Worthless Jones

[slayer]

Well The Worthless S.o.b. Has Blew Another Game For The Tigers. This Clown Has Got To Go Now !!!!!

[252Life]

AARRRGGGHHHH I hate "meatball" Jones. What a piss poor excuse for a closer. Thanks for blowing it again meatball

[erodrig4]

don't blame just him, blame the bullpen.

[D-Fresh]

The entire damn bullpen stunk again, it is not just Jones. I don't like it when managers put closers in the game when it is a nonsave situation, it just never seems to work out. The Tig's should have 5-8 more wins this year because the entire pen, from grilli to jones just plain SUCKS!

[Steve]

Hopefully they can find something wrong with his arm like Rodney and put him on the 60 day dl.

[slayer]

don't blame just him, blame the bullpen.
You have got to be kidding me right ??? Is this you Todd ?Do you have a computer in the locker room ?? He sucks period ...........

[erodrig4]

where in that post did i say he was any good?? please, show it to me. i said don't JUST blame him, the entire bullpen stinks(go ahead and read it again, take your time, i'll wait)...Grilli, Rodney, Jones, all horrible...the others have their moments, and may not be as bad as those three, but they don't get out there as much either...did Jones give up the 5 runs in the 7ths??? Didn't think so...yeah part of the blame goes on him, but its not ENTIRELY his fault...there were 6 other runs scored that he had no control over.

[slayer]

Ya they do all suck and yes they gave up 5 runs but .... The tigers did what they do all the time they made it a winnable game thanks to Casey and C-mo and gave the ball to Josey to at least hold the tie and what does he do. ?? Like 252life said one meatball after another sorry but i just cant stand the guy. Everytime they bring him in i cringe ...:mad:

[radiohead]

Relax guys. The Bullpen has turned it around lately, its been about 10 straight games of solid performance before last night. Durbin will provide a stabalizing presence in the pen. I'm not going to get too worked up over 1 loss. Lets see if it becomes a nightly ordeal again like it was earlier in the season or if its just a minor blip that happens to every team from time to time.

As for Jones, Dombrowski really needs to make a move. Either make Durbin the closer and trade for middle relief help to back-fill Durbin, or trade for a reliable closer. The Tigers have become one of those teams where the other teams strategy is just to keep it close going in to the 9th so they have a solid shot at winning.

[bounty hunter]

Todd Jones= batting pratice...he plain sucks and is so predictable..

[ckhanna]

Jones is AWESOME!!! :yikes:

[Brown duck]

At least he didn't blow the save!

[Nascar31Fan]

With 2 outs no less! That was painful to watch especially after such a great come back in the 8th.

[deepwoods]

Robertson pitched a great game. Our starting rotation is awesome and with some help in the pen we would win it all IMO.

I puckered a bit the guy hit it to the warning track in left. When he walked the batter I braced for impact. :yikes: I could see it coming.

The bad thing is he seems like a good clubhouse guy. A good teammate that is liked by the other players but the one drawback is................................. he sucks. When is zoom-zoom coming back?

I agree our pen has cost us at least 5 games.

[Krull]

Jones and Grilli are complete garbage and everyone knows it. We should be more pissed off at Leyland, he is the idiot that keeps running these bums out there. *** is he doing pulling Robertson out for? He lets 1 or 2 guys on and he thinks Grilli is a better option. YGTBFKM. Leyland knows he blew the game, plain and simple. That is why his press conference was 3 sentences long. He screwed up by pitching Durbin 3 innings on Sunday night in a blowout. If Durbin goes 1 or 2 innings that game, he could have pitched last night. Jones is the worst closer in the history of baseball. Closers are supposed to make you feel like you give them the ball, the game is over. With Jones, at a minimum every time out he allows the tying or winning run to get on base. Leyland stuck by him because he throws strikes, but what good are batting practice meatballs grooved at 88 mph dead center of the plate. He is a Gas Can.

[radiohead]

How can you put this on Leyland? He doesn't make the roster. We also do not know what feedback Leyland and Chuck Hernandez are getting from the SP's during a game. For all you know Robertson told him he was starting to run out of gas. Leyland does hook the SP's from time to time a bit early, it seems. But I am guessing Leyland knows a hell of a lot more about when to yank his SP's than we do.


