Lets talk trade time!!

[CMR]

Know the deadline for the trade is coming up.......so lets discuss who the Tigers should/can get rid of and who ya think the Tigers could get!!!

[radiohead]

The real question is who is going to bring enough value in return and who of value can you live without.
Everyone talks Maroth or Robertson for a reliver or two, but there isn't any value in the marketplace for them 2.
You could live without Casey but no one will give up much for him.
Same with Thames.

There is one person we could live without who will bring value in return, that is Monroe. Monroe would bring in a frontline set up man and/or middle reliever.

Or you deal prospects, but that is always dicey because it catches up with you eventually.


Know the deadline for the trade is coming up.......so lets discuss who the Tigers should/can get rid of and who ya think the Tigers could get!!!

[GVSUKUSH]

In my mind, the Tigers have 3 issues:

1. An honest to goodness set-up man to shut the door in the 7th and 8th (Rodney and Grilli are shaky at best, zumaya's out until ????)

2. A respectable closer. (enough said)

3. A first baseman with power (READ: Texiera from Texas)

Expendable Tigers include: Thames, Casey, Maroth, Perez, Durbin, and Jones

[boots741]

A first baseman with power (READ: Texiera from Texas)

That would be great..not sure who would trade to get him.

[CMR]

A first baseman with power (READ: Texiera from Texas)

That would be great..not sure who would trade to get him.

I'd trade Casey,Thames, and Durbin, maybe some minor league pitcher too for Texiera.
Can't trade Maroth, we need a lefty starter pitcher besides Robertson.

[boots741]

I'd trade Casey,Thames, and Durbin, maybe some minor league pitcher too for Texiera.
Can't trade Maroth, we need a lefty pitcher besides Robertson.
Yep, I would make that trade.

[radiohead]

Problem is the Rangers would not make that trade in a million years.
That's why hypothetical trades never pan out...everyone thinks teams will take your scrap for a frontline guy like Texeria.
Besides, we don't "need" a power hitting first baseman just because that is the prototype for that position. Tigers are at or near the top in MLB for runs scored. They need bullpen help not 1B help.


Yep, I would make that trade.

[augustus0603]

Problem is the Rangers would not make that trade in a million years.
That's why hypothetical trades never pan out...everyone thinks teams will take your scrap for a frontline guy like Texeria.
Besides, we don't "need" a power hitting first baseman just because that is the prototype for that position. Tigers are at or near the top in MLB for runs scored. They need bullpen help not 1B help.

No kidding!

The teams that have deep bullpens will not be trading any of them. Texas has Otsuka and Gagne, but they're not going to trade them for career minor leaguers like Durbin, Thames, and Monroe.

I think the Tigers are a little bit stuck with what they have. Despite what the Detroit media pumps out, they are not a very deep organization. They have maybe 5 pitching prospects that other teams want and Cameron Maybin.

[CMR]

Problem is the Rangers would not make that trade in a million years.
Maybe not "that" trade but its no secret that Texeria wants out of the Texas organization. Anythings possible.

Heck, with the possibility of Giambi being suspended, the Yankees might pick Texeria up.

[WILDCATWICK]

Despite what the Detroit media pumps out, they are not a very deep organization. They have maybe 5 pitching prospects that other teams want and Cameron Maybin.

???? Your joking? Tigers are definetly one of the deepest organization in talent. The Tigers use to rank dang near last in organization until Dombrowski got here. Now for the last two years we have been ranked in the top 10 by every national publicaiton that has provided an organization depth report.

I'm wondering why you guys want to get a closer? The plan has been and still hopefully will be, to move Zumaya into that role when Jones steps down.

Now you go get a closer, give up prospects, spend alot of money, tick off Zumya, have a real sitiuation next year with having two closers, & finally you did all this and how much were you able to truely upgrade the closer in respects to saves versus save opportunities?

I'm pretty happey with the team we have. I wasn't that upset for the last 20 years with our teams. GM's have made mistakes more than getting it right in respect to drafts and trades here in Detroit.

