Cabela's in St.Johns?

[BtcHunter]

I have just recently heard a rumor that Cabela's is thinking about building a Cabela's in St.Johns (located about 20 min North of Lansing). I was wondering if anyone else has heard the same or if it is just another "Cabela's rumor".

[MallardMaster]

If I had a dollar every time I heard a Cabela's is coming to "West Michigan", I would have enough money to buy my own Cabelas franchise and put it where ever I wanted too!! You all need to subscribe to the "I'll believe it when I see it attitude"!! :)

[woodie slayer]

i heard that about Birch Run too..i seen a list somewhere cabellas is intending on building in the future and mi. is not on the list
surprise surprise

[passthru]

Id put my money on Walker, MI. Grand Rapids area.

[archerjustin]

Id put my money on Walker, MI. Grand Rapids area.

Yup! It's already in the works. Pioneer along with a few other big builders are bidding the project as we speak! I wouldn't plan on seeing it for about three years though.

[HUBBHUNTER]

Yeah I also heard that rumor about 6 months ago. I heard it from a pretty respectable guy, but I'm not sure where he heard it from. I was told it was going to be put up south of st. johns on Price road, just west of us-27. Wouldn't that be sweet, just a couple miles from where I live. I would have it set up so my paycheck would be direct deposited to Cabelas. Although I have more confidence in Cabelas putting a store up in Walker. Either way I wont have to drive down to Dundee anymore.

[newbostonmike]

I saw property in Big Rapids near 20 and 131 with cabelas signs on it, I dont excactly know what the whole story is on that but I do remember seeing the signs there.

[Crowhunter]

Walker would be my guess ,it has been in the news a few times .Bud :confused:

[passthru]

Well the reason I said I bet money was the fact my uncle was contacted by one of the bidding contractors/construction companies about the stream and how to go about it. My uncle does large scale under ground sprinkling, fountains, and that type of stuff for a living. Just what he told me is all I know about the store coming. I know also Walker is trying hard to come up with creative ways to give Cabelas the tax credits they want for the store.

Jay

[walleyeguy22]

LOL @ Cabelas in St. John, tallk about a prime location right next to Uncle Johns. Yeah I heard theye are also putting in a Cabelas in the U.P. around Newberry lol :lol:

[HUBBHUNTER]

I also heard that in the next 5 yrs Cabelas plans to open 14 new stores across the country. Why not a few more in Michingan with such a large outdoorsman fan base. Bring on Cabelas, the closer the better.

[Whit1]

Ah yes! The "new Cabela's" rumor mill spins into action.

A pool anyone?

[archerjustin]

I saw property in Big Rapids near 20 and 131 with cabelas signs on it, I dont excactly know what the whole story is on that but I do remember seeing the signs there.

I think that was for Cabelas trophy properties.

[KEN-813]

Cabalas has been in talks with Zoning commissioners in a few different towns on the West side of the state around Grand Rapids North.
I know this for a fact,
St. Johns is a new Rumor I haven't herd, that may be a better location then GR being more centrally located in MI.

The Question is, how far North twards Mt. Pleasant would they go to compete with Jays in Clare ???

[Swamp Monster]

I saw property in Big Rapids near 20 and 131 with cabelas signs on it, I dont excactly know what the whole story is on that but I do remember seeing the signs there.


Check out Cabelas real estate holdings. They own property they have absolutely no intention of building retail stores on, but instead use for investment purposes. Everytime they are interested in any property, everyone thinks a store is in the works and thats how the rumors get started. And thats pretty understandable to be honest. They may be interested in property by St Johns, and they may well own some property in Big Rapids etc, but it was likely purchased for investment purposes. Securing prime commercial property is an ongoing process for Cabelas.

[Lwapo]

St. Johns currently has a Dunhams being built, it is unlikely (not impossible) that Cabelas would come into such a small market with a big name competitor like Dunhams. It would likely not be profitable to either chain.

[Swamp Monster]

Dunhams a big name competitor?
I wouldn't exactly consider them competition when talking about them and Cabelas in the same sentence.

[MEL]

Cabelas in St Johns???? A wise man once said "be carefull what you wish for. You just might get it".