Jones and Grilli are complete garbage and everyone knows it. We should be more pissed off at Leyland, he is the idiot that keeps running these bums out there. *** is he doing pulling Robertson out for? He lets 1 or 2 guys on and he thinks Grilli is a better option. YGTBFKM. Leyland knows he blew the game, plain and simple. That is why his press conference was 3 sentences long. He screwed up by pitching Durbin 3 innings on Sunday night in a blowout. If Durbin goes 1 or 2 innings that game, he could have pitched last night. Jones is the worst closer in the history of baseball. Closers are supposed to make you feel like you give them the ball, the game is over. With Jones, at a minimum every time out he allows the tying or winning run to get on base. Leyland stuck by him because he throws strikes, but what good are batting practice meatballs grooved at 88 mph dead center of the plate. He is a Gas Can.

[michigandeerslayer]

I heard a rumor that jones was going to be traded and they were going to be getting some guy from either texas or atlanta

[Nascar31Fan]

Thought there was a rumor at one time of Monroe or Thames for Otsuka?

[smokepants]

I thought I heard a rumor that the Tigers were interested in Gagne(sp?) from Texas. He shut the door on us last night and he would be a great closer if his arm holds up.
neil.

[Brown duck]

if his arm holds up.


That says it right there.

[RJF]

Gange, or whatever his name is, was close to losing last night. Couple more hits and he loses. His best days are behind him. Has not blown a save this year though, but only eight, I think, chances.

[Nascar31Fan]

Yeah, Gagne best days are well behind him.
Zumaya is the closer of the future.

[Krull]

How can you put this on Leyland? He doesn't make the roster. We also do not know what feedback Leyland and Chuck Hernandez are getting from the SP's during a game. For all you know Robertson told him he was starting to run out of gas. Leyland does hook the SP's from time to time a bit early, it seems. But I am guessing Leyland knows a hell of a lot more about when to yank his SP's than we do.

Evidently you did not listen to the press conference where he stated he was out managed. What do you think that was refering to? If you were watching the game, there was no discussion at the mound, Hernandez wasn't even sent out there first, Leyland sprung up (as he always does) when the tying or lead changing run reached the plate. I understand he does not want his pitcher who has pitched well and recorded enough innings to be eligible for the win to face possible defeat, but he needs to occasionally let these guys battle through instead of brininging in a bum like Grilli. I am not putting it all on Leyland, the players play, but Leyland needs to accept that his bullpen is complete garbage and not be so quick to pull the starter. The moral of the story is Jones is a bum and we will not win the World Series if he is our closer.

[radiohead]

Evidently you have not been paying much attention to how Leyland operates over the past 2 years. He is constantly falling on the sword for his players in order to deflect as much criticism as possible off the players and on to him.
Evidently you weren't paying attention last week when he put Jones in with a 4 run lead and he almost blew the lead, and Leyland wanted everyone to blame him for putting Jones in a non-save situation, because the lack of adrenaline from a non-save situation is what caused Jones to come in to the game and give up 3 runs.
So if you actually believe that baseball managers tell the truth in post-game conferences, then you go ahead and keep thinking that Leyland actually believes that Ron Washington outmanaged him.


Evidently you did not listen to the press conference where he stated he was out managed. What do you think that was refering to? If you were watching the game, there was no discussion at the mound, Hernandez wasn't even sent out there first, Leyland sprung up (as he always does) when the tying or lead changing run reached the plate. I understand he does not want his pitcher who has pitched well and recorded enough innings to be eligible for the win to face possible defeat, but he needs to occasionally let these guys battle through instead of brininging in a bum like Grilli. I am not putting it all on Leyland, the players play, but Leyland needs to accept that his bullpen is complete garbage and not be so quick to pull the starter. The moral of the story is Jones is a bum and we will not win the World Series if he is our closer.

[Beave]

The fact that Leyland continues to talk about how Jones has done a great job really scares me. When this team was in a hitting slump he wasn't afraid to say so. Last year when they were off to a crappy start he called them out to the media and they shaped up.

It's obvious to me that Leyland has looked at the chumps he has, and he's convinced that they're doing the best they're capable of. If they had more potential and they were playing below that he'd be lighting a fire under them. Instead he's looking at Jones, Grilli, and the others and he's accepted that they probably shouldn't even hold the roles they have for a major league team. Therefore, there's no reason to call them out because they're doing the best they really can. It's just not good enough. And as a fan that's a scary thing. Leyland knows that Jones isn't a good closer. His style is always going to result in some blown saves and runs given up. (Honestly, how many fly ball closers have had long careers in the majors?) You can't repeatedly rag on the guys when the true solution is to replace them with better talent.

