Rude awakening at 3:00am

[archerjustin]

Last night I let my dog out at around 2:00am as sometimes he whines if he needs to "go out". I woke up at 3:00am to him frantically scratching and jumping at the porch door to my bedroom. I let him in, in the dark, so I didn't see anything but noticed he was acting funny. I flipped on the light to see a snout full of quills! After a trip to the vet - bless those guys for comming in at 3:30am - and a few bucks later he is okay. Bummer was I had a trip to Cabelas planned with my brother in law this morning. With the wife going to work, and the pooch still not walking straight I decided to stay with my buddy and pass on the trip to the greatest place in the world. So now my full attention is on "getting rid" of the animals that are harrassing my dog (maybe it's the other way around). He has been sprayed by a skunk twice, tore up by a raccoon or possum and now nailed by a porcupine! My .17 HMR is loaded and ready! I have two live traps. What's the best bait?!

[steveh27]

Seems like dog is the best bait in your area. Just kidding, glad to hear the pup is doing OK & I would have stayed home with him too.

[T4HALO]

Sure am glad your buddy is ok. Hope he fully recovers.

[slowpoke]

Try sardeens.

[tallbear]

Dog food with some bacon grease on it.

[wally-eye]

I can guarantee if you try some pickled herring in your live trap you'll get em...................kind of expensive but it works the best...........bad thing is you'll also catch cats, coon, grinners, skunks and quill pigs.......but you'll get em all......

[withgrace]

Try tuna. Its cheap and works good.

[theredmission]

Peanut Butter and Marshmallows

[doughman]

I too was going to say DOG but with this Mike VIck thing going on that wouldn't be very funny, on a serious note I second the tuna thing, smell it for miles catches everything, even neighbors cats.

Marv

By the way I cuahgt a mommoa coon and transplanted her 4 miles away, and she was back with babies, 3 days later, my lab got the babies and then almost got attached by momma, terminate em if you get em cuz they come back.

[wally-eye]

Marv

By the way I cuahgt a mommoa coon and transplanted her 4 miles away, and she was back with babies, 3 days later, my lab got the babies and then almost got attached by momma, terminate em if you get em cuz they come back.[/quote]



:Protest_e:shhh: Might not want to do that "again". Just say no to transplanting....kind of illegal.

[Linda G.]

That was probably a different coon, I'll bet. I once set out a heavy live trap, one of the really big iron ones, in front of a johnny house I had filled with quail and caught 32 coons before I finally got tired of baiting the trap. That's how many coons there can be in just one small area.

And no, you're not supposed to move wildlife, unless they're dead and you have the proper licensing.

Another thing I gotta comment on, and I bet a lot of other people would like to, as well...to the guy who's dog had the rough night.

Was this in your fenced back yard? Was your dog in his kennel, or, at least, on a chain?

I sure hope so...I read where the dog wants out at 2, then you wake up at 3...and the dog was outside, completely loose, all that time??? I sure hope not. Cause up here your dog wouldn't have a chance, he'd be breakfast for coyotes in that time.

That's if he survived my neighbors, who don't like dogs running deer, and therefore, think every loose dog is running deer...especially in the dead of night.

Please tell me that dog was in your fenced back yard when this happened. That the porcupine climbed the fence...

If not, try going out with your dog in the middle of the night, with him on a leash. That will stop all of your fears about skunks, porkies, etc., in the middle of the night. Or put him in a kennel or at least, on a chain.

[john warren]

not sure if that better or worse then mine waking me at 4 am to go out for a skunk bath....

[archerjustin]

That was probably a different coon, I'll bet. I once set out a heavy live trap, one of the really big iron ones, in front of a johnny house I had filled with quail and caught 32 coons before I finally got tired of baiting the trap. That's how many coons there can be in just one small area.

And no, you're not supposed to move wildlife, unless they're dead and you have the proper licensing.

Another thing I gotta comment on, and I bet a lot of other people would like to, as well...to the guy who's dog had the rough night.

Was this in your fenced back yard? Was your dog in his kennel, or, at least, on a chain?

I sure hope so...I read where the dog wants out at 2, then you wake up at 3...and the dog was outside, completely loose, all that time??? I sure hope not. Cause up here your dog wouldn't have a chance, he'd be breakfast for coyotes in that time.

