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Hamilton Reef
08-14-2007, 02:13 PM
Is 20 the new 30? Salmon healthy, plentiful despite smaller fish

http://www.ludingtondailynews.com/news.php?story_id=37174

08/14/07 JOE BOOMGAARD - DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
jboomgaard@ludingtondailynews.com 843-1122, ext. 309

Salmon fishing on Lake Michigan has been starting to heat up in recent weeks, and most anglers are not having a problem catching numbers of fish. What they aren’t seeing are fish growing to the familiar trophy size they’ve come to expect in the past years.

Fisheries biologists are quick to point out, however, that doesn’t make the salmon fishery unhealthy.

“We’ve been cautioning people with regard to salmon sizes — it’s difficult to say average size is an indicator of healthy salmon,” said Randy Claramunt, Department of Natural Resources fisheries research biologist based in Charlevoix.

“Our best thought right now, and we don’t have a lot of data, is that we had good ’05 and ’06 year classes, but maybe not a good ’04 year class,” said Mark Tonello, a Department of Natural Resources fisheries biologist. “People are catching a lot of small kings. A 20-pound king is a rare fish this year. There are guys bringing in big boxes, but they’re all smaller fish.”

In this year’s Gander Mountain Offshore Classic, only two fish barely surpassed the 20-pound mark.

“We’ve been getting some nice kings, with the average being a 12- or 15-pound fish,” said Capt. Tracey Laaksonen of Finn Wonder. “A few years back we’d get the 30-pounders, but now, when you push 20, you’ve got a good fish.”

In fact, no fisherman in Michigan has even reported catching a Master Angler-size Chinook, coho or rainbow trout through press time, although entries often trickle in throughout the end of the year. From Lake Michigan in 2006, 13 anglers reported catching salmon weighing either 27 pounds or heavier or 41 inches or longer in Lake Michigan; two anglers reported catching coho salmon 12 pounds or heavier or 32 inches or longer; and two fishermen reported catching rainbow trout — commonly known as steelhead — 17 pounds or heavier or 37 inches or longer.

Of the 13 Master Angler entries from Lake Michigan in 2006, 11 were submitted in the month of August. In total, 18 Master Angler-qualifying Chinook salmon were caught from Lake Michigan or Lake Michigan tributaries in 2006. Most river entries were caught in September and October.

Capt. George Freeman of Free Style said his biggest fish this year was a 22-pounder, compared to a 28.8-pound king last year.

“But they’re very healthy,” Freeman said. “The meat is a nice bright color and they’ve got alewives in their stomachs. It’s just about a carbon copy of last year. What they lack in size, they make up in quantity. They’re fighting good, and they’re just good, healthy fish. I’ve got no complaints here.”

Tonello agreed the salmon this year are about the same size as last year; fishermen just have not been able to find any big fish. “The number of big fish are down,” he said.

Capt. Jim Fenner of Pequod II and president of the Ludington Area Charterboat Association said he, too, thinks the fish are about the same size as they were last year, but smaller than they were four to five years ago. The 30 pounders of the past have been replaced with many 20 pounders.

“They’re very healthy and scrappy, and we’re seeing quite a lot of bait in the water,” Fenner said. “We’re seeing some with some big alewives in them, and the females have a good amount of eggs. We’re just not seeing the 30 pounders we did four and five years ago.”

Claramunt said the cyclical nature of predator-prey numbers in Lake Michigan accounts trends in Chinook growth rates. When the alewife population is healthy with a strong year class, Chinook salmon typically follow suit in the next year or two.

Claramunt collaborates with the U.S. Geological Survey in a hydroacoustic survey to gauge the numbers of young alewife and smelt in the lake. He said the 2006 year class was better than the 2005 year class, which might account for the strong numbers of one- and two-year-old salmon.

The status of the 2007 year class of alewives has yet to be officially determined, but he said the initial indicators are not pointing toward a strong class.

“We surveyed the northeast part of the lake and didn’t see any young-of-the-year alewives,” Claramunt said.

When the alewives show up in the northeastern portion of the lake, he said he can usually bet on a good year class.

“We always see them in the southern offshore zone,” he said, “but we haven’t seen young-of-the-year alewife up here yet. The early indication is that ’07 is not that strong either. But I’m cautious because we haven’t gotten through the survey yet this year.”

Claramunt said the research vessel will be in Ludington by the end of the week as it makes the trek down the coast.