[bentduck]

Yup! It's already in the works. Pioneer along with a few other big builders are bidding the project as we speak! I wouldn't plan on seeing it for about three years though.

I am from West Michigan and have been watching this rumor develope. Don't let Walkers very public desire to land a Cabella's cloud the picture....It is far from a done deal. I personally think it will take too many concessions on the part of the state, MDOT, and local governments to make this happen. In my opinion, from an economic impact standpoint, it sounds better than it really is when you break down the numbers.

In order for this deal to happen, Cabella's will call most all of the shots and that is not a good business model for local government in my opinion. In fact, part of this "deal" calls for the City of Wyoming to purchase the land in question to even make this possible... Be careful what you wish for or at least don't overemphasize the benefits of more low-paying part time jobs. Cabella's is a cool store and I would like to see one here as long as we don't throw the baby out with the bathwater to get it done. Just my opinion.

[Paul Thompson]

OH WOW!!! it's 113 miles from Port Huron to Dundee,
And 111 miles from here to St. Johns, I will be shaving 4 miles round trip off of the trip. It's cheaper for me to buy on line.

[omega58]

Cabela's in Walker? I have heard nothing and have no current information on this subject.:lol:

[HunterHads]

They need one in the Soo!!!! or a Bass Pro!!!!! or a Gander mtn!!!!!! Give me somewhere to go up there while im in school!!!!!

[QuakrTrakr]

Cabelas is NOT the Holy Grail of hunting and fishing gear guys. They are NOT the best price. They do NOT have the best selection. They DO have the nicest catalog though. Thee best reading material for the bathroom. Do some shopping on the internet. It's pretty cutthroat price wise out there.

[KEN-813]

St. Johns currently has a Dunhams being built, it is unlikely (not impossible) that Cabelas would come into such a small market with a big name competitor like Dunhams. It would likely not be profitable to either chain.


Dunham's would not be a pimple on Cabala's **** ;) Dunham's is more of an all sports store like MC Sports, and Dicks, selling foot balls basketballs and Jock straps, IMO Cabala's would Crush Dunham's in hunting / fishing goods sales

[MallardMaster]

They need one in the Soo!!!! or a Bass Pro!!!!! or a Gander mtn!!!!!! Give me somewhere to go up there while im in school!!!!!

They have a place in the Mackinaw Crossings Mall (Trouble thinking of the name) that is a Bass Pro Shops affiliate. Someone help me with the name. Never been there so I know nothing about it.

[micooner]

Yall west siders keep wishing as your driving over to the intersection of us23 and m50 lol

[passthru]

Yall west siders keep wishing as your driving over to the intersection of us23 and m50 lol

Keep wishing???? Whatever!!!!

Jason

[BlackCoyote]

there is a new bass pro shop in Mackinaw City...it's Mackinaw Outfitters.

I live outside of St. Johns, and have heard no such talk of a cabelas store nor them purchasing the land that is for sale along price road.

Besides St. Johns has a hardware store that has a better selection of guns than most of the big stores in Lansing. The owners are get to deal with, and if it they don't stock it you can order it.

[Bear in the Woods]

It will end up just like the Meijers Store that was suppose to happen about 6 to 7 years ago when the new section of 127 went in. Nobody could come to terms on infrastructure so they built the Meijers near DeWitt. Same with the new Wal-Mart superstore, next township to the south. Enough said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Besides Dunhams is suppose to open, but they are really dragging their feet to get it done. Times are real tough for the small town of St. Johns..

[Ebowhunter]

People are willing to drive much farther.

Owosso to Dundee = 104 m
Owosso to Walker = 88 m
Walker to Dundee = 150 m
Owosso to Clare = 79 m
Owosso to Auburn Hills = 70 m
Owosso to St Johns = 20 m
Owosso to Flint = 32 m
Owosso to Grand Ledge = 47 m
Brighton to Novi = 18 m

I stop at Gander in Flint the most often because it is on my way home. I should go to Jay's the most often as I try to keep the revenue local.

