of his deer next to him. ;)

[Blueracer]

Pigpen, think the meats good?

[swifty]

Pigpen,
congratulations to your son, can't wait to see the pics. I'm glad that everything turned out well.:D

[farmlegend]

Congratulations to the successful hunter!

[Pigpen69]

apparently my sisters camera has a different cord to the computer, so ill post as soon as i go over there, probably at halftime..:D again thanks to everyone for the support.

[Still Wait'n]

WOW!

What a learning experience this was. This taught your son quite a few things. Sure does make things a lot easier with a good ending.

[wruebs]

Sounds like the relationship between the boy and landowner is in good standing now that the "air has been cleared". But if the boy would have followed the advice of a few and just gone and get it, can you imagine the animosity? Nothing good comes from trespassing, especially after being told no.

[FireDoc66]

Congratulations to him on a succesful hunt, and one heck of a life lesson learned! :)

Kudos to you guys' for playing it straight.

This would be a great lesson in ethics for any Hunters Safety Instructor, especially with such a Happy Ending!

Congrats again!

[Cherokee]

Outstanding to hear that all is well. It was on my mind all day. Bet there's one happy 11 yo out there tonight!!:D Now, there's a happy 46yo in Belmont too!:)

[bentduck]

This thread was enlightening.

I don't care if the hunter was someone I had problems with in the past ... If he comes knocking on my door for permission to recover a deer, I would let him. As long as the deer was legally harvested, I don't care what kind of flaming A-hole the guy might be, I would let him get his deer. I would even help locate and drag it.

An eleven year old hunter??? Hell, I would not only help him drag it but I would field dress it for him if needed. Pissing matches never end well and a proactive gesture by the landowner could go a long way at solving potential future problems. Congrats of his first buck... make sure to get a photo of him and his deer to the landowner (maybe a backstrap as well)...

[Swamp Monster]

Glad to hear it all worked out! Nice to hear that when you do the right thing, things turn out the way they should. Now, have your son send a thank you note to the land owner and/or a little care package showing his and your appreciation. The land owner will likely remember that the next time you need his permission.

[Pigpen69]

got some pics in my photos, and started a new thread for them, but i cant get them to come up. little help please..:D:D

[marksman72]

Keep a cool head, things will work out.

[chewball]

Great news on your son finding his deer :cool:.

[marksman72]

Whew!! Glad to see it all worked out for your son...it could've been devastating for a kid that age. I would've been excited if a kid came knocking on my door to get permission to walk my property. That's what hunting is all about. Those smiles are priceless.

[ottertrapper]

Here it is congrats. OT

http://www.michigan-sportsman.com/photopost/data/500/brodys_deer_1.jpg

[M1Garand]

got some pics in my photos, and started a new thread for them, but i cant get them to come up. little help please..:D:D

Here you go, congrats again!

http://www.michigan-sportsman.com/photopost/data/500/brodys_deer_1.jpg

http://www.michigan-sportsman.com/photopost/data/500/brodys_deer_2.jpg

[SgtSlaughter]

Congrats! I'm glad to see everything worked out in the end, especially since it's his first deer.

[bigcountrysg]

I like happy endings and this story is a happy ending. I am glad everything worked out the right way.

You never know maybe it was the drink the landowner was enjoying last night that made him respond the way he did.

[Pigpen69]

the Guy called my cell, asked to speak to my son, first thing he did was apologize for how he acted, then he congratulated my boy and said come get your deer. he started shaking on the ride over. It WAS ABSOLUTELY PRICELESS. Im gonna get a euro mount for him so he can hang it in the den with my stuff. Thanks to everyone for your support... as you can see from the smile on his face, he is hooked, and learned a little about the right way to do stuff,(even though his dad was ready to kick some ass if need be.:D) couldnt be prouder.

[Tru-N-Sea]

Awesome! Great to hear things worked out for the best. And I have to give kudos to the guy for talking directly to your son and apologizing, he definitely stepped up on that one.

Captn---

[walleyechaser]

I too have been keeping an eye on this thread from the beginning and I'm really glad it worked out for the boy.
Its also very good that he's learned the value of doing things the right way.

As for me,if someone asked permission to retrieve an animal I would help them get it but on the other hand if someone is a big enough slob to ignore the law and property rights they WILL be prosecuted and it will be THEIR fault that a deer is laying rotting in the woods.
Nuff said!;)

[KalamazooKid]

Really glad things worked out.

All I can add is for everyone to get permission BEFORE hunting. A short conversation goes a long way when your tracking a deer after dark.

Before I even bought my property I tracked down the owners of the adjoining properties and talked to them about tracking onto their property. They all said YES and of course I offered my help if they ever needed it on my property.

To be honest, if they'd have said no, I would NOT have purchased the property.

[AL D.]

Glad things worked out for you guys. Congrats to your son, nice buck. Al

[4x4_Hunter]

Is it really 'tresspassing' if you get caught and no charges hold up in a court of law? Reason I ask, I'm pretty sure (correct me if I am wrong), the law doesn't 'allow' someone to enter another's property. However, to convict someone of tresspassing, the owner must have the property posted or, if a farm, property lines are noticeable, or the owner has told you to stay off the property. Okay, in this case, the owner told him to keep off the property. I'm sure there is a Mom or friend or someone that could go retrieve it.

I think I would have a difficult time prosecuting someone who enters my property, that is not posted or obvious lines, and who I have not told to stay off my property. The 'tresspasser' would likely get a warning and if the offense was to repeat, he/she would be prosecuted. So, if that is the case with every first time occurance, is it really 'tresspassing' if you get caught?