That's if he survived my neighbors, who don't like dogs running deer, and therefore, think every loose dog is running deer...especially in the dead of night.

Please tell me that dog was in your fenced back yard when this happened. That the porcupine climbed the fence...

If not, try going out with your dog in the middle of the night, with him on a leash. That will stop all of your fears about skunks, porkies, etc., in the middle of the night. Or put him in a kennel or at least, on a chain.

Weird?!

[chriscarlzimmer]

I have found that just regular cat food mixed with some corn works great for Coons, But I can really see were tuna can come in handy.

[Linda G.]

You think MY post was weird?? Doesn't anyone think letting a dog out at 2 in the morning, loose, is weird?? Not to mention asking for trouble??

Well, guess, what...in 99.9% of Michigan, it's illegal, unless the dog is contained in some way-it's called dog running at large.

You can't let a dog out without a leash or some sort of containment unless he is under your direct control...and when you go back to bed after letting the dog out, unless he's on a leash, chain or in a fenced back yard, he is NOT under your direct control...

And yet everyone wants to offer baits...I'll offer one, don't need to bother with all of your cures-put a bag of garbage with lots of day old food out-you'll have LOTS of wildlife...

geese.... :dizzy:

[Zofchak]

I let my dog outside unleashed all the time:). That being said I live in a somewhat rural area and just about every neighbor does the same thing. She's been sprayed once or twice in ten years, and nipped a time or two by coyotes, but nothing serious. I would think it would be worse if they were chained and less able to defend themselves.:confused:

[archerjustin]

I let my dog outside unleashed all the time:). That being said I live in a somewhat rural area and just about every neighbor does the same thing. She's been sprayed once or twice in ten years, and nipped a time or two by coyotes, but nothing serious. I would think it would be worse if they were chained and less able to defend themselves.:confused:

My thoughts exactly.

[archerjustin]

You think MY post was weird?? Doesn't anyone think letting a dog out at 2 in the morning, loose, is weird?? Not to mention asking for trouble??

Well, guess, what...in 99.9% of Michigan, it's illegal, unless the dog is contained in some way-it's called dog running at large.

You can't let a dog out without a leash or some sort of containment unless he is under your direct control...and when you go back to bed after letting the dog out, unless he's on a leash, chain or in a fenced back yard, he is NOT under your direct control...

And yet everyone wants to offer baits...I'll offer one, don't need to bother with all of your cures-put a bag of garbage with lots of day old food out-you'll have LOTS of wildlife...

geese.... :dizzy:

Where I come from everyone has dogs and no one keeps them on a leash. Infact other than the city I don't know of anyone who chains thier dog. I do have 3 acres of underground invisifence to keep him from running deer but I'll assure you I am one of only a few in the whole town that has one. Seems cruel to have a dog if you are going to chain him.

[clattin]

Kind of off-topic, but I've heard you can just use some mineral oil on the dog and the quills will come out pretty easily saving a trip (in the middle of the night no less) to the vet. Never had to do it myself, but have heard that its the way to get quills out.

Chris

[peppino]

mc donalds cheese burgers

[wagoneer]

Where I come from everyone has dogs and no one keeps them on a leash. Infact other than the city I don't know of anyone who chains thier dog. I do have 3 acres of underground invisifence to keep him from running deer but I'll assure you I am one of only a few in the whole town that has one. Seems cruel to have a dog if you are going to chain him.

I do think allowing an inside dog to roam free for an hour at night is often going to end up with run-ins with critters. Where I grew up, everyone had dogs on the farm, but they are outside all the time and they either learned to avoid problems or they got replaced. There were no 4 am runs to the vet and no missing anything to stay home with them. They were just dogs...

That being said, your dog sounds he is 'contained' somewhat by training or an invisible fence. Without this you'd be surprised how far a dog will go in the middle of the night.

Either way, I think a little live-trapping and shooting should help with the problem. Porkies are trouble no matter where they are! Unfortunately, I have not found the perfect bait to get them in yet.

[kolarchi]

Wow I am surprised your dog has gotten into so many critters. One would think everything would be perfectly normal letting him out unleashed at 2:00am.

