Bonds

[TheMAIT]

Man...I really have never liked anything about this guy...and it makes me sick to think that in a few months he will be trotting around the basebaths with THE record.

Anyway, I didn't see it on TV...if they showed it at all...but some guy ran out on the field went right over to Bonds during or around the 7th inning last night. From the photos on Yahoo sports, it looks like Bonds just stood there, slapped/shook hands with the guy, maybe talked to him, put his arm around him, and escorted him off the field with security.

First of all---I can't imagine Bonds not freak out on some 'roid rage and slam the guy...

Second...I have never seen security allow a guy run from left field to right field without tackling him about 20-30 feet after getting on the field....Do they want someone to run on the field with a minibat and take out Bond's knee or what?

[Bowslayer]

[Do they want someone to run on the field with a minibat and take out Bond's knee or what?[/quote]

I would love to see that happen! A crobar would do a little better job though.:D

[MiketheElder]

[Do they want someone to run on the field with a minibat and take out Bond's knee or what?

I would love to see that happen! A crobar would do a little better job though.:D[/quote]

Yeah, then he can start taking all the drugs that Mickey Mantle took so he could keep playing. Painkillers/Performance enhancing = same thing.

[eddiejohn4]

Pain killers and steroids the same?:)

I do not even put Bonds in the same league as those that came before him.

[MiketheElder]

Yes, I took steroids for my back pain for awhile. My dad took steroids for his brain tumor. Steroids are used for a lot of different things than just "big muscles".

I like Bonds. I think the main reason I like him is the way he treats IDIOT sportswriters and reporters. You ever listen to those people? They are the dumbest media people in the entertainment business.
They do, however, influence the mind-numbed robots that hang on their every word and believe everything they write. I dislike sportswriters almost as much as I hate all that stupid music they play at sporting events.

[WILDCATWICK]

Man...I really have never liked anything about this guy...and it makes me sick to think that in a few months he will be trotting around the basebaths with THE record.




Me too! Home runs come much too easy in this era. Look how many people in the next few years will have over 500 homers. The number of people in that club will damn near double in the next few years. I wonder why that it is?

I would think that with more teams the batters now do not have to face quality pitchers night in and night out. Look at how many starters are over 4 and even 5 in ERA.

Then I would also think batters wearing all the MR. Roboto gear like wuss Bonds also gives them an unfair advantage. Then add in the roids that was obviously rampid for the periiod that baseball needed to get the fan base back after the strike. Real good role models. Mike these guys weren't taking roids for the "brain tumors". That comment is way out in left field where the warning track meets the wall.

There is a reason that many respected (HOF) former players are turning their back on Bonds. Most of those guys worked their a55 off, did not make much money and represented the game for all their worth. Bonds is a jack a55 who does not shed the game in positive light when he is interviewed by the media. He has alot of short cominngs that are not to be admired.

I have more respect for someone like Giambi who has not accomplished half as much and is man enough to addmit his mistakes and take it like a man. Bonds does not man up and should not be used as a role model.

Bond's is a selfish person. He has stated many times that he would like to get the 3,000 hit number for his Godfather. I'm sure his Godfather won't be be able to have piece of mind until that time:dizzy:

Illiminate the things that Barry has brought to baseball and the sport will be better off.

[TheMAIT]

Yeah---all that....plus parks are smaller....mounds aren't as high, and I am sure that the bats/balls have changed over the years to encourage the long ball.

I mean..cmon...most people would rather see a game where their team jacks a few home runs. Sure it is nice to see a 1-0, 2 hitter once in awhile...but the long ball gets the average fan into it.

Just like basketball...the way of the low scoring Pistons have long gone away. Now if you don't have the superstar and team scoring 120-130 points...it is tough to make it to the top. Unfortunately for Stern and the NBA, they can't figure out how to knock down the Spurs---that has to drive them nuts!!:evil:

[M1Garand]

Here's my problem with Bonds: He's a cheater, plain and simple! He's admitted to taking steriods but didn't know he was..:dizzy: . Sounds like the Bill Clinton excuse that he didn't inhale. Just taking a look at his stats and anyone can see something was up. In his first 16 season and his prime age of 22-36, he only hit more than 40 homeruns 3 times and one of those times was the season before he hit 73, with 49. When he hit 49, he was 36 years old and 37 when he hit the record. When he hit 73, it was the only time in his career that he hit over 50 and 60 HR's in a season. I leave it to others to decide for themselves what that indicates. The good news is aside from something stopping him, A-Rod will probably take it away in about 10 years.