Now that we have a GM that is right waY more than wrong I hear more bitching and moaning than ever.....I wonder why that is?


I do beleive that Monroe may be the only trade bait. He's expendable. He probably will never have a season like last year again. Thames could fill that roles for the season until you want to try to either move Granderson and bring Maybin up or go get yourself one hell of an expensive free agent.

COuld this team make a move an improve this year. You bet. Would it probably screw things up for next year and several years after? Probably.

[D-Fresh]

[quote=WILDCATWICK]???? Your joking? Tigers are definetly one of the deepest organization in talent. The Tigers use to rank dang near last in organization until Dombrowski got here. Now for the last two years we have been ranked in the top 10 by every national publicaiton that has provided an organization depth report.[quote]

:yeahthat:

And as far as Monroe and Thames, I didn't know that "career minor leaguers" play a HUGE role in leading a team to the world series!!! Durbin has had a rough go so far in his career, but he is the tigers 3rd best starter right now, so I am not about to start trashing him.

The only trade I would like to see is trying to bring in a good setup man. The Tigers are first in just about every offensive category, so I think the pen has to be the number one priority.

[Brown duck]

Now you go get a closer, give up prospects, spend alot of money, tick off Zumya, have a real sitiuation next year with having two closers, & finally you did all this and how much were you able to truely upgrade the closer in respects to saves versus save opportunities?


Agreed - I'm not giving up on Jonesy. Besides, I've yet to hear where this "dependable" closer is coming from - teams with dependable closers (e.g. Hoffman, Mo Rivera, K-Rod) are in the picture and won't be dealing their stoppers. The only "real" name I've heard has been Gagne, and I'm not sure he's the same as he used to be. And there's a reason other relievers aren't already closers.

[augustus0603]

???? Your joking? Tigers are definetly one of the deepest organization in talent. The Tigers use to rank dang near last in organization until Dombrowski got here. Now for the last two years we have been ranked in the top 10 by every national publicaiton that has provided an organization depth report.


I disagree. One of the only reasons they were ranked that high was Humberto Sanchez, Andrew Miller, and Maybin.

Look at AAA and tell me what kind of impact player under 24 years old is playing there right now. AA has DeLaCruz throwing 100+ and Jair Jurrens. Tata was highly regarded, but he's out for the year.

Porcello will bump them up on the lists again if he signs, but he's not tradeable for at least a year from his first day of service.

[radiohead]

AAA is not the place to look anymore for a teams top prospects. AA and even A are where the prime prospects are. Look at Miller, jumped right from AA ball this year. Verlander came from A to AA in 05, then right to the Show in 06. Same with Zumaya except he did spend 8 games in Toledo.





I disagree. One of the only reasons they were ranked that high was Humberto Sanchez, Andrew Miller, and Maybin.

Look at AAA and tell me what kind of impact player under 24 years old is playing there right now. AA has DeLaCruz throwing 100+ and Jair Jurrens. Tata was highly regarded, but he's out for the year.

Porcello will bump them up on the lists again if he signs, but he's not tradeable for at least a year from his first day of service.

[WILDCATWICK]

Tata does not rank high. He's never going to be above a 4rth starter.

There is a ton of talent don't forget that these reports include everyone in the organization not just people under 24. Matter of fact I even once have heard of people who were down in the minors after that magical age and then got called up to have wonderfull careers. They are even tradeable.


We have an insane amount of potential in our minors. If you don't know it I can't help ya. We had alot of great prospects other than the magical three that you mentioned.

Sanchez has talent but his arm is already questionable. Great move by Dombrowski again.

I'll throw out some names to watch out for in the years to come:

CHris Carlson 1st base. He's what were needing in a few years or some say now. He's 6'4" & 230. Hits for power and average.

William Rhymes 2nd base. Speed and average. Don't need him anytime soon so he will get time to develope.

Ryan Roberson 1st base. Needs to cut down on strikes and take a few walks but he's got a bat & body for power 6'5 240wt.