[Krull]

Evidently you have not been paying much attention to how Leyland operates over the past 2 years. He is constantly falling on the sword for his players in order to deflect as much criticism as possible off the players and on to him.
Evidently you weren't paying attention last week when he put Jones in with a 4 run lead and he almost blew the lead, and Leyland wanted everyone to blame him for putting Jones in a non-save situation, because the lack of adrenaline from a non-save situation is what caused Jones to come in to the game and give up 3 runs.
So if you actually believe that baseball managers tell the truth in post-game conferences, then you go ahead and keep thinking that Leyland actually believes that Ron Washington outmanaged him.

Leyland's mistake Tuesday was a direct reuslt of his decision making Sunday, in particular wasting Durbin 3 innings in a 5-0 game. Regardless, it does not change the fact that Jones and Grilli are both bums. Leyland is a great manager but he is not beyond being questioned for how he has handled the bullpen, if you weren't a slappy you would realize that. Leyland deflecting blame in public is great, but it gets old. He ultimately is responsible for which bum him runs out there and when he changes pitchers. A pitcher should not be pulled unless you think the player you are bringing out has a better chance to finish the job at hand. Leyland routiinely will pull a pitcher (doesn't have to be a starter) for the sole reason that it is the 7th, 8th or 9th inning or because he doesn't want a pitcher who has put in an admirable performance exposed to taking a loss. While this mentality can work when you have great set up man such as Rodney (last year) and Zumaya and an effective closer it clearly is not working this year. Leyland needs to adapt to what he currently has available. Someone stated earlier that the Tigers have blown 4 or 5 games, I feel it is much more than that. I believe Rodney has 5 losses, Jones has 4 plus additonal leads that were blown that caused games to go into extra innings, where the Tigers record is deplorable. The Tigers at a minimum should be 6 games better than their record indicates. You should not routinely lose games in which you score 6 runs or have 3 runs leads in the 6th inning.

[radiohead]

Also not sure if you are aware or not but there is this thing called a dugout where players and coached spend time during a game. They don't just talk during mound visits.


Evidently you did not listen to the press conference where he stated he was out managed. What do you think that was refering to? If you were watching the game, there was no discussion at the mound, Hernandez wasn't even sent out there first, Leyland sprung up (as he always does) when the tying or lead changing run reached the plate. I understand he does not want his pitcher who has pitched well and recorded enough innings to be eligible for the win to face possible defeat, but he needs to occasionally let these guys battle through instead of brininging in a bum like Grilli. I am not putting it all on Leyland, the players play, but Leyland needs to accept that his bullpen is complete garbage and not be so quick to pull the starter. The moral of the story is Jones is a bum and we will not win the World Series if he is our closer.

[bjacobs]

I love the monday morning quarterback. The fact is that Robertson just got off of the DL for arm fatigue, so you should know that he is going to have a short leash. Also, you don't know what was said between innings, he might have been getting wore out. Leyland has always had a style where mid to late in the game he will pull his starter when there is a chance for him to lose the opportunity for the win. He has done this the whole time he has been in Detroit. The only difference between this year and last was that the bullpen was getting the job done last year and this year they are not. Plain and simple.

[Krull]

Also not sure if you are aware or not but there is this thing called a dugout where players and coached spend time during a game. They don't just talk during mound visits.

Really? Where is that? Please expand on this dug out thing where discussion takes place between innings. Are you meaning to tell me that players go somewhere when they are not on the field ? Is it called a dugout because it is lower than field level? So did this discussion take place on Tuesday after the fifth in this "Dug Out" thing?
JL- How you feeling Nate?
NR- Pretty good Skip
JL- Go get them, just do not give up a seeing eye single, otherwise I am going to have to yank you because those 10 extra pitches could spell trouble.
NR- OK Coach, as you know, my arm is tired even though I am throwing a 4 hitter and no one has sniffed third base, we will be much better putting in Grillssy with his 5.99 ERA
JL- Ah yes, Grilli, what an appropriate name for the Gas can that he is.
NR- After we get down three runs, I will chew my gum and we will tie it up in the bottom of the eighth, how does that sound for a game plan
JL- That sounds perfect, we have that bulldog Jonesy we can bring in, that way we will be sure to avoid extra innings, as I am almost out of smokes. Nate, you know Jonesy is a bulldog with a batting practice, flyball to warning track "out" pitch and is one tough cookie
NR- You are a genius Skip.


If you want to be an apologist more power to you. No manager, including Leyland, is above questioning.

[radiohead]

Sometimes I wish the Tigers still stunk so we wouldn't have to hear from the newfound baseball guru's that have popped up out of nowhere like zits on a 13 year olds face.

The guy took Pittsburgh to several playoff appearances, won a World Series with the Marlins and led one of the greatest single season turnarounds in sports history and some internet hack thinks he has enough information about the situations to say Leyland mismanages his pitchers. Do you realize how stupid you sound?