[MiketheElder]

Hank Aaron and others don't get involved because of the Press. If Aaron is there then he'll have to do interviews. And 'roids' will be the first and the seventh and the twentieth and the fortieth question these idiot reporters will ask. If you were Aaron would you want to do that interview? And then do it all over again an hour later? And the next day?

And as for "brain tumors" - my dad died from brain cancer. You're so smart you can finish the rest of this paragraph.

And Bonds year of 73 HR's? Was that the year his knees were so bad that all he had to offer was Home Runs? Then that's what he did. You don't have to run full speed when the ball goes over the fence.

Why............................................... .....ah, F it.

[WILDCATWICK]

And as for "brain tumors" - my dad died from brain cancer. You're so smart you can finish the rest of this paragraph.


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Mike sorry about your loss. I lost my mom too and she was on roids. But that has nothing to do with Bonds what so ever. An emotional topic that has no relavance to the fact that baseball has had a roid problem. Those roids were not used because of cancer, tumors, and other serious health ailments. They took them to get bigger stats so they could get larger contracts. They were in short performance enhancing and the mentality that it was ok to do roids for those reasons is wrong.

Blame the media for players having to defend their actions...that's silly? :dizzy:

[QUOTE]Hank Aaron and others don't get involved because of the Press.

You better check your facts Mike. Aaron does ton's of interviews all over the country. He is a big fan of baseball and still promotes the game by giving interviews and talking about current players. His favorite topic seems to be Prince Fielder. He thinks the world of him. Yet he won't say squat about Bonds and won't attend his games even if it's in Atlanta where Aaron, the Senior Vice President of Braves, attends games. It seems quite evident that the reason he won't say anything about Bonds is the old saying "If you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all". Aaron say's nothing on that subject with class and respect, Bonds say's nothing about the subject by attacking and acting like an horses butt!

[William H Bonney]

I like Bonds. I think the main reason I like him is the way he treats IDIOT sportswriters and reporters. You ever listen to those people? They are the dumbest media people in the entertainment business.
They do, however, influence the mind-numbed robots that hang on their every word and believe everything they write. I dislike sportswriters almost as much as I hate all that stupid music they play at sporting events.


This is exactly why I "use" to like Bonds,, the way he treated the media. I use to defend this guy,,, when everyone called him an idiot and this was before all the roids crap. Now I just think he's a jackass, cheater and disgrace to baseball. I don't care if he ever admits it or not,, we all KNOW the truth. Kinda like Michael Jackson never having plastic surgery:rolleyes: . Anyway,, what ever happened with Giambi and his meeting with Mitchell???

[TheMAIT]

:lol: I guess Bonds DID get a little nervous!!

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=reu-bondssaturdaydc&prov=reuters&type=lgns

[Can't Touch This]

If Bonds is considered a cheater because he took performance enhancing drugs(which has never been proven, but, it is pretty obvious) then you would have to include about 70% of HOFers past about 1960, including Hank Aaron......


People mainly just hate him because he is a jerkoff, but, he is the greatest player in our era, and maybe the best of all time, and is going to break the record. It really don't matter, because he is going to break it no matter how many people don't want him too. However, when he breaks it, about 95% of baseball fans will become the biggest A-rod fans, it looks pretty likely that he will have a very good chance to break it. However, it will be hard because now baseball is making it very tough to take performance enhancers, and Bonds hit around half of his HR past 35 after he started juicing, and A-rod will start slowing down.

[TheMAIT]

70% of all HOF's...where are you pulling that number out of? and I am not buying that. Sure I am sure there have been some...but 70% of the best of all time?....Yeah.

No reason for the guy to get excuses made for him. If others took them in the past shame on them. If he took them-he needs to be busted and thrown out of the game just like any other player that is caught cheating. No 2nd or 3rd chances---OUT!!

[y2ba]

That is the problem themait...what Bonds did wasnt illegal at the time..so they couldnt kick him out. Myself...i hope he hits 855 so i can watch everyone else cringe:evil:

And i think we would all be surprised the number of players who used some sort of drug. Speed,cocaine,emphetamines...they all are illegal. Another question...how come we care so much about Bonds breaking a record..and nobody was griping when Mcgwire broke the single season record? If there was one man who was juicin..it was him.