Cameron Maybin _obvious but you still count him don't you?

Gorkys Hernandez OF - speed and average.....young and has done nothing but beat expectations.

Ryan Rayburn could play in the majors. Our outfield is a little loaded and with Maybin having a ticket to get in I don't know that he will make it here except as maybe a back up.

Santiago & Cleven both have shots of being in the bigs.

I'm not even going to go into pitching there are 4 or 5 great prospects for each of our minor teams.

IF we were is as shallow as you think this organization is I don't think Dombrowski ever would have gotten rid of Sanchez. Sanchez was expendable because we are very deep and he may be damaged goods.

Radiohead is fairly accurate in saying the majority of prospects are in AA & A.

[radiohead]

Fairly accurate?
Radiohead is VERY accurate :lol: :lol:


Tata does not rank high. He's never going to be above a 4rth starter.

There is a ton of talent don't forget that these reports include everyone in the organization not just people under 24. Matter of fact I even once have heard of people who were down in the minors after that magical age and then got called up to have wonderfull careers. They are even tradeable.


We have an insane amount of potential in our minors. If you don't know it I can't help ya. We had alot of great prospects other than the magical three that you mentioned.

Sanchez has talent but his arm is already questionable. Great move by Dombrowski again.

I'll throw out some names to watch out for in the years to come:

CHris Carlson 1st base. He's what were needing in a few years or some say now. He's 6'4" & 230. Hits for power and average.

William Rhymes 2nd base. Speed and average. Don't need him anytime soon so he will get time to develope.

Ryan Roberson 1st base. Needs to cut down on strikes and take a few walks but he's got a bat & body for power 6'5 240wt.

Cameron Maybin _obvious but you still count him don't you?

Gorkys Hernandez OF - speed and average.....young and has done nothing but beat expectations.

Ryan Rayburn could play in the majors. Our outfield is a little loaded and with Maybin having a ticket to get in I don't know that he will make it here except as maybe a back up.

Santiago & Cleven both have shots of being in the bigs.

I'm not even going to go into pitching there are 4 or 5 great prospects for each of our minor teams.

IF we were is as shallow as you think this organization is I don't think Dombrowski ever would have gotten rid of Sanchez. Sanchez was expendable because we are very deep and he may be damaged goods.

Radiohead is fairly accurate in saying the majority of prospects are in AA & A.

[D-Fresh]

Fairly accurate?
Radiohead is VERY accurate :lol: :lol:

I agree 100%, AAA is the last place you look for prospects! There are good players in AAA, but prospects are almost always in A or AA to develop.

[augustus0603]

Tata does not rank high. He's never going to be above a 4rth starter.

There is a ton of talent don't forget that these reports include everyone in the organization not just people under 24. Matter of fact I even once have heard of people who were down in the minors after that magical age and then got called up to have wonderfull careers. They are even tradeable.


We have an insane amount of potential in our minors. If you don't know it I can't help ya. We had alot of great prospects other than the magical three that you mentioned.

Sanchez has talent but his arm is already questionable. Great move by Dombrowski again.

I'll throw out some names to watch out for in the years to come:

CHris Carlson 1st base. He's what were needing in a few years or some say now. He's 6'4" & 230. Hits for power and average.

William Rhymes 2nd base. Speed and average. Don't need him anytime soon so he will get time to develope.

Ryan Roberson 1st base. Needs to cut down on strikes and take a few walks but he's got a bat & body for power 6'5 240wt.

Cameron Maybin _obvious but you still count him don't you?

Gorkys Hernandez OF - speed and average.....young and has done nothing but beat expectations.

Ryan Rayburn could play in the majors. Our outfield is a little loaded and with Maybin having a ticket to get in I don't know that he will make it here except as maybe a back up.

Santiago & Cleven both have shots of being in the bigs.

I'm not even going to go into pitching there are 4 or 5 great prospects for each of our minor teams.

IF we were is as shallow as you think this organization is I don't think Dombrowski ever would have gotten rid of Sanchez. Sanchez was expendable because we are very deep and he may be damaged goods.