[archerjustin]

It's kind of funny how everyone has their opinions about dogs. Some people are aphauled that I would let a dog out at 2am. Others, like me, sometimes have to piss in the middle of the night and realize our dogs may need to sometimes! I grew up with dogs and we treated them all the same. They were outside most of the day and at night they would come inside to be with the family. Different strokes for different folks! This whole thing has actually gotten me a little target practice, and our critter problem is starting to get under controll! By the way Tuna is the way to go for bait, brings everything in.

[Skinner 2]

I agree Linda with your thoughts!

Let the dog out and watch him. IF not then put him in a fenced run if you need sleep that bad.

Skinner 2

[steveh27]

People who let their dogs run loose are either uncaring or unknowledgable. They either don't care about their dogs trespassing on others land & potentially causing problems, & don't care about the animals they may kill, & don't care about the welfare of their supposed 'best friend'; or they don't realize the problems of loose dogs in the country.

It's arrogant to believe that because they live in a rural area they have a 'right' to let their dogs run. Wrong! It is illegal almost everywhere. That said I agree many people do it. We need to change that attitude. Many people used to snag salmon & it's taken decades to change that attitude with law enforcement applied.

Please show some consideration for others (& your dog) & don't let your dogs run loose without your direct observation & control.

[Socks]

People who let their dogs run loose are either uncaring or unknowledgable. They either don't care about their dogs trespassing on others land & potentially causing problems, & don't care about the animals they may kill, & don't care about the welfare of their supposed 'best friend'; or they don't realize the problems of loose dogs in the country.

It's arrogant to believe that because they live in a rural area they have a 'right' to let their dogs run. Wrong! It is illegal almost everywhere. That said I agree many people do it. We need to change that attitude. Many people used to snag salmon & it's taken decades to change that attitude with law enforcement applied.

Please show some consideration for others (& your dog) & don't let your dogs run loose without your direct observation & control.


Man that's going too far. Who are you to judge this guy and how much he does or doesn't care about his dog? Do you know how much land he owns? Maybe he owns several acres, YOU don't know. My cousin owned a little dog on my Uncle's farm. I can guarantee that dog never stepped foot off their property. You're right about one thing, I don't care about the skunks, moles, ground hogs my dog would kill if they were a problem on MY property.

Funny, I think it's arrogant to think that it's automatically illegal to let a dog run loose in the country just because that's the way you want it and think it should be. Also, how is snaggin salmon the same as letting your dog out to use the bathroom at night?:dizzy: That's the same as saying because I work for a living that makes someone else poor. Your argument deals with outdoor issues where as mine deals with money. While they are both on the same subject they're not related and can not be used as a rational argument. Also, where is "almost everywhere"? Is it in the cities, where a law such as that is probably necessary? Is it the vast majority of land that isn't developed in the country? I think it's where most dogs are and that would be where the most people are. The cities, so there your argument could be valid if it weren't for the fact that I think you're projecting your values onto the situation.

Please show some consideration for a guy who just wanted some information and some help to take care of a problem he has and not you. He obviously cares for his dog if he's willing to go to the E-vet at 3:30 in the morning and drop a lot of money on that. Oh, and don't think that he could have avoided that by not letting his dog out, because his dog is that, a dog. It couldn't have told him "I need to go to the bathroom" or "I want to go get that animals that is in my territory." Yep, no one should let their dog out at night to go pee unless they walk the entire property line first.:rolleyes: Besides, even if he was out there the dog probably would have went after it anyways.

[Socks]

You know what? I just realized I wasted my time with my last post because I'm obviously not going to get anywhere with someone who I think are anti's on the site. The two post before me hadn't filled out their profiles, which doesn't mean they are anti's, and the slant of their posts. Oh well, to each their own I suppose. I guess they can keep charging windmills if they want.

[steveh27]

Socks,

You need to reread my post. I never said anything directly about this guy & his poor dog. I have great sympathy towards them both due to its injury. I've owned 3 dogs in my life (They actually owned me.) My comment wasn't meant to be against this man, but was a reply to the other posts which seemed to say they had a right to let their dogs run loose (& go on others property, etc.). It doesn't matter how much land one owns if the dog is out of the owners control. Loose rural dogs can form packs & run for miles.