[WILDCATWICK]

That is the problem themait...what Bonds did wasnt illegal at the time..so they couldnt kick him out. Myself...i hope he hits 855 so i can watch everyone else cringe:evil:

And i think we would all be surprised the number of players who used some sort of drug. Speed,cocaine,emphetamines...they all are illegal. Another question...how come we care so much about Bonds breaking a record..and nobody was griping when Mcgwire broke the single season record? If there was one man who was juicin..it was him.


I was not happy then either. There are still things that need to get back on track in baseball. By the way when did they switch to "tie goes to defense" instead of the runner?

[Can't Touch This]

70% of all HOF's...where are you pulling that number out of? and I am not buying that. Sure I am sure there have been some...but 70% of the best of all time?....Yeah.

Past around 1960, right around that, maybe more. A lot of players from that era have been coming out and saying basically you think the 90s were bad, the 60s and 70s were even worse. That is when they basically had no policy to test for drugs, any player could take them and most ended up taking some. Look at Aarons numbers, past 35, similar to Bonds, he really started to kill the ball, and other teammates shown a big spike in numbers. I read one of the pitchers on Aarons team said that the entire team was juiced up. Of course, you won't hear about it too much because that is supposedly the golden era of baseball.

Babe is the true record holder and will be forever....

[MiketheElder]

In the first game of a June 12 (http://www.answers.com/topic/june-12) doubleheader, Pittsburgh Pirate pitcher Dock Ellis (http://www.answers.com/topic/dock-ellis) no-hit the San Diego Padres 2-0 at San Diego Stadium (http://www.answers.com/topic/qualcomm-stadium-1) (while, Ellis claims, tripping on LSD (http://www.answers.com/topic/lysergic-acid-diethylamide)). Wikopedia

[MiketheElder]

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Still crazy after all these years
Former Red Sox pitcher Bill ‘The Spaceman’ Lee speaks out on game seven, the A-Rod debacle, and the 2004 election
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GROUND CONTROL: Lee may have given up marijuana-sprinkled pancakes, but the Spaceman's suggestion for removing the curse of the Bambino ('Dig Babe up, bring him back to Boston, and apologize to him') shows he remains in touch with the great beyond.


BACK WHEN he wore a Red Sox uniform, Bill "The Spaceman" Lee was nothing if not colorful. The pot-smoking, outspoken lefty, who played in Boston from 1969 through 1978, was never a typical baseball player: a rare countercultural icon in the sports world, Lee spouted Eastern philosophy, meditated, and claimed to sprinkle marijuana on his buckwheat pancakes.
In the years since 1982, when Lee was released by the Montreal Expos, it appears not much has changed. He’s still smoking pot, still as outspoken as ever, still bucking authority. He’s still pitching, and pitching well, though these days he plays in an over-50 league and admits to a season shortened by the weather conditions in Vermont, the state he now calls home.
In fact, so little has changed about Bill Lee, one can’t help but wonder, as the southpaw sits down to breakfast mid-interview, if he’s still eating those special buckwheat pancakes.

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You had to live in the sixties and seventies to know what "everybody's doing it" really means. "Uppers" were really big back then. I know that for a fact.:evilsmile I don't know for sure if they were 'performance enhancement drugs' but I'm sure the Major League clubhouses were full of them. You want to throw out all those records and players too? No proof but you guys don't seem to need any.

[GMONEY]

in the record books this * will be next to bonds name

[sweatyspartan]

smoking pot is completely different from using steroids...not sure where that comparison comes into play.

Bonds cheated, is a racist, a horrible teammate and on top of all that a jerk! I used to love Barry Bonds until I learned more about his blow ups in Pitt and his refusal to follow coaches orders at ASU and Pitt. That all said, he's an amazingly skilled ballplayers and would have gone down in the books as one of the best hitters we have ever seen. Instead, he chose to go for power like so many other players and now his numbers and career will forever be tainted.

[deepwoods]

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I think it is a shame that he wil beat Hank's record. At least from what I have seen and read Henry Aaron, was and is, a class act. Bond's is the exact opposite. Zero on the character chart and a selfish cheater.