Wait don't answer that.



Really? Where is that? Please expand on this dug out thing where discussion takes place between innings. Are you meaning to tell me that players go somewhere when they are not on the field ? Is it called a dugout because it is lower than field level? So did this discussion take place on Tuesday after the fifth in this "Dug Out" thing?
JL- How you feeling Nate?
NR- Pretty good Skip
JL- Go get them, just do not give up a seeing eye single, otherwise I am going to have to yank you because those 10 extra pitches could spell trouble.
NR- OK Coach, as you know, my arm is tired even though I am throwing a 4 hitter and no one has sniffed third base, we will be much better putting in Grillssy with his 5.99 ERA
JL- Ah yes, Grilli, what an appropriate name for the Gas can that he is.
NR- After we get down three runs, I will chew my gum and we will tie it up in the bottom of the eighth, how does that sound for a game plan
JL- That sounds perfect, we have that bulldog Jonesy we can bring in, that way we will be sure to avoid extra innings, as I am almost out of smokes. Nate, you know Jonesy is a bulldog with a batting practice, flyball to warning track "out" pitch and is one tough cookie
NR- You are a genius Skip.


If you want to be an apologist more power to you. No manager, including Leyland, is above questioning.

[Krull]

Sometimes I wish the Tigers still stunk so we wouldn't have to hear from the newfound baseball guru's that have popped up out of nowhere like zits on a 13 year olds face.

The guy took Pittsburgh to several playoff appearances, won a World Series with the Marlins and led one of the greatest single season turnarounds in sports history and some internet hack thinks he has enough information about the situations to say Leyland mismanages his pitchers. Do you realize how stupid you sound?

Wait don't answer that.

Sorry Buddha, but I bet if asked Leyland would admit to making many mistakes with his pen this year. I never said he was a bad manager, I am just asserting that in my opinion he has weilded the hook too often and too soon on many occasions this year. Feel free to get in the last word on this.

[radiohead]

Okay


Sorry Buddha, but I bet if asked Leyland would admit to making many mistakes with his pen this year. I never said he was a bad manager, I am just asserting that in my opinion he has weilded the hook too often and too soon on many occasions this year. Feel free to get in the last word on this.

[Can't Touch This]

Yeah, our entire bullpen is garbage....imagine where the Tigers would be with last year's bullpen, or at least a middle of the road bull pen, probably on pace for 110-120 wins.

[Brown duck]

"Garbage" bullpen and still in first place? It sure is nice to have things to complain about rather than another 100+ loss season.

Anybody notice that Jonesy went 1-2-3 in the 9th yesterday in a save situation? Didn't think so. The way some guys talk around here you'd think he had never gotten an out!

[deepwoods]

Jonesy went 1-2-3 in the 9th yesterday in a save situation?

He did fine. I am not going to raise him up on a platform for going in and pitching one inning with a 3 run lead. Oh well he got a save out of it. I hope he keeps it up.

Heading to the game tonight to see Verlander pitch and enjoy the fireworks with the kids.

[augustus0603]

Gosh. I just wish the Tigers would win 162 games and everyone would be happy.

[slayer]

"Garbage" bullpen and still in first place? It sure is nice to have things to complain about rather than another 100+ loss season.

Anybody notice that Jonesy went 1-2-3 in the 9th yesterday in a save situation? Didn't think so. The way some guys talk around here you'd think he had never gotten an out!
You know the old saying "Every dog has his day" Just like i said when i started this thread Jones is WORTHLESS !!!!!! :dizzy:

[PITBULL]

You know the old saying "Every dog has his day" Just like i said when i started this thread Jones is WORTHLESS !!!!!! :dizzy:


OK lets just ride him out untill the Allstar break, Rodney will be off the DL then. Release Jones then and Rodney will be our closer until Zumya comes back. Problem solved. We wont have to hear about Worthless Rollacoaster meatball Jonesy again.:)

[y2ba]

OK lets just ride him out untill the Allstar break, Rodney will be off the DL then. Release Jones then and Rodney will be our closer until Zumya comes back. Problem solved. We wont have to hear about Worthless Rollacoaster meatball Jonesy again.:)

The idea is to get someone who is better than Jones:lol:

[TheMAIT]

Sad to say it....but I almost feel more comfortable with Jones in the game then Rodney or Grilli...

Ditto on the last post!!

[y2ba]

Sad to say it....but I almost feel more comfortable with Jones in the game then Rodney or Grilli...

Ditto on the last post!!