Everyone has a right to let their dog loose in rural areas as long as they are under the owners direct control. That doesn't happen when they're let run without the owner. I'm an avid outdoorsman, hunter & angler. I've had deer hunts ruined by loose dogs running.

Illegal? You better check. Most rural areas do have laws against dogs running loose, out of the owners control. Do some research. Check the township ordinances. If the dog stays on the owners property it should be OK. But how do you know that, if it's not under observation?

Dogs that gotta pee at night need to have the owner watch them (can be through the window), be in a fenced in area or on a rope, chain, whatever. Show some consideration for the neighbors, wildlife & the dog.

I think I'm probably wasting my time with this post as some people just don't care about others. Living in a rural area comes with certain responsibilities as does dog ownership.

That said I again have great sympathy for the owner & dog & hope it's healing well. One of my dogs almost had a run in with a porcupine while bird hunting. Luckily I was close & able to call the dog off before she got it.

[Socks]

Steveh27

You're right. The dogs shouldn't be going onto others properties, but you don't know that his is doing that just the same that I don't know that his dog isn't. I had a doberman when I was a kid that never left the yard unless I took her out of it on a leash.

As for the legality of the dog running loose. I imagine it does matter where you live, but that's the key where they live.

As for letting the dog pee at night even if you kept an eye on the dog I doubt you could call it off before it got ahold of something if you're inside the house. I just don't see a problem here if the dog stays in the yard and doesnt' bark and there's enough distance between your property and your neighbors. The obvious problem is your dog could get hurt and that's ufortunate, but your dog can get hurt walking in the woods with you. I'm not saying "Oh well, dogs get hurt all the time so don't worry about it.", but there's nothing wrong with trying to minimize the risk. You are right in that the risk can be minimize by going out with the dog, but it won't eliminate it.

You are right there are responsibilities with living in rural areas. Unfortunately my Uncle has to dispatch several dogs and cats every now and then because people drop their unwanted pets off at his small farm thinking that he has need or room since it's a farm. It's such a problem that he can't afford the gas money or the time to drop them all off at the shelter. Its become a chore for him and during certain periods of the year he has to wait until there's just too many and he has to spend a whole day doing it, otherwise he ends up dispatching them everyday. People are people and sometime they just don't always do what they should.

Joe

[steveh27]

Hey Joe,

Thanks for the courteous reply. I was expecting to get flamed. Nice to have a conversation with you.

Steve

[Skinner 2]

The problem lies here in. The dog in question is a house dog. NOT an outside dog that roams the property. Wild animals are not kept at a distance because they are not fully aware a dog is there. Far as their concerned the dog signs are also from passing through.

So the wild animals come in search for food/wandering trough. The dog is left out and the area is not watched. Dog sees wild animals and what ever happenes, happens. Chances are had the dog been watched the porky would have been spotted and the dog stopped before anything drastic happened.

At home I have a fenced in yard in a city. I do not watch my lab during the day, At night I watch him all the time since skunks, grinners and coon pass through. Actually even during the day he is not out alone very often. When he needs to go out and relieve himself it only takes about 3 minutes because that is how he was trained. So was my previous lab.

At my 60 acres the dog is NOT leashed nor allowed to roam free unattended. When he is outside eyes are always upon him.

Odd it's Ok to let dogs run free but many sportsmen condem cats running free. Personally I have never heard of house cats running deer, but they get the bad rap.

Far as profiles go, if not filling one out makes me viewed as an anti then so be it. Perhaps I just didn't feel like doing so nor cared too!

Skinner

[Socks]

The two post before me hadn't filled out their profiles, which doesn't mean they are anti's, and the slant of their posts. Oh well, to each their own I suppose.


Hey Joe,

Thanks for the courteous reply. I was expecting to get flamed. Nice to have a conversation with you.

Steve

Steve,
No problem. I'm almost always open to having a conversation because it just means people are thinking for themselves and trying to understand things.



At home I have a fenced in yard in a city. I do not watch my lab during the day, At night I watch him all the time since skunks, grinners and coon pass through. Actually even during the day he is not out alone very often. When he needs to go out and relieve himself it only takes about 3 minutes because that is how he was trained. So was my previous lab.

At my 60 acres the dog is NOT leashed nor allowed to roam free unattended. When he is outside eyes are always upon him.