[redwingsdude]

I am from West Michigan and have been watching this rumor develope. Don't let Walkers very public desire to land a Cabella's cloud the picture....It is far from a done deal. I personally think it will take too many concessions on the part of the state, MDOT, and local governments to make this happen. In my opinion, from an economic impact standpoint, it sounds better than it really is when you break down the numbers.

In order for this deal to happen, Cabella's will call most all of the shots and that is not a good business model for local government in my opinion. In fact, part of this "deal" calls for the City of Wyoming to purchase the land in question to even make this possible... Be careful what you wish for or at least don't overemphasize the benefits of more low-paying part time jobs. Cabella's is a cool store and I would like to see one here as long as we don't throw the baby out with the bathwater to get it done. Just my opinion.

Cabelas is dictating what's going on, and it looks like Walker/Wyoming are willing to play ball. Last I checked, the only thing Cabelas was asking for was $15 million in tax breaks, which it looks like the city is willing to concede, as they would undoubtedly make much, much more money back. I'm pretty confident that Cabelas will be in Walker in the next 2-3 years.

Putting one in St. Johns makes absolutely no sense. It's been hard enough to get one on the opposite side of the state, why in the world would they put one smack dab in between, less than 2 hours away from the original? That would just be cutting into their own market.

[Boyd]

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/community/aboutus/retail-stores.jsp?cm_re=store*topnav*rs

Doesn't look like anything in the future, but the Birch Run would be a great place

[MallardMaster]

I think it is time to close this thread down for the month :lol:

Perhaps in 4 weeks there will be new rumors of a Cabelas in Iron Mountain or Cadillac to name a few.

"If you build it, they will come"

[passthru]

All I know is here in the GR area at times its plastered all over the news about the meetings going on with Walker and what not. Time will dictate wheather this rumor is true or not. I hope its true since I will work within 3 miles of the store.

Jason

[bowhunter11]

All I know is here in the GR area at times its plastered all over the news about the meetings going on with Walker and what not. Time will dictate wheather this rumor is true or not. I hope its true since I will work within 3 miles of the store.

Jason

:yeahthat: It's been in the news a lot in Grand Rapids, they are trying to make it happen. Hopefully it works out!

[sfw1960]

Ah yes! The "new Cabela's" rumor mill spins into action.

A pool anyone?
NO MILT!!
:yikes:

NOT until AFTER the GR store has been built , then......


fEEEsH 0000NNN!!!

:lol: :lol:

[bentduck]

Cabelas is dictating what's going on, and it looks like Walker/Wyoming are willing to play ball. Last I checked, the only thing Cabelas was asking for was $15 million in tax breaks, which it looks like the city is willing to concede, as they would undoubtedly make much, much more money back. I'm pretty confident that Cabelas will be in Walker in the next 2-3 years.


Do you know how long it would take to make up 15 million dollars..even if the economy turns around??? I may be wrong but I believe I heard this "deal" would cost the city of Walker more than they have budgeted to run the entire city for a single year....:SHOCKED:

I still say it ain't gonna happen...at least right now.

[TSS Caddis]

Cabelas is dictating what's going on, and it looks like Walker/Wyoming are willing to play ball. Last I checked, the only thing Cabelas was asking for was $15 million in tax breaks, which it looks like the city is willing to concede, as they would undoubtedly make much, much more money back. I'm pretty confident that Cabelas will be in Walker in the next 2-3 years.

Putting one in St. Johns makes absolutely no sense. It's been hard enough to get one on the opposite side of the state, why in the world would they put one smack dab in between, less than 2 hours away from the original? That would just be cutting into their own market.

Last I heard they wanted a large tax break from the state which the state refused to give since they already got a break on their current Dundee store. People at the state still feel Cabelas will be coming to West Michigan, it just will now take longer since they didn't get their way.

[archerjustin]

Cabelas is dictating what's going on, and it looks like Walker/Wyoming are willing to play ball. Last I checked, the only thing Cabelas was asking for was $15 million in tax breaks, which it looks like the city is willing to concede, as they would undoubtedly make much, much more money back. I'm pretty confident that Cabelas will be in Walker in the next 2-3 years.