[WILDCATWICK]

I'm really having a hard time with people trying to justify Bonds by using examples of people using drugs too? Two wrongs now make a right?

Some of the examples used such as Marijuana and LSD are not enhancers but inhabitors. There is a big difference. I guess if they were enhancers we would be allowed to drive vehicles while using them wouldn't me.

Again those people should not be used as an example that it's O.K. to use enhancers.

Several have now suggested that there is no proof that Bonds has used steriods. It's shows how little you are aware of what has happened. Bonds has admitted to taking substances. His trainer stated in court these supstance supplied to Bonds were indeed steroids. Bonds claims that he did not know they were steroids at the time. His trainer say's that he never told Bonds what they were. HE HAS ADMITTED THAT HE HAS TAKEN THEM BUT WAS UNAWARE HE WAS TAKING THEM.http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4188/is_20041204/ai_n11483399

Now Bonds hads been caught lying even recently about teamates and other incedents. If you choose to beleive that he didn't know. That's up to each person. I will wait to see how well his former trainer is treated by Bonds, for what I perceive as falling on the dagger, after Bonds retires. I have no proof that Bonds knew what he was taking but the proof is there that he was taking.

[y2ba]

By "take" you meen ingest? if thats the case then no he didnt "take" anything...the "clear" was rubbed on by his trainer from what ive read.

[WILDCATWICK]

By "take" you meen ingest? if thats the case then no he didnt "take" anything...the "clear" was rubbed on by his trainer from what ive read.


No I nevers said ingest. I said take. He took them and that is indisputable.

[MiketheElder]

Most people (as per the All-Star vote) don't care if Bonds used a substance that was NOT AGAINST the rules at the time. WE DON'T CARE!

But if I was one of the batters that faced Doc Ellis while he was trippin' on Acid I would be pizzed. Especially if he was throwing brushback pitches.

And back in the day, we thought that smoking a little herb before a game "enhanced" our ability to concentrate and perform. A little "speed" was considered an enhancer also. And during the Cocaine heyday of the 70's.......it was common knowledge that guys were tootin' up in the locker room before, during, and after the game. I think the reporters today are jealous that they missed out on all the free drugs the players would pass out to the reporters. Sound far-fetched? So does guilty without any proof.

Drugs is drugs. Do you think a player used ANYTHING so he could play lousier? "I think I'll get high and let me team down today."

Get off your soapbox. Most people don't care.

[y2ba]

No I nevers said ingest. I said take. He took them and that is indisputable.

And if i were to take everything in that article as the "truth" because it was under oath..that would suggest that Bonds never knew he was receiving steroid cream. Ill admit..Bonds is a pr^%ck...but he is also the best hitter of this era..if not ever. People bash him because he isnt likable and is about to break what is possibly the most prized record in all of sports. When A-rod breaks his record..we will go throught the same thing..someone will be pissed. Most players in the 90s were pumping something into their system whether you want to admit it or not..including alot of the pitchers. Does anyone think Julio Franco stays in the shape he is in by drinking coconut milk? These players make big bucks and will always take supplements of some sorts and stay one step ahead of the leagues dope screens...sad but true.

[sweatyspartan]

But if I was one of the batters that faced Doc Ellis while he was trippin' on Acid I would be pizzed. Especially if he was throwing brushback pitches.

Why??? There is absolutely no connection between recreational drugs and performance enhancing steroids besides they are both considered "drugs".

And back in the day, we thought that smoking a little herb before a game "enhanced" our ability to concentrate and perform. A little "speed" was considered an enhancer also. And during the Cocaine heyday of the 70's.......it was common knowledge that guys were tootin' up in the locker room before, during, and after the game. I think the reporters today are jealous that they missed out on all the free drugs the players would pass out to the reporters. Sound far-fetched? So does guilty without any proof.

People were taking recreational drugs before/during/after games. Does that make it ok? NO! Does that put them on the same level as bonds? Yes, in the eyes of the law but no it terms of how the drugs effected their play. (I'd love to see one study that shows somone all coked out will play better ball:rolleyes: ). Guilty without proof? You might want to read some more about Bonds connection with steroids. But then again, besides there being his name and his trainer's names in connection with a known steroid distributor, him admitting to taking steroids, his obvious physical changes and his production that went up after 35 there's absolutely no proof. You might want to do some research on this whole subject and the effects of different drugs.