Far as profiles go, if not filling one out makes me viewed as an anti then so be it. Perhaps I just didn't feel like doing so nor cared too!

Skinner

Skinner, that's why I added the disclaimer about not filling out the profile doesn't make you or anyone else an anti(see above). That's just what I was thinking at the time. It appears I was wrong and if I am I appologize. My hackles just got up because it seemed like there started to be a pile on about, IMO, how the guy should do this or do that. I'm glad that you always have your dog under control, but I don't think that letting your dog loose in the country and not keeping an eye on it every second is wrong either. Again, that's just my opinion and sometimes it ain't worth a lot.:)

[Direwolfe]

Not to get back on the thread, but...

Most of the baits mentioned above seem to be directed towards raccoons. Some are suggested as being for a range of animal types (including porcupines). I'm interested in trapping porcupines with minimum collateral trapping. Any suggestions? I've read that a salt solution is a good bait for porcupine, but had no luck with it.

[Skinner 2]

Not to get back on the thread, but...

Most of the baits mentioned above seem to be directed towards raccoons. Some are suggested as being for a range of animal types (including porcupines). I'm interested in trapping porcupines with minimum collateral trapping. Any suggestions? I've read that a salt solution is a good bait for porcupine, but had no luck with it.

I caught a couple porkies in muskrat float sets using apple for bait.

Socks,
No problem. I read that the first time. I was just stating why I never filled the profile out. My intent was not to pile on the guy for letting his dog out. I just tried to say expect that kind of stuff when a house dog is not watched.

Dogs are like little kids. Let them go long enough unwatched and they will get into trouble. I have been around dogs that were sprayed by skunks ( none mine) and every one was a city house dog let out while on vacation up north and not watched. LOL.

Now I did have a coon hound that though porkies would be fun...THAT hunt ended up at the vets at 3am and the dog did learn his lesson.

Wild animals will avoid a free ranging farm/yard dog, or know the dogs limits. This cannot be said for a house dog as their paths may not cross for a long time. Case inpoint. We had a hound in a kennel and a feral cat would walk just outside the kennel like he owned the place. THe dog would go nuts barking and trying to get the cat. The cat would leave only after we chased it away. Well one day while doing some yard work the hound was running free in the yard. The dog tired and went to his kennel to take a rest. Along came the cat and walked around the kennel. The dog must have known his chance was about to be had. When the cat hit the open gate the dog made his move. The cat never even flinched since he had done the same thing many times before. The cat never had a chance to make that mistake again. Coon grinners, cats squirrels and what ever will learn their way around free roaming dogs.
I just feel if a person does not want a dog to tangle with a coon, skunk, or what ever then they should be watched if at all possible or trained not too.

Skinner

[Socks]

I caught a couple porkies in muskrat float sets using apple for bait.

Socks,
No problem. I read that the first time. I was just stating why I never filled the profile out. My intent was not to pile on the guy for letting his dog out. I just tried to say expect that kind of stuff when a house dog is not watched.

Dogs are like little kids. Let them go long enough unwatched and they will get into trouble. I have been around dogs that were sprayed by skunks ( none mine) and every one was a city house dog let out while on vacation up north and not watched. LOL.

Now I did have a coon hound that though porkies would be fun...THAT hunt ended up at the vets at 3am and the dog did learn his lesson.

Wild animals will avoid a free ranging farm/yard dog, or know the dogs limits. This cannot be said for a house dog as their paths may not cross for a long time. Case inpoint. We had a hound in a kennel and a feral cat would walk just outside the kennel like he owned the place. THe dog would go nuts barking and trying to get the cat. The cat would leave only after we chased it away. Well one day while doing some yard work the hound was running free in the yard. The dog tired and went to his kennel to take a rest. Along came the cat and walked around the kennel. The dog must have known his chance was about to be had. When the cat hit the open gate the dog made his move. The cat never even flinched since he had done the same thing many times before. The cat never had a chance to make that mistake again. Coon grinners, cats squirrels and what ever will learn their way around free roaming dogs.
I just feel if a person does not want a dog to tangle with a coon, skunk, or what ever then they should be watched if at all possible or trained not too.

Skinner

I can agree with that.