I don't preach breaking the law, but with using common sense, I don't discourage utilizing the loop holes!!!

I know the neighbors where I bow hunt and we have had a few deer end up in their woods. Now, I know that if I ask them to retrieve it, they will say no (just to pi$$ me off). However, I also know that if I don't ask and just go get the deer and they happen to catch me, they will not press charges. They would just tell me not to do again (in which, then I would not anymore). They haven't caught us the two times that it has happened and I highly doubt they ever will. In the same note, they may be retrieving some of their deer on the property I hunt (which they don't have permission to). So, what's good for the goose, is good for the gander!!!!

[Joe Archer]

Great story here!
Congrats to all involved.
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[swoosh]

Is it really 'tresspassing' if you get caught and no charges hold up in a court of law? Reason I ask, I'm pretty sure (correct me if I am wrong), the law doesn't 'allow' someone to enter another's property. However, to convict someone of tresspassing, the owner must have the property posted or, if a farm, property lines are noticeable, or the owner has told you to stay off the property. Okay, in this case, the owner told him to keep off the property. I'm sure there is a Mom or friend or someone that could go retrieve it.

I think I would have a difficult time prosecuting someone who enters my property, that is not posted or obvious lines, and who I have not told to stay off my property. The 'tresspasser' would likely get a warning and if the offense was to repeat, he/she would be prosecuted. So, if that is the case with every first time occurance, is it really 'tresspassing' if you get caught?

I don't preach breaking the law, but with using common sense, I don't discourage utilizing the loop holes!!!

I know the neighbors where I bow hunt and we have had a few deer end up in their woods. Now, I know that if I ask them to retrieve it, they will say no (just to pi$$ me off). However, I also know that if I don't ask and just go get the deer and they happen to catch me, they will not press charges. They would just tell me not to do again (in which, then I would not anymore). They haven't caught us the two times that it has happened and I highly doubt they ever will. In the same note, they may be retrieving some of their deer on the property I hunt (which they don't have permission to). So, what's good for the goose, is good for the gander!!!!

Hey I am in SE MI stay off my land:lol: There now I told you, so I can press charges.

BTW if someone is willing to tresspass without it being posted, they will do so with it being posted.

IMO it's a lack of respect and the sign of generation brought up on Self Entitlement values.

BTW funny thing is I ask to guys to leave our property Saturday on the river. They stopped for a smoke and to "walk around". If you tresspass you have a serious character flaw IMO. It also goes for hunters who do not allow others to retieve their deer also.

[STEELCHASER5150]

Is it really 'tresspassing' if you get caught and no charges hold up in a court of law? Reason I ask, I'm pretty sure (correct me if I am wrong), the law doesn't 'allow' someone to enter another's property. However, to convict someone of tresspassing, the owner must have the property posted or, if a farm, property lines are noticeable, or the owner has told you to stay off the property. Okay, in this case, the owner told him to keep off the property. I'm sure there is a Mom or friend or someone that could go retrieve it.

I think I would have a difficult time prosecuting someone who enters my property, that is not posted or obvious lines, and who I have not told to stay off my property. The 'tresspasser' would likely get a warning and if the offense was to repeat, he/she would be prosecuted. So, if that is the case with every first time occurance, is it really 'tresspassing' if you get caught?

I don't preach breaking the law, but with using common sense, I don't discourage utilizing the loop holes!!!

I know the neighbors where I bow hunt and we have had a few deer end up in their woods. Now, I know that if I ask them to retrieve it, they will say no (just to pi$$ me off). However, I also know that if I don't ask and just go get the deer and they happen to catch me, they will not press charges. They would just tell me not to do again (in which, then I would not anymore). They haven't caught us the two times that it has happened and I highly doubt they ever will. In the same note, they may be retrieving some of their deer on the property I hunt (which they don't have permission to). So, what's good for the goose, is good for the gander!!!!
Dosent matter, posted or not. It's your responsability to know where the property lines are, privately owned property is just that,private. We deal with it every year on one of our properties in Vn. Brn. county, it backs up to a trailer park and they are in there all the time,and some are the same ones year after year. We never press charges, but are probably going to start as they have received warning after warning. We also posted,but it hasent helped and the c.o.'s told us it helps but dosent matter.

[dsconnell]

Contact the DNR... Go get your deer.... If you made a lethal shot the officer will go up and get the landowner and either tell him to go with you to recover the deer or that you are going to get the deer.. You shot it on the ground that you have permission to hunt.. We ran into this issue up north years back and that is exactly what we did..

[dsconnell]

Should have read the whole thing... Congrats on the deer!

[mikieday]

congrats ....nice ending to the story....makes me think harder about how i take peoples first impression...the land owner must have been having a bad day (may not have had anything to do with a few drinks)...

did you do a follow up call with him just to say thanks again???

Mikie

[NoWake]

IMO it's a lack of respect and the sign of generation brought up on Self Entitlement values.


I agree it definitely shows a lack of respect, but I am not sure this generation is any worse than previous ones. I wonder if maybe it just seems to be getting worse since more people care about it, than what use to. I guess it really doesn't matter because there's really no excuse for trespassing.
I just think the next generation gets blamed for too much. Afterall it's been being blamed for every evil for the past 100 years or more. Possibly since the begining of time I don't know. :)

To get back on topic. Pigpen, Glad to hear your son was able to recover your dear, and you set a good example by doing things the right way. !