Also, whats with the vendetta against sports reporters?

[MiketheElder]

Also, whats with the vendetta against sports reporters? quote

In my not so humble opinion, I think sports writers are journalists who couldn't make it reporting the news of the day. In sports, they can ask the same questions day after day, week after week, year after year. They bore themselves. So when something controversial comes along they blow it all out of proportion.

I read several sports sections every day, including USA Today. Actually I just skim over the Sports Sections because it's the same thing every day. Some of the self-righteous writers in the USA Today I don't even bother to scan. Saraceno, that goofy broad Brennan, etc. They should write for the National Enquirer.

Like I said, my not so humble opinion.

[sweatyspartan]

I agree that there are some sports writers that blow small things out of proportion to make a story...similar to the tabloids. There are however, some very good sportswriters out there (Dan Shaughnessy, Bill Simmons, Peter Gammons...to name a few). I agree that there are some sports writers that are no higher than tabloid writers, but there are some that are exceptional writers.

[TheMAIT]

That is ridiculously fishy.....Bonds, first time up tonight. 2 outs, no one on base....rookie pitcher...Why the hell would you pitch to him?

I think that this is all a setup...I'm calling it at 10:56 est...bonds hits both of them tonight off this joker to tie aaron. MLB...NBA????

[Eye Doctor]

I like Bonds,always have.I can't really say if he cheated or not,I was never his trainer,personal friend or coach.I've read a lot of articles about Bonds and others using steroids,and other performance enhancing drugs.These all-knowing sports writers would have us believe that Bonds records are only because he juiced up,after all how could his power numbers increase as he grew older.I don't buy into it at all,if that was true,you would have several guys ready to break the record.If a player only needs to juice up to hit 60 or more homers a year,you would've had 10 or more players hitting 60 or more during that time span.Steroids don't allow you to make contact with a pitch,talent does that's why they're pros.McGwire's story is even better.Everybody loved him,and then a sportswriter illegally reaches into his locker and finds the Andro,then all of a sudden,he's a cheater too,even though the drug is a legal substance.IMO Bonds is a great player,fully deserving of the title he's about to surpass,the media on the other hand suck,and I wouldn't talk to them either.If Bonds played for Detroit,you would love him(Sheffield).Cleveland loved Belle,Chicago loved Sosa,NY loved Strawberry,and so on.It's the freaking national media that controls how we perceive these guys.Media*

[TheMAIT]

Steroids don't give you a better eye sure....they allow you to build muscle over and over again without having to rest. Supposedly Bonds works out 6-8 hours a day...he has superhuman muscle growth and repair because of the steroids. So personally, I would think that if you have such ridiculously developed muscle---which in Bond's case---is absolutely constructed (by Bonds) to be a home run hitting machine...sure...you are going to hit more homers. Are you telling me that a person that can lift weights non-stop without having to worry about rest isn't able to develop his body for ultimate power and being able to rapidly get the bat through the zone?

Steroids don't allow him to him more homers...ha. I will give the guy that he had a great eye and was a decent power hitter to begin with---but there is no way he would be just about to break this record without the enhancements he took...maybe it would have taken him a couple more years to break it legitimately if he hadn't juiced...but sorry---that is the excuse of losers.


And no---there is no way in hell bonds would ever get my respect. I am not a fan of sheffield either---I think he is playing dumb and knows exactly what he did. Bonds is a &^%(*^ to everyone, always has and always will. He cheated. Where there is that much smoke...... Is there really a doubt?

[CMRM]

I think Bonds will only hold the record for about 5 or 6 years, before A-Rod breaks it.

[bounty hunter]

Bonds had a size 10-1/2 shoe now is close to 13 plus they say his head has grown too....He is a jerk and a roid junkie and should have been booted long ago.

[MiketheElder]

I wore a size 12 in my younger years and now I wear a 14. I think it was the Peanut Butter and Jelly sandwiches. I tried on one of my old army hats a while back. That didn't fit either. I think it's from too much coffee.

Get real.

[TheMAIT]

I wore a size 12 in my younger years and now I wear a 14. I think it was the Peanut Butter and Jelly sandwiches. I tried on one of my old army hats a while back. That didn't fit either. I think it's from too much coffee.

Get real.