[Jasperman]

I had a neighbor about 10 years ago in farm country that came to my house one day and he was very sad. He said another neighbor shot his dog because it was on the other neighbor's property. Funny thing is, he wasn't mad at the other neighbor. Didn't blame him. Blamed himself...


As for my take on it? I get pretty angry about the fact that I don't currently have a dog, but I have to clean up a lot of dog pooh out of my yard. I'd like to ask all the dog owners in my neighborhood how many times a day they think their dog poohs and how many times THEY cleaned up any!

But the one that really chaps my ***** is when the cats use my children's sandbox as a litter box. GRRRRR! That's nasty!! And I hated cats before...

[archerjustin]

People who let their dogs run loose are either uncaring or unknowledgable. They either don't care about their dogs trespassing on others land & potentially causing problems, & don't care about the animals they may kill, & don't care about the welfare of their supposed 'best friend'; or they don't realize the problems of loose dogs in the country.

It's arrogant to believe that because they live in a rural area they have a 'right' to let their dogs run. Wrong! It is illegal almost everywhere. That said I agree many people do it. We need to change that attitude. Many people used to snag salmon & it's taken decades to change that attitude with law enforcement applied.

Please show some consideration for others (& your dog) & don't let your dogs run loose without your direct observation & control.

You should read the whole thread!! My dog has never stepped foot off my property. I installed a $1200.00 underground fence to keep him in. How's that for consideration! My dog is also ouside more often than he is in. He is not a typical house dog.

[archerjustin]

Man that's going too far. Who are you to judge this guy and how much he does or doesn't care about his dog? Do you know how much land he owns? Maybe he owns several acres, YOU don't know. My cousin owned a little dog on my Uncle's farm. I can guarantee that dog never stepped foot off their property. You're right about one thing, I don't care about the skunks, moles, ground hogs my dog would kill if they were a problem on MY property.

Funny, I think it's arrogant to think that it's automatically illegal to let a dog run loose in the country just because that's the way you want it and think it should be. Also, how is snaggin salmon the same as letting your dog out to use the bathroom at night?:dizzy: That's the same as saying because I work for a living that makes someone else poor. Your argument deals with outdoor issues where as mine deals with money. While they are both on the same subject they're not related and can not be used as a rational argument. Also, where is "almost everywhere"? Is it in the cities, where a law such as that is probably necessary? Is it the vast majority of land that isn't developed in the country? I think it's where most dogs are and that would be where the most people are. The cities, so there your argument could be valid if it weren't for the fact that I think you're projecting your values onto the situation.

Please show some consideration for a guy who just wanted some information and some help to take care of a problem he has and not you. He obviously cares for his dog if he's willing to go to the E-vet at 3:30 in the morning and drop a lot of money on that. Oh, and don't think that he could have avoided that by not letting his dog out, because his dog is that, a dog. It couldn't have told him "I need to go to the bathroom" or "I want to go get that animals that is in my territory." Yep, no one should let their dog out at night to go pee unless they walk the entire property line first.:rolleyes: Besides, even if he was out there the dog probably would have went after it anyways.

Thanks Socks. It's hard for me to take any of this critisism as I've lived my whole life with dogs and because I do love and respect them I don't chain them up. In 26 years of owning dogs I've had maybe 5-6 problems with wild animals, and zero complaints of dogs running on other peoples property. i've actually never seen any of my dogs outside my property line. They have all been trained well. This thread did get a little turned around but that OK. I've learned now that things get heated when you tallk about, religion, politics...and dogs! Still avent got that porky, but I'm doing well with the skunks and racoons!

[Linda G.]

ok, let's see, you have an invisible fence and the dog was in your yard.

Great. At least you finally explained that much.

BUT, if you went outside with the dog, even if it IS 3 in the morning, you won't have problems with wild animals.

You might try leaving a yard light on, too...

Sheese, all of this for what is a really pretty obvious solution.

[archerjustin]

ok, let's see, you have an invisible fence and the dog was in your yard.

Great. At least you finally explained that much.

BUT, if you went outside with the dog, even if it IS 3 in the morning, you won't have problems with wild animals.

You might try leaving a yard light on, too...

Sheese, all of this for what is a really pretty obvious solution.