Do you know how long it would take to make up 15 million dollars..even if the economy turns around??? I may be wrong but I believe I heard this "deal" would cost the city of Walker more than they have budgeted to run the entire city for a single year....:SHOCKED:

I still say it ain't gonna happen...at least right now.

Hate to say this but 15 million is just a drop in a hat. 15 million is next to nothing compared to what that would bring in in just a few years. The city of Walker could cover that loss in less that five years if Cabelas built. Sounds like a big number to you and I but in the world of big buisness that's not that much. I was actually surprised to hear the number was that low a few months ago and from the sounds of it the city board is happy with that number as well. Don't forget we have BILLION dollar mergers going on in this country as we speak! It's all about P&L. Doesn't really matter how big the numbers are.

[redwingsdude]

Make up $15 million? Ha. Cabelas wants tax breaks, it's not like the city of Walker is going to be handing over $15 million in cash to lure them here, they just don't want to pay as much to set up shop. Walker isn't losing anything, they just aren't gaining as much. If, lets say, Walker makes $20 million in the long run after sacrificing $15 million, it's still a positive, a BIG positive. Walker will make up that money with new businesses being lured in because they will be close to Cabelas, and make money off of Cabelas after the $15 million. Not to mention the boon to the current economy and all the new jobs that will be coming from Cabelas and the other stores coming to town.

Just look at what Justin said, he's exactly right. $15 million would be nothing in the long run. It's just too good of an opportunity to pass up, IMO.

[archerjustin]

It goes beyond what we've already discussed. look at Dundee. Cabelas brings the obvious - hotels, resturaunts and other stores but what many don't know about is the residential housing proposed. Not only do we bring in a ton of employees for Cabelas, but also for the buisnesses mentioned above. That is why a residential housing plat has also been proposed in the area if Cabelas is to come. This all means more jobs including in the construction end and more kids in our area schools which will bring in more money in taxes, among other things. You could go on and on but the fact remains the same - in an economy like we are expierencing now, Walker city officials would be foolish to not make sure this happens. Personally I think a project this extreme should have our "smart, lovely" governor paying attention and offering a few incentives to keep the revenue involved with a Cabelas in our state no matter where they build. Just my $.02

[Whit1]

NO MILT!!
:yikes:

NOT until AFTER the GR store has been built , then......


fEEEsH 0000NNN!!!

:lol: :lol:


Fair enough!

If no "Cabela's is coming to town" pool then how about one which picks the date of the next time that "Cougar in Matin, MI" photo makes another (it's sixth I think) appearance on the boards.........:lol:

[bentduck]

It goes beyond what we've already discussed. look at Dundee. Cabelas brings the obvious - hotels, resturaunts and other stores but what many don't know about is the residential housing proposed. Not only do we bring in a ton of employees for Cabelas, but also for the buisnesses mentioned above. That is why a residential housing plat has also been proposed in the area if Cabelas is to come. This all means more jobs including in the construction end and more kids in our area schools which will bring in more money in taxes, among other things. You could go on and on but the fact remains the same - in an economy like we are expierencing now, Walker city officials would be foolish to not make sure this happens. Personally I think a project this extreme should have our "smart, lovely" governor paying attention and offering a few incentives to keep the revenue involved with a Cabelas in our state no matter where they build. Just my $.02

Sorry, gotta' disagree with you on this. What we are talking about is maybe hundreds of part time minimum wage jobs, a few full time mid management positions and a handful of management positions that pay a decent wage ... that's it. No housing boom ... Local hotels will see a slight increase and the restaurants in the area will be impacted positively for sure. This developement has been in the works for a long time and the residential housing is already planned along with all of the other development regardless of wether Cabella's is built here. The site plan is complete and Cabella's is not on it. Their is a contingency plan if they do come however.

Remember, Cabella's is not new anymore, the novelty has worn off a little as most of us have been to the Cabella's in Dundee. As far as pricing, I can do a better at Gander Mountain or on-line. I just don't think local and state government should make so many concessions without a comprehensive and honest economic impact study. I also think it is unfair the the local retailors already doing business in the area who did not get these types of incentives. Again, I would like to see them move here but not if the cost outweighs the benefits. Just my opinion...