“Our assumption is that the ’05 year class of alewife was relatively strong compared to the ’03 and ’04 year classes,” Claramunt said. “We’d expect to see good survival of Chinook for one to two years after that. We might have a lot of strong fish, but small fish. Maybe we don’t have many 3- to 4-year-olds in the lake right now following the ’03 and ’04 year-class of alewife, but it’s hard to conclusively say that.”

Claramunt credits fisheries managers across the Lake Michigan basin for reducing the numbers of salmon planted in the lake to account for the recent weak year classes of alewife. The reasoning behind the cuts were to better balance the predator-prey relationship to help prevent a population crash like Lake Huron experienced.

“The managers made the right move,” he said.

A better indication of fish health than average size, according to Claramunt, is the growth rate per year-class of fish. Creel clerks across the state have been collecting scale samples from fish caught throughout the lake, but the scientists have yet to age the fish. That data might provide them with a better idea of the age structure of the fish in the lake.

“With all the press about how bad Lake Michigan is, it actually is doing quite well,” said Jory Jonas, a fisheries research biologist based in Charlevoix. “There’s been all of this alarmist stuff out there without the data to support a crash in Lake Michigan, but we are seeing some concerning stuff up north. There are not as many alewives as we’ve seen in the past, but we are seeing more smelt. The north (part of the lake) is not typically a big alewife area, but we’ve had a few phenomenal years up here.”

Freeman, Fenner and Laaksonen said they’ve been seeing many fish with stomachs full of good-sized alewives. They’re optimistic about the baitfish situation.

“When I run in in the morning, I’ve been marking a lot of bait,” Freeman said. “Some days they’ve been jumping out of the water, so it looks good.”

Even if the status of the fishery is still somewhat in question, most people are just enjoying the good salmon action available on the lake the past few weeks.

Fenner said the clients haven’t been complaining.

“Fishing’s been so good that everyone’s been ecstatic,” Fenner said. “We’ve pretty much catching limits every day. And while we’re not sending them home with any 30-pounders, we are sending them home with healthy, firm fish.”

Freeman said he noticed a few larger cohos this year in the 7- to 8-pound range, something Tonello said the creel studies have also been showing.

Tonello said from a fisheries management position, most fisherman should be enjoying the current fishery, despite the smaller fish.

“Rather than have fewer numbers of oversize fish, for me and the average angler, I think they’d rather catch four or five fish and have them be smaller rather than just one big fish,” Tonello said. “People like to go out and catch fish.”

Salmon anglers have been fairly successful as of late. Most boats are reporting good catches of the smaller fish.

“For the most part, it’s not hard to catch kings out there (up and down the coast),” Tonello said.

Laaksonen said she hoped the year will end on a high note for the charter fishery.

“The way fishing has been going now, it looks like we’ll have a good end of the season,” she said.

Master Angler submissions

The number of total statewide submissions to the DNR’s Master Angler program over the last five years.

Year Chinook Coho Steelhead Browns

2007* 0 0 0 9

2006 18 3 4 23

2005 13 1 8 29

2004 16 1 14 27

2003 83 5 23 51

2002 85 4 25 71

* 2007 data as of Aug. 13

Source: Michigan Department of Natural Resources




Hamilton Reef
08-14-2007, 02:18 PM
Claramunt credits fisheries managers across the Lake Michigan basin for reducing the numbers of salmon planted in the lake to account for the recent weak year classes of alewife. The reasoning behind the cuts were to better balance the predator-prey relationship to help prevent a population crash like Lake Huron experienced.

“The managers made the right move,” he said.

All that gas attending the salmon conference meetings making comments was made worthwhile. Thank you.

jguc1
08-14-2007, 02:33 PM
Well, based on my limited observations (one weekend of fishing in Ludington) the lack of size is not due to the lack of 4 year olds. There are a lot of darker fish in teh 12-15 lb range that look like 4 year olds to me.

I can see why charters would like large numbers of smaller fish, but I think the possibility of catching a trophy (30 lber) adds a lot to the fishing experience, and that is not a feeling I've had on Lake Michigan in a few years now. I still love fishing there because the action is great, but I personally would sacrifice some numbers for some size.