Unbelievable! I always turn our porch light on when I let the dog out. But that light doesn't illuminate the entire yard! Also if you think by me stepping outside to watch my dog sh!% is going to keep animals away your sadly mistaken. If an animal is going to hold it's ground when a dog is running after it, it's not going to run when it hears me step outside either. Besides, I don't know about you, but my dog is a little faster than I am so if he wants to attack an animal, he'll probably get there first. I could tie him to a leash but I also don't think he wants to poo 4' away from me with me starring at him! Would you? Look, I treat my dog very good and he wants for nothing. Feed him good food, he has room to run, the family loves him, etc. I wrote a thread asking for advice on how to trap a porqupine, not on how I should treat my dog. If I saw that porky out my window while the dog was inside I'd write the same thread! The only thing that is obvious to me is that you havent read the whole thread or you would've known a while ago that he is contained to my yard, and you must have way too much time on your hands if you want to go outside at 3 am to watch your dog drop a duece!

[8nchuck]

I don't know how you can bait them. Maybe use a shovel handle. They used to chew mine up LOL. We had labs and the one would get in to porcupines when we were pat hunting or out walking in the woods. They never seemed to learn, at least Inky didn't. One of the few times I saw my old man cry was when he had to pull quills out of the throat of the dog. We had standing orders to shoot them on site.

I swear if a 12 pt ran by him with a porcupine, he shoot the porcupine.

I would just use some corn and the .17 HMR.

I used to go to a website called "WWW. all outdoors. com" It was a cool website with a place called the Coffee Shop forum. It was cool until they changed it into a STARBUCKs. I could not figure out why Linda G seemed familiar Then it struck me "That" web site, she was a moderator. They are now defunct - .

[moon]

My dog is an outside dog. He only comes in when wolves are narowing in on him. He never leaves the yard. He doesn't chase deer or cars. He used to keep deer and other animals out of the garden by just his presents but now the animals realize he's no threat. i live 15 minutes from the nearest village and over a mile from my nearest nieghbor. I do tie him up during hunting season just incase he freakishly leaves the yard.

[Linda G.]

I only wish I'd had something to do with the demise of Alloutdoors. They did themselves in all by themselves quite nicely, thank you, leaving the rest of us on unenjoyment, some 125 of us, while they all trotted off to wreak havoc somewhere else.

Just hope it doesn't happen to you someday. And that someone on a public forum doesn't insinuate that it was your fault. Not that this has anything to do with people who don't seem to understand how to turn an outside light on or why they should maybe go outside with their dogs late at night-it doesn't. Must be a friend of yours or something, huh? Must be for you to start taking personal shots like that.

Btw, since then I've been the moderator of five other forums, all having to do with the outdoors. Those got shut down for fear it was infringing on subscriptions to their paper-they were, the Internet is the future, and they were scared of it. I got fired, along with a good number of other people, and a whole lot of people who really enjoyed those forums were out of luck. I could handle being fired for sticking up for the forums and those who enjoyed them, but it was always hard to take, and still is, to lose the friendships started on those forums.

But a lot of those people are still in contact with me all the time on other forums, including this one.

Obviously, you weren't one of them.

[swmfdotcom]

What's the best bait?!




Your dog!:lol:

[Linda G.]

Ok, just read your last response.

I give up...obviously, you've never learned Dog Owner Responsibility 101, which, sorry, yes, does often entail walking outside with the dog on a leash at 3 a.m. if the dog has to go, wild animals regularly invade, and the dog can't be trained to avoid said animals.

You have several options-housetrain the dog to make it through the night, train it to avoid everything it encounters, put the dog in a contained kennel outside, or get used to being outside in the middle of the night.

That's dogownership 101. Can't handle that, get used to dealing with skunks and quills. I live up north, and have a young dog that I went outside with in the middle of the night in the middle of the winter every single night until he was housetrained. That's what you do when you own a dog.

[Reel_Screamer86]

Last night I let my dog out at around 2:00am as sometimes he whines if he needs to "go out". I woke up at 3:00am to him frantically scratching and jumping at the porch door to my bedroom. I let him in, in the dark, so I didn't see anything but noticed he was acting funny. I flipped on the light to see a snout full of quills! After a trip to the vet - bless those guys for comming in at 3:30am - and a few bucks later he is okay. Bummer was I had a trip to Cabelas planned with my brother in law this morning. With the wife going to work, and the pooch still not walking straight I decided to stay with my buddy and pass on the trip to the greatest place in the world. So now my full attention is on "getting rid" of the animals that are harrassing my dog (maybe it's the other way around). He has been sprayed by a skunk twice, tore up by a raccoon or possum and now nailed by a porcupine! My .17 HMR is loaded and ready! I have two live traps. What's the best bait?!