[archerjustin]

Sorry, gotta' disagree with you on this. What we are talking about is maybe hundreds of part time minimum wage jobs, a few full time mid management positions and a handful of management positions that pay a decent wage ... that's it. No housing boom ... Local hotels will see a slight increase and the restaurants in the area will be impacted positively for sure. This developement has been in the works for a long time and the residential housing is already planned along with all of the other development regardless of wether Cabella's is built here. The site plan is complete and Cabella's is not on it. Their is a contingency plan if they do come however.

Remember, Cabella's is not new anymore, the novelty has worn off a little as most of us have been to the Cabella's in Dundee. As far as pricing, I can do a better at Gander Mountain or on-line. I just don't think local and state government should make so many concessions without a comprehensive and honest economic impact study. I also think it is unfair the the local retailors already doing business in the area who did not get these types of incentives. Again, I would like to see them move here but not if the cost outweighs the benefits. Just my opinion...

Ummm... First off minimum wage jobs are better than no jobs. Just ask the thousands of unemployed in our state. I'm also talking about NEW resurants, hotels and shops as well as the increase you mentioned in existing establishments. Jobs would be plenty. I don't expect a housing "boom" but it is proven by all Cabelas stores that a significant need for new housing will be pursued. I know this because I am a buisness owner in the industry and have been approached on certian projects. The increase is not because of Cabelas but because the new buisness that will flock to the area. I guess I don't understand why you could think this might not be good for everyone, not just the hunting/fishing community. Cabelas picks and chooses where they want to build based on the incentives that they are offered. They are offered these incentives because everyone wants them to build in their town. They want them to build because of the revenue they bring, not for any other reason. By the way does anyone remember Dundee before Cabelas? Nuf said!

[bentduck]

Ummm... First off minimum wage jobs are better than no jobs. Just ask the thousands of unemployed in our state. I'm also talking about NEW resurants, hotels and shops as well as the increase you mentioned in existing establishments. Jobs would be plenty. I don't expect a housing "boom" but it is proven by all Cabelas stores that a significant need for new housing will be pursued. I know this because I am a buisness owner in the industry and have been approached on certian projects. The increase is not because of Cabelas but because the new buisness that will flock to the area. I guess I don't understand why you could think this might not be good for everyone, not just the hunting/fishing community. Cabelas picks and chooses where they want to build based on the incentives that they are offered. They are offered these incentives because everyone wants them to build in their town. They want them to build because of the revenue they bring, not for any other reason. By the way does anyone remember Dundee before Cabelas? Nuf said!

Can you name any new restaurants, hotels or other businesses that will move into the area that are not already on the site plan that was already submitted. All of the business interests and housing was planned already, regardless of wether Cabella's comes or not. Walker has said they are moving forward with the project either way. I don't have a problem with anyone who creates a lot of part time and minimum wage jobs but do the math ... the economic impact minus all of the concessions and tax incentives is negligible. Dundee was lucky they were the first in the state to host a cabella's store but times have changed. this isn't like a new Toyota plant being built.... it's a retail store ...that's it.

I knew where Dundee was before Cabella's was built :lol: i just haven't been there since my first trip over there. Cool store, nice mounts and atmosphere but prices were no better than what I can find over here. Been there done that ... No need to go back and when the novelty wears off for others, what you have is a huge building, a lot of overhead and not enough customers to support it... bad business plan during these tough economic times for the City of Walker. Brilliant move by Cabella's ... Build a store and have others pay most of the tab through massive tax incentives along with infratstructure concerns demands being met by the state. (On/off ramps etc.)

All of this so the Govenor can have a photo-op and the city of Walker can "get on the map" .

Just my opinion.

[Lwapo]

Don't get me wrong, I'm in favor of anyone creating any type of jobs in this state...

But...