Radiohead is fairly accurate in saying the majority of prospects are in AA & A.

They are good prospects, don't get me wrong. But they're considered "B" prospects. Teams aren't as interested in "B" prospects. Especially right now. Maybe come the deadline.

The only real available bullpen guys are in Texas and KC. KC isn't going to trade to the Tigers because they're in the same division.

Agreed about Humberto Sanchez. I heard a rumor that Dombrowski had the deal done for Soriano last year but Sanchez came up lame at the same time. Obviously got a steal for Sheffield for him. Maybe in a couple of years he'll be good but he'll be starting his career at 26.

[fish eater]

For what it's worth, my thoughts.

Our organization is very very deep. Everyone can see that. Even this Yorman kid they called up seems to have an ok arm, and he wasn't even on the radar. And Dallas Trahern is skyrocketing up the charts so that's yet another arm. And it's only gonna get deeper. Porcello was the steal of the 1st round and hopefully he can be signed by Aug. 15th. Even if he's not, we get the 28th pick next year as compensation, so it didn't hurt at all to take a flier on the kid. And here's the kicker. That wasn't even our best pick. Our best pick, as far as pure value, and possible upside, is Casey Crosby. Zumaya was a low pick that was taken on potential upside. Crosby looks to be the same strategy, and if he clicks, look out.

We are not going to get Teixiera. There have been rumors about Texas contacting Detroit for a possible deal. Supposedly, Texas asked for Casey, Maybin AND Miller! The insiders say that Dave chuckled out loud. You can forget about that deal. Texas is gonna expect the Moon for Teixeira, and rightfully so. It's not worth mortgaging the future when you can sign Mark this winter as a Free Agent. Why else was Casey signed to a 1 year deal?;)

The lineup is plenty adeqaute. Are there frustrating things about the lineup? Absolutely. C-MO striking out 5 times today and stranding 6 runners kinda sucked. Thames strikes out a ton. Casey has no home-runs from a power position. But, all in all, it's good enough. There's plenty of bats in there that can hurt ya. The only thing that I'm not crazy about, is the strikeouts. In addition to C-MO and Thames, Grandy and Inge strike out way to much. Although Inge has gone on a bit of a tear since the toe broke. Apparently it takes a broken bone to teach you how to stay back on breaking balls???:lol: And Pudge is great and all, no doubt. Phenominal ballplayer. And I know that there is no changing his ways, but it would be nice if he would kinda work the count a little bit and drew a few more walks. That's what seperates Sheff from the rest. Pudge almost always seems to be down 0-2. Again, all in all, the lineup is what it is. It's not the greatest, but it's good enough. It's better than last year, just by adding Sheff in front of Maggs.

It's no secret that the real weakness is the bully. The bully is absolutely killing us. They can not come in and shut the door. Their ERA is what? 5 and a half!? Fellas, c'mon already. Ledezma is in-consistant. Brydak is a surprise who will get exposed now that everyone has film on him. Grilli has been a gas can. Seay is another one that you don't really trust. And Rodney, don't get me started on Rodney. I'm frustrated with FroDo. The guy has a great arm. He's got a live fastball, and an excellant changeup. But he's got a 10 cent brain. He's got absolutely no head. With his arm, he should be way better. But, he's much more of a thrower, than a pitcher.

So the bully has to be addressed. Jones is fine as the closer. And I say that because the fact is, Jones is going to remain the closer until the end of the season. Is he my Fantasy Closer? Absolutely not. But he can get ya by. He's under contract, your not gonna trade the farm for a new closer at mid-season, forget about it. Zumaya is the next closer. Period. The injury really sucks, cuz he is missed the most. This really sets back his progression. He was on track to take the job next spring easily. He is Hoffman, Wagner, Rivera-esque. Only maybe more imtimidating.:tdo12: So the next best option, is we have to have a no-BS setup man that can get the lead to Jonesy in the 9th. Rodney is not that guy. Just ask