I agree...i have more confidence in Jones than Rodney for sure. But that isnt saying much...:yikes:

[Beave]

Nice piece of work by Jonesy tonight. Interesting to see him starting to adapt how he pitches. I think part of his problem is that everyone knows he throws mostly fastballs and throws like 80% of this pitches for strikes. Batters were sitting on the fastball and getting them. He threw a lot of curves and some changes tonight and faced the toughest part of Minnesota's lineup without a hit.

[Brown duck]

Anybody notice that Jonesy went 1-2-3 in the 9th yesterday in a save situation?

Once more, Jonesy goes 1-2-3 to end the 1-0 game on Sunday night - that's 6 straight batters faced in his last two save situations (maybe more if you go back further - not sure on that).

Worthless? I don't really think so. Unpredictable? Inconsistent? Yup. I think a lot has to do with that space between his ears.

[slayer]

Looked more to me like he was pitching to save his job !!!! Im sure he got a good talking to after his last blunder. Might be he needs more talks . Good job Todd keep it up ...

[ajmorell]

The latest I heard, the Tigers were trying to get Eric Gagne........

I'm really hoping they do, he would be a great investment.

[bjacobs]

The latest I heard, the Tigers were trying to get Eric Gagne........

I'm really hoping they do, he would be a great investment.

This is really open for debate. Great investment if he continues at the pace he is going right now, yes. Until his arm falls back off and then what do you do?

[RJF]

Are you sure Gagne would be an improvement over Jones? Gagnes best years are behind him. Tough injury to recover from. I don't want to give up a starter to get him. I definately don't want to give up a top prospect. His price will probably be both, a starter and a top prospect. I'm not sure he's worth it, and I'm not sure we can't win with what we have. The next six games are real critical to the rest of the season.

[smokepants]

I thought that Detroit was not on Gagne's "list" of teams he would like to be traded to. I don't know why, the Tigers are a heck of a lot better than hanging around in the Ranger pen.

neil.

[Brown duck]

Yet another 1-2-3 for Jonesy, 7/4/07 - I may continue this type of post the rest of the year, that is, as long as Jones keeps this up.

[slayer]

Yet another 1-2-3 for Jonesy, 7/4/07 - I may continue this type of post the rest of the year, that is, as long as Jones keeps this up.
I hope you do at least that means he is winning :lol: :lol:

[radiohead]

21 out of 25 save oppurtnities converted. Jones is not the problem, its the middle and set up relief.






Yet another 1-2-3 for Jonesy, 7/4/07 - I may continue this type of post the rest of the year, that is, as long as Jones keeps this up.

[slayer]

Zoom Zoom will be back after all star break :woohoo1:

[D-Fresh]

Zoom Zoom will be back after all star break :woohoo1:

Do you have a source or link for this???

Last I heard was maybe September, so unless that is what you are referring to, it is breaking news. They are just now starting to talk about him playing catch, so I can't imagine him coming back to the big league before August.

[slayer]

Sorry yes you are right, I thought i heard Mario & Rod mention it during last nights game. but upon further investigation there saying sept. Bummer

[chrisu]

Z is due to start tossing the ball after the break. Barring complications, he will progress until he is ready which COULD be August. Until then, Jonesy will continue to go 1-2-3, or get 2 outs, 2 strikes and allow 18 runs to give up leads.

As painful as it was to watch that game in person (first trip to Comerica), C-mo's error didn't help matters any. Plainly, it was a winnable game and should have been a win, but there were a couple bad plays that cost them runs, not just baserunners.

If Z makes it back and Rodney is healthy, things are fine. Z will become the closer eventually anyway. Maybe this year if Jones loses what stability he has.

[PITBULL]

Jones will probably get his 300th save this season. Yeah I get agervaited sometimes watching him pitch. Most of the time he will get you a win. It may not be lightsout. But blowing a save and loosing a game is the exception, not the rule. Its easy to blame the person that pitches the ninth. Alot of these games are lost at the plate. (inability to score with a runner in position).

Jones has 284 saves out of 354 oportunities. 80%
this year he is 21 out of 25, 84% heck he is improving.

Zumya will be our closer of the future if we can afford to keep him.

[D-Fresh]

How many games has he blown since this thread started and people ripped into him?? Last night was a more typical heartattack jones save, but he got the job done. He has pitched well the last 5 or so times out. Let's keep this thread going and you guys keep ripping on him, because he apparently does better when the haters come out!

sincerely,

Todd Jones' biggest fan (until he blows another game) :)

[ajmorell]

Lately he has been doing pretty well, I will be the first to admit that. I just feel like the Tigers need another closer to compliment him, so that he isn't all they have. True, Zumaya will be back soon, but until then they really don't have anyone else...at least not worth mentioning.