The jobs created by Cabelas will not impact a community as greatly as you might think. Most middle to upper management will be brought in from elsewhere and is rarely hired in from the area of the store being built. (IE how Meijer, Wal-Mart, Lowes, Etc do it) This is a common practice in multi-location retail stores. The jobs that will be created are mostly minimum wage type jobs that are not sought after in our state. Beleive it or not, but there are MANY companies looking for minimal wage type personal that cannot find anyone because very few people are willing to work for that type of money. What IS in demand are the 30K+ a year jobs that hold decent benefits. Even in a sizeable store like a cabelas, there are likely very few people making that type of money. (Managment, purchasers, accountants if they are in-state, auditors, etc)

As far as new businesses... Restaurants and such.. Not much is likely. Once again the infastructure comes into play as well as things like liquor licenses and whatnot. Housing boom? Dream on. The housing market in Mich is worse than our job market... unless of course you're buying a house. And don't expect many of the minimum wage people they're hiring to plan on buying houses. At least the slum lords will have a crack at making some $$$. lol.

As far as costs go from the city, if they are building on a new location, the work that the city has to do to the electrical, sewage, roads... that work often exceeds what the city can afford to do, even if they are sure to make the money back in tax revenue over the next few years. There is an upfront cost to the city and a smaller city may not be able to fund that and wait for the money to come back in. This is where a larger city (Example: GR, might be a more reasonable option)

The Dunhams that is being built in St. Johns (according to what I'm hearing) in the old Wal-Mart location. The city worked with them to get in because they were willing to work on a site that currently has the needed infastructure to support it. This makes for a smooth transistion and minimal disruption to the city's facilities and budget.

Assuming the Dunham's deal is true... Cabelas would not likely go into a market that small with a known competitor. While Cabelas obviously dwarfs Dunhams in the hunting/fishing arena... they dominate them in the others. Dunhams is a LARGE chain that can (when needed) sell products even as a loss-leader and still make money off of other catagories. Even if they just sold hunting/fishing items at cost, they would still pick up income off of the other areas of their store. Cabelas would be giving up SOME outdoors sales to them, no matter what. Why move into a REALLY small market with a competitor when you could move into a bigger market without the competitor?

Long story short, if a big name retailer is coming into a smaller city, you will hear definately reports on it LONG before its a done deal. Deals like this go through city zoning, city council and tons of other permit/licenes/etc I'm sure.

Just my $0.02... Right or wrong!

[Sargeyork]

Funny, I heard from my former Bother-in-Law that Cabelas was going to build a store at 23 and Gratiot where the Meijer is now, they would tear that down and start fresh.:dizzy:

[Ninja]

Funny, I heard from my former Bother-in-Law that Cabelas was going to build a store at 23 and Gratiot where the Meijer is now, they would tear that down and start fresh.:dizzy:


I heard they were going to build one at M59 and Williams Lake Rd. in Waterford, but they were too scared of the competition that's already there!!! ;)

[michigandeerslayer]

Funny, I heard from my former Bother-in-Law that Cabelas was going to build a store at 23 and Gratiot where the Meijer is now, they would tear that down and start fresh.:dizzy:

I have heard a few things about that corner.... this is a new one though

[MEL]

I heard they were going to build one at M59 and Williams Lake Rd. in Waterford, but they were too scared of the competition that's already there!!! ;)

Proubley be a huge boost for your business. Once the people see that Cabelas dosent have the best prices and that their people can be real dolts
then they will swamp your place to find someone who knows what they are talking about and knows about customer service.
Cabelas??? No thanks.

[bentduck]

I spoke with a friend of a friend who works with the Montana Fish & Game Department and he says Cabella's is literally "buying up the state of Montana". They have bought tens of thousands of acres of land from local ranchers and the land is no longer available for hunting opportunities. (Cabella's is then turning around and selling off the properties after building huge lodges and other "improvements" to a network of deep pocket interests from Chicago etc.) He is really bummed about this because a lot of the land he had permission to hunt before is now gone.

I bring this up because in effect cities like Walker are allowing Cabella's the opportunity to have their cake and eat it too. If Cabella's has this type of cash flow, why all of the concessions to build a store? Like I said earlier... good for Cabellas... I don't blame them for taking advantage of the situation they find themselves in. I am all for free enterprise and they have an absolute brilliant marketing plan but I would not cave in to all of the concessions to make a store in Walker happen. Unless Walker and the state of Michigan is willing to make these types of concessions to every "big box" retail store that comes along I would not play their game JMHO.