GET REAL>???? no offense....but that is ignorant-a silly thing to say...look at his body from 10 years ago and now...."not a roid junkie" haaaaaaaaaaa

Almost 3/4" growth in head size...duhhh ok...he must just be getting smarter...

[MiketheElder]

:coco:

[M1Garand]

Almost 3/4" growth in head size...duhhh ok...he must just be getting smarter...

Only two things make a skull get larger....one is a medical condition (can't remember the name offhand) the other is...drumroll...steroids. Guess which one Bonds hasn't had even though his head went from normal to the great pumkin?

[William H Bonney]

I like Bonds,always have.I can't really say if he cheated or not,I was never his trainer,personal friend or coach.I've read a lot of articles about Bonds and others using steroids,and other performance enhancing drugs.These all-knowing sports writers would have us believe that Bonds records are only because he juiced up,after all how could his power numbers increase as he grew older.I don't buy into it at all,if that was true,you would have several guys ready to break the record.If a player only needs to juice up to hit 60 or more homers a year,you would've had 10 or more players hitting 60 or more during that time span.Steroids don't allow you to make contact with a pitch,talent does that's why they're pros.McGwire's story is even better.Everybody loved him,and then a sportswriter illegally reaches into his locker and finds the Andro,then all of a sudden,he's a cheater too,even though the drug is a legal substance.IMO Bonds is a great player,fully deserving of the title he's about to surpass,the media on the other hand suck,and I wouldn't talk to them either.If Bonds played for Detroit,you would love him(Sheffield).Cleveland loved Belle,Chicago loved Sosa,NY loved Strawberry,and so on.It's the freaking national media that controls how we perceive these guys.Media*

Put down that glaucoma medication please.:rolleyes:

And don't just look at the guys that hit 60 or 70+ HR's,,,,,, look at the guys like Brady Anderson,, Giambi,,, the usual 25 HR's guys. I defended Bonds for years,,,,,,,,, not any more. Like it or not,,,,,, he was juicing.

[bounty hunter]

I wore a size 12 in my younger years and now I wear a 14. I think it was the Peanut Butter and Jelly sandwiches. I tried on one of my old army hats a while back. That didn't fit either. I think it's from too much coffee.

Get real.

Get Real? Plain fact here and were not talking from when you were 12 to 30..So maybe you drink too much cofee...Go and search the info and get a true picture...

[Eye Doctor]

I'm not saying he did juice up or not,I could care less.I could care less if Mantle and Brett Farve were hooked on painkillers.Bonds is getting all of the negative crap because he is on the verge of breaking the most revered record in baseball.For all you Hank Aaron fans out there guess what,when he was about to break the record he was getting a ton of negative comments too,including death threats.When Maris was nearing the single season home run record he was being verbally attacked to the point he was losing his freaking hair! When Maris did break the record,the jerks in the media made sure there was an asterisk next to his name too,just like the morons want to do to Bonds.Common sense finally prevailed and the asterisk was removed,just like it will be with Bonds one day(that is if they're stupid enough to put one there in the first place).One day when A-Rod is approaching Bonds record,he will hear crap too I'm sure.The real truth behind all of this BS is the fact that the major baseball sportswriters are mostly from the east coast,and they can't stand anything that's not New York or Boston-period.Had Babe Ruth played for Detroit or Cleveland,no matter what his final stats would've been,no way would he be the icon he is.You think Reggie Jackson got the same national pub in Oakland that he did in NY? Would Jeter get the same love nationally if he played for Houston? It's the east coast media plain and simple! Lastly,if Bonds was playing for the Yankees or Red Sox right now,I believe baseball would be behind him totally.

[M1Garand]

The plain fact is that I don't think anyone will dispute Bonds natural talent. You can't take a substance and get an eye for hitting or any other talents. But what it did do was take him to this point where he would most likely not gotten to without. Lets take a quick look at his stats.

From his rookie year in 1986 to 1999 (ages 22-35) he hit more than 40 home runs only three times (back to back once), his high being 46 in 1993. Then all of a sudden at age 36 he cranks his career high of 49 and then the following year 73 at age 37! Then he continued to hit 40+ for 3 more years. Amazing how he was able to hit over 40 for 5 straight seasons in his late 30's/early 40's when he was only able to do it three times in his 20's and early 30's (and his prime). This is where I have the problem. He took steroids which allowed him to play at a much higher level than he would have been able due to his age. Had he not done so, he would not have the single season record and probably not that string of 40+ for 5 seasons and we wouldn't be talking about this at all. I could care less where he plays...the ends don't justify the means. It's that simple.