The best bait if i was you is "LEAD"......:lol::lol:

[Reel_Screamer86]

Last night I let my dog out at around 2:00am as sometimes he whines if he needs to "go out". I woke up at 3:00am to him frantically scratching and jumping at the porch door to my bedroom. I let him in, in the dark, so I didn't see anything but noticed he was acting funny. I flipped on the light to see a snout full of quills! After a trip to the vet - bless those guys for comming in at 3:30am - and a few bucks later he is okay. Bummer was I had a trip to Cabelas planned with my brother in law this morning. With the wife going to work, and the pooch still not walking straight I decided to stay with my buddy and pass on the trip to the greatest place in the world. So now my full attention is on "getting rid" of the animals that are harrassing my dog (maybe it's the other way around). He has been sprayed by a skunk twice, tore up by a raccoon or possum and now nailed by a porcupine! My .17 HMR is loaded and ready! I have two live traps. What's the best bait?!

The best bait if i was you is "LEAD"......:lol::lol:

[CL-Lewiston]

Transplanting is illegal but for those that do:

give the critter a swatch of spray paint on the back/tail. Use whatever can you have setting around. Friend said neighbor told him "I have this squirrel with a blue tail at the feeder...."

[FREEPOP]

Dog Owner Responsibility 101

Is this a real class or another imaginary resposibility??

Oh the drama :rolleyes:

[archerjustin]

My dog is house trained. He is 4. I did go outside with him untill he was housetrained. I leave lights on when he goes out now, it's not often that he needs to at 3:00am. In four years of his life he has gotten into trouble 3 times. Two skunks and a porqupine. The second time with the skunk wasn't bad, we could barely smell it on him. Maybe he kept his distance. You have not told me any new news. Nothing. I know you think you are knowledgeable on the subject for whatever reason, but I asked a simple question about bait - nothing more. Since you can't answer that question why did you respond to my thread? You don't know me or my dog. Try not to berate me on how I handle my dog and maybe more people, including myself would respect you and your opinions more. I live in a real world where one day children grow up and live thier own lives, make thier own decisions and god forbit get into a few sticky situations. Parents do not, and cannot, watch thier children throughout thier entire lives. My dog is trained and I don't feel it is neccessary to keep and eye on him 24-7, much like children as they get older. He got into a little trouble and me and my .17HMR will fix the problem. As for taking classes, maybe "people in need of a little class 101" has an opening for you.

[TrekJeff]

As far as the dog running unattended at night... there's so many variables that people don't really so, so why debate a non issue. My lab get free run of the range when we head up to the back 40. If someone wants to come tell me to put him on the leash, I just tell them they are trespassing and to go put their own leash back on. Keep in mind, when it's deer season, he does get the leash treatment, he hates it, but as others have posted, I have had dogs run under my treestand in the past. I'm not one of the shoot them dogs running deer kinda guys, but it sure pissed me off, especially when I knew who's dogs they were.

Now when he's home in the city, he's on a outside chainrun or in the house. No running loose. Don't need him meeting up with a car or a kid etc. But he knows when the truck doors open after that hour and half ride, it's play time for him.

As far as the stickpig, make sure you shoot that thing. Dogs carry the revenge factor when it comes to those. They want to get even and get that critter. So until you shoot him, Fido will go looking to get some payback.
My pup came back with the sticker gotee three times before I got the pincushion

did I say something about a non-issue..lol:SHOCKED:.

[JC Keith]

archerjustin:

Its been almost a month, any luck with the porky?


JC

[estack]

we've had labs for 25 years on the same propertly, baiscally same neighbors, and the same circumstances. not one has every been sprayed or hurt by nething. not one has left the property. they go out UNATTENDED when they want. may times i go out with them so i can play w/ her and run her, but i dont have to worry about them being out there if i am inside

[Hoppe's no.10]

Fish esp. sardines.

Hoppe's no. 10