-Jeremy

MoneyMan11
08-15-2007, 09:29 PM
Keep in mind that most of your fish that are now mature are less that 4 years old. Many spawn at 2 and 3. Last year I caught a tagged fish in Manistee that went 19.7 and was 3 years old and was full of mature eggs. If we were indeed catching fish that were seeing 4 years of growth, they would probably exceed 20# on a more regular basis.

thousandcasts
08-16-2007, 10:25 PM
Keep in mind that most of your fish that are now mature are less that 4 years old. Many spawn at 2 and 3. Last year I caught a tagged fish in Manistee that went 19.7 and was 3 years old and was full of mature eggs. If we were indeed catching fish that were seeing 4 years of growth, they would probably exceed 20# on a more regular basis.

Yep. As for what Tonello said in that article, I have to agree. I'll take numbers over size any day of the week. I have no complaints at all about the fight of those 12 to 18lb fish.

salmon_slayer06
08-17-2007, 07:03 AM
Maybe if we see a mild winter again the baitfish will come back into Lake Huron again and hopefully have some salmon over there too. I don't know if its true or not, but I heard theres been boats on the Canadian shorelines of southern Lake Huron catching kings all the way up to 20 pounds and that was in the early summer of this year.

Theres a report on this forum from a guy who fished St. Joe this spring and caught a 20 pound king. What happened to those fish? If thats a spring king, it should be a 25 this time of year? Why isn't anyone catching them now?

EdB
08-20-2007, 10:06 PM
Theres a report on this forum from a guy who fished St. Joe this spring and caught a 20 pound king. What happened to those fish? If thats a spring king, it should be a 25 this time of year?

Most of those 20lb kings guys say they caught shrink to 14 or 15 lbs when you put them on a scale.;)

REG
08-20-2007, 11:44 PM
Claramunt credits fisheries managers across the Lake Michigan basin for reducing the numbers of salmon planted in the lake to account for the recent weak year classes of alewife. The reasoning behind the cuts were to better balance the predator-prey relationship to help prevent a population crash like Lake Huron experienced.

“The managers made the right move,” he said.

All that gas attending the salmon conference meetings making comments was made worthwhile. Thank you.


And don't forget all that cookie dough!:lol::lol:

homerdog
08-26-2007, 07:44 PM
I saw a few in a certain river last year that were easily pushing 30 lbs, never did get one in though. Hopefully this year is a different story.

syonker
08-27-2007, 08:36 AM
Another variable discussed on some of the other sites is whether or not the hatchery staff are selecting the biggest fish possible for egg stripping & fertilization.

Simply taking whatever size fish comes in the weir may have a genetic impact on the size potential of those fish when they are planted.

This is by now means the sole reason for smaller kings, but it's a theory worthy of consideration in the overall discussion.

thousandcasts
08-28-2007, 09:22 PM
Another variable discussed on some of the other sites is whether or not the hatchery staff are selecting the biggest fish possible for egg stripping & fertilization.

Simply taking whatever size fish comes in the weir may have a genetic impact on the size potential of those fish when they are planted.

This is by now means the sole reason for smaller kings, but it's a theory worthy of consideration in the overall discussion.

They do that to insure genetic diversity. Typically, they'll use two or three males to fertilize the eggs of one hen.

mrymar
08-28-2007, 11:12 PM
“Our assumption is that the ’05 year class of alewife was relatively strong compared to the ’03 and ’04 year classes,” Claramunt said. “We’d expect to see good survival of Chinook for one to two years after that. We might have a lot of strong fish, but small fish. Maybe we don’t have many 3- to 4-year-olds in the lake right now following the ’03 and ’04 year-class of alewife, but it’s hard to conclusively say that.”

A better indication of fish health than average size, according to Claramunt, is the growth rate per year-class of fish. Creel clerks across the state have been collecting scale samples from fish caught throughout the lake, but the scientists have yet to age the fish. That data might provide them with a better idea of the age structure of the fish in the lake.


Unfortunately, this is not something that is happening over one year.

http://www.michigan.gov/documents/Report_Red_Flags_Huron_Michigan_1_122584_7.pdf

In the above url I post, straight from page 9
"Age-4 Chinooks
only contributed 4.9% and 2.8% of the
Lake Michigan recreational catch in
2002 and 2003, respectively. Age 2 and
3 fish make up a majority of the fish in
the recreational harvest for both lakes."

I bet in 2007, the percentage of 4-year old fish in the lake is below 0.1%

2001 was the last year there were a bunch of 4-year old swimming around.

“Rather than have fewer numbers of oversize fish, for me and the average angler, I think they’d rather catch four or five fish and have them be smaller rather than just one big fish,” Tonello said. “People like to go out and catch fish.”

Salmon anglers have been fairly successful as of late. Most boats are reporting good catches of the smaller fish.