[radiohead]

Its not so much that we was able to put up large seasonal HR totals, its the fact that he did it in a stage of life where every athlete before started a regression in HR's. Was Bonds merely a freak of nature, or was he a freak of artificial proportions? I think the latter. Look at his production since the steroid scrutiny and testing.



I like Bonds,always have.I can't really say if he cheated or not,I was never his trainer,personal friend or coach.I've read a lot of articles about Bonds and others using steroids,and other performance enhancing drugs.These all-knowing sports writers would have us believe that Bonds records are only because he juiced up,after all how could his power numbers increase as he grew older.I don't buy into it at all,if that was true,you would have several guys ready to break the record.If a player only needs to juice up to hit 60 or more homers a year,you would've had 10 or more players hitting 60 or more during that time span.Steroids don't allow you to make contact with a pitch,talent does that's why they're pros.McGwire's story is even better.Everybody loved him,and then a sportswriter illegally reaches into his locker and finds the Andro,then all of a sudden,he's a cheater too,even though the drug is a legal substance.IMO Bonds is a great player,fully deserving of the title he's about to surpass,the media on the other hand suck,and I wouldn't talk to them either.If Bonds played for Detroit,you would love him(Sheffield).Cleveland loved Belle,Chicago loved Sosa,NY loved Strawberry,and so on.It's the freaking national media that controls how we perceive these guys.Media*

[William H Bonney]

The plain fact is that I don't think anyone will dispute Bonds natural talent. You can't take a substance and get an eye for hitting or any other talents. But what it did do was take him to this point where he would most likely not gotten to without. Lets take a quick look at his stats.

From his rookie year in 1986 to 1999 (ages 22-35) he hit more than 40 home runs only three times (back to back once), his high being 46 in 1993. Then all of a sudden at age 36 he cranks his career high of 49 and then the following year 73 at age 37! Then he continued to hit 40+ for 3 more years. Amazing how he was able to hit over 40 for 5 straight seasons in his late 30's/early 40's when he was only able to do it three times in his 20's and early 30's (and his prime). This is where I have the problem. He took steroids which allowed him to play at a much higher level than he would have been able due to his age. Had he not done so, he would not have the single season record and probably not that string of 40+ for 5 seasons and we wouldn't be talking about this at all. I could care less where he plays...the ends don't justify the means. It's that simple.

That's kinda my point too..... if Bonds, Sosa, Mac woulda hit say,, 50 or 55 HR's and maybe one of them hit 60,,, I'd "sorta" give them the benefit of the doubt,, but all the 60 and 70+ seasons,,,,,, come on.

[Bwana]

Bonds is a cheater. His steroid use has allowed him to basically obtain one of Baseball's greatest achievements.

The attempts to compare Steroids with other types of drug use (Marijuana, Cocaine, LSD/Acid, etc.) is a non-starter as not one of those drugs will turn you into a super-human home run machine. Infact, I can picture the horror of any player on Acid that had a line-drive hit at him: Oh *****, the ball is coming straight at me...which one should I go for....I guess I should catch the one in the middle.....all I need to do is stare at it....uh oh, now theres two in the middle and the one on the left just winked at me...man this is funny. Yeah, Acid as a performance enhancer. :lol:

[Can't Touch This]

Man, Bonds might get killed if he breaks it on the road!!! I really 100% don't understand all the extreme hatred for him. I could see why people wouldn't like him, he is a jerk at times, but, a lot of great athletes are. As for steroids, most of the great modern HR hitters took steroids at one point, and that is very obvious. Even though there is no, and has never been, any real evidence he took anything, if you put an * next to his name, you would have to for a lot of modern day players.

I honestly would like to see him break it...it is inevitable at this point anyways.

[William H Bonney]

,,,. Even though there is no, and has never been, any real evidence he took anything, ,,,.

Does Bonds admitting he took the "clear",,, count as real evidence??