[shotgun12]

well you are so lukey to have a cabelas over there,iv been to the one in dundee michigan and they are great, wish we could have one over here cant wait to get back over there, i could spend all day in that place,

[archerjustin]

I can't fathom why anyone would think building a Cabelas is a bad idea for any location. I'd support any big buisness comming to our state. If you havent noticed the tren buisness is leaving. We need as much as we can get right now. Somone mentioned that people are turning down minimum wage jobs because it's not enough. That is disgusting! Lazy people with no drive that sit on their butt and collect an unemployment check rather than working at a job that may have a chance for advancement. I guess I'll just keep working hard to pay my taxes and make sure no one works for lees money that what THEY think they deserve. Sick! Any extra jobs are good jobs. Got to start somewhere. Not saying Cabelas is going to change our economy in Michigan but I do understand that every little bit helps. If you save your pennies you'll eventually have a dollar.

[lang49]

St. Johns is an absolutely terrible location! 127 is a nightmare in that area. Getting to/from St. Johns is a complete pain in the neck....

[rzdrmh]

you've got to be kidding me..

i don't even recognize cabelas as a sporting goods store anymore..

i went down a few months ago..

- asked for a predator calling cd.. i get shown "dvd's" of hunts. i tell them i'm actually looking for some johnny stewart, byron south, etc., calling cd's. they have no such thing..

- their muzzleloading selection is dismal.. i had to buy 300 grain TC shockwaves because they simply didn't have ANY hornady SST's in stock..

- their prices are outrageous.. i understand components are getting expensive, but $3.99/100 winchester 209's?

no.. the vast majority of the store is clothing.. and i can go to a zoo if i want to see animals.

seriously.. i couldn't find a person to help me for the longest time.. but the old ladies trying on purple fleece jackets had two people helping them.. suppose i could bide my time in the restaurant ..

when i got the first edition of their fall catalog this year, i was looking for a leather military sling for my gun.. they didn't have any slings in the first edition.. maybe they were in the second.. i didn't bother to look .. i was disappointed - maybe they could find the space if they eliminated the pages showing bedspreads in 9 different camo patterns, or the "jackalope" mounts..

they carry the same junk as gander mountain, except you have to drive a long ways and pay more.

online shopping is getting to be the only way to get anything..

(i'll admit - they give deals at their sidewalk sales.. or store openings... but i'm not willing to wait for one or two weekends a year for equipment purchases..)

[Rootsy]

you've got to be kidding me..

i don't even recognize cabelas as a sporting goods store anymore..

i went down a few months ago..

- asked for a predator calling cd.. i get shown "dvd's" of hunts. i tell them i'm actually looking for some johnny stewart, byron south, etc., calling cd's. they have no such thing..

- their muzzleloading selection is dismal.. i had to buy 300 grain TC shockwaves because they simply didn't have ANY hornady SST's in stock..

- their prices are outrageous.. i understand components are getting expensive, but $3.99/100 winchester 209's?

no.. the vast majority of the store is clothing.. and i can go to a zoo if i want to see animals.

seriously.. i couldn't find a person to help me for the longest time.. but the old ladies trying on purple fleece jackets had two people helping them.. suppose i could bide my time in the restaurant ..

when i got the first edition of their fall catalog this year, i was looking for a leather military sling for my gun.. they didn't have any slings in the first edition.. maybe they were in the second.. i didn't bother to look .. i was disappointed - maybe they could find the space if they eliminated the pages showing bedspreads in 9 different camo patterns, or the "jackalope" mounts..

they carry the same junk as gander mountain, except you have to drive a long ways and pay more.

online shopping is getting to be the only way to get anything..

(i'll admit - they give deals at their sidewalk sales.. or store openings... but i'm not willing to wait for one or two weekends a year for equipment purchases..)

Turner makes probably the best 1907 sling I've ever used... you can find them online, or at midway, brownells, etc...

http://turnersling.com/miva/merchant.mvc

Don't even get me started on cabelas pricing and selection... besides they can't even come close to matching dealer / trade pricing I get from Midway and Brownells on many things... that 03 FFL has paid for itself 10 times over...