Is this guy trying to spin it that fishing is now better cause we have no large fish? Salmon fishing was such a struggle a few years ago...... Just look at my 2000 image gallery: http://www.team-fishigan.com/Gallery/2000/2000.htm You would have thought that we caught nothing according to Mr. Tonello.

Frogfish101
08-28-2007, 11:15 PM
There's a report in the NW Rivers forum (Manistee, PM etc) of a king that is pushing 25...

Hamilton Reef
02-22-2008, 12:11 PM
Chinook salmon plentiful but small on Lake Michigan

http://www.mlive.com/outdoors/index.ssf/2008/02/chinook_salmon_plentiful_but_s.html

02/22/08 by Howard Meyerson | The Grand Rapids Press

Chinook salmon were plentiful on Lake Michigan during the 2007 fishing season, but for the first time in 14 years, they were absent from the DNR's Master Angler list for fish species that were caught and kept.

The recently released 2007 list is a tally of fish entered in the program by anglers. Each of the 52 eligible species has to meet a minimum size requirement. Anglers can submit their catch to "Catch and Keep" or "Catch and Release" categories.

Lake Michigan chinook salmon have had a regular place on the list since at least 1994, the extent of the listings shown on the DNR's online database. They have to weigh at least 27 pounds to qualify for Master Angler status. State officials said Chinooks were plentiful last year, but they were smaller than previous years.

"It's what we would expect (their absence on the list)," said Jay Wesley, the fisheries supervisor for southwest Michigan. "The average size has decreased for the last five years. The catch rates have been phenomenal, but the fish are smaller, which indicates that there are a lot of Chinook out there, and they are hungry."

Two Chinook salmon did turn up on the 2007 Master Angler Catch and Release list. The fish have to meet the 41-inch minimum size requriement. Catch and Release entries do not require a certified weight. Anglers can enter them with just a length measurement and a photo. A 41-inch Chinook can vary considerably in weight, but prior year's listings show them generally to be 27 pounds or larger.

One of the two qualifying Chinook that were caught, recorded and released, was caught on the Boardman River. It was hooked by Randall Webb, of Fife Lake, who was spincasting a Mepps Syclops when he hooked the 41 1/2-inch salmon. Keri Anne Burke, of Lake Orion, hooked her 41 incher on the Pere Marquette River while fishing a Rapala on spinning gear.

Big Chinooks were commonplace in the late 1960s and 1970s, following the initiation of Michigan's salmon stocking program. The big predators were introduced to control the alewife population that was stinking up Lake Michigan's prized beaches and resort properties.

The population crashed in the late 1980s after bacterial kidney disease turned up in the Lake Michigan salmon population. Larger Chinooks turned up once again following the outbreak. Those that survived had several years of having plenty to eat.

"They grew like gangbusters," Wesley said. "And over time the population grew back up and the size of those fish have gone down."

That two big river-caught kings turned up on the Catch and Release list also would be expected, Wesley said.

Lake Michigan is primarily a catch-and-keep fishery and the majority of the fish they see are not the 27-pound fish. But in the fall when they run, Wesley said, there is a potential for catching bigger fish and those that fish rivers tend to release their salmon.

Other highlights from the 2007 Master Angler Program list include a new state record brown trout. Casey Richey, a Frankfort angler, landed a 36.81- pound, 43-inch brown while trolling a Rapala on Lake Michigan, off Benzie County.

Brown trout need to be 16 pounds to qualify for the list. Richey's fish was just over two pounds heavier than the prior state record, set in 2000, of 34.62 pounds.

Anglers planning to enter a fish on the list in 2008 may notice that the instructions have changed for entering.

"One change in the fishing guide is that it will say to be sure to include a photo with every entry," said DNR fisheries staffer, Barb Dilts. 'We need to have them for catch and keep entries too to make sure the species is properly identified. Some have said they caught a coho salmon and its not a coho. It's a small Chinook."

Hamilton Reef
02-22-2008, 12:13 PM
http://www.mlive.com/outdoors/index....ful_but_s.html

Michigan Master Angler Catch and Keep List

Average/year: 108
High: 1996 (289)
Low: 2007 (0)

2007: 0
2006: 13
2005: 6
2004: 8
2003: 68
2002: 71
2001: 289
2000: 69
1999: 216
1998: 70
1997: 62
1996: 230
1995: 196
1994: 104

For more highlights and details from the 2007 Master Angler List, check out www.michigan/gov. Click on Fishing. Then click Master Angler & State Records.