[Eye Doctor]

Not really,because he never said he took it,he said if he did take it,he didn't realize that he did,not really an admission:lol:

[M1Garand]

He said he took it but didn't know it was steroids :rolleyes:

[William H Bonney]

I've got a question,,, has anyone read that book,, "Game of Shadows" or Jose Canseco's book?? ? Personally I haven't but have heard that both books "name name's". I don't know if Bond's name is mentioned in either book,, I'd assume it is,,, but wouldn't ya think, if it was, or anyone else's name for that matter,, that Canseco and these other guys woulda had their butt's SUED???

[Brown duck]

I've got a question,,, has anyone read that book,, "Game of Shadows" or Jose Canseco's book?? ? Personally I haven't but have heard that both books "name name's". I don't know if Bond's name is mentioned in either book,, I'd assume it is,,, but wouldn't ya think, if it was, or anyone else's name for that matter,, that Canseco and these other guys woulda had their butt's SUED???

I haven't read either of them, either, but Bonds' picture is on the cover of "Game of Shadows." As for lawsuits, that's exactly what Curt Schilling brought up last week in an interview - said he would sue anyone who accused him of taking steroids and wonders why Bonds and the others haven't. Of course, that's from Schilling, so take that for what it's worth.

On another note, look for a new book by Canseco this fall, supposedly naming A-Rod in some sort of scandal. He must really need the cash.

[William H Bonney]

I haven't read either of them, either, but Bonds' picture is on the cover of "Game of Shadows." As for lawsuits, that's exactly what Curt Schilling brought up last week in an interview - said he would sue anyone who accused him of taking steroids and wonders why Bonds and the others haven't. Of course, that's from Schilling, so take that for what it's worth.

On another note, look for a new book by Canseco this fall, supposedly naming A-Rod in some sort of scandal. He must really need the cash.

The funny part about Canseco is,,,, everyone called him an idiot, liar, whatever,,, but no one has proven him wrong about what he wrote in his book. :lol:

[Bwana]

The funny part about Canseco is,,,, everyone called him an idiot, liar, whatever,,, but no one has proven him wrong about what he wrote in his book. :lol:

Just because nobody has proven him wrong doesn't mean he isn't an idiot. ;) Any player that takes a flyball to the head and allows it to bounce over the fence for a home run is either an idiot or an evil genius (in the mold of Dr. Evil himself) that makes Shoeless Joe Jackson look like a saint.

[Bwana]

I really 100% don't understand all the extreme hatred for him. I could see why people wouldn't like him, he is a jerk at times, but, a lot of great athletes are.


Because he is the current steroid jockey. Had the public actually understood the steroid use was so out of control when McGuire broke Maris's record, there would have been an out cry then as well.


As for steroids, most of the great modern HR hitters took steroids at one point, and that is very obvious.


Yes. It is unfortunate that a whole generation of hitters posted tainted results. Hopefully, when they become eligible for Cooperstown, the voters hold their indiscretions against them.


Even though there is no, and has never been, any real evidence he took anything, if you put an * next to his name, you would have to for a lot of modern day players.


Any player going forward, who wants to be eligeble for the record books and Cooperstown, should have to sign a sworn statement, under penalty of perjury, that they have never taken any type of steroid (for non medical reasons), Growth Hormone or used Insulin R to assist the delivery of steroids into their system.

[Eye Doctor]

How would that be fair considering every inductee before them never had to sign such a statement? I think everyone should just let go of the whole juiced up thing and let these guys play ball.With all of the thuggery going on in the NBA and NFL,shootings,stabbings,dog murder,spousal abuse,rampant drug use,assault on strippers-lol,illegal gambling,and so on,and so on,why should anyone care if a baseball player sticks himself in the ass with a needle so he can hit the ball an extra 10'-big freaking deal!

[sweatyspartan]

I was going to reply to this in detail, but Bonney hit the nail on the head.

Bonds cheated and admitted it....its that simple people. I used to be a huge Bonds fan, but I'm not a fan of cheaters. One thing that I do think is unfair towards Bonds is that he is the poster child while there are many many others that took steroids.

I have the book Bonney....its good but you can't be 100% sure of anything you read.

[William H Bonney]

,,,,
I have the book Bonney....its good but you can't be 100% sure of anything you read.

Have you read the whole book,,,,,,, is it worth buying?? I'm thinking of heading to Border's today,, to get it.

[sweatyspartan]

Have you read the whole book,,,,,,, is it worth buying?? I'm thinking of heading to Border's today,, to get it.

if you're ever near the east side you can borrow mine...its not a book you need to have around the house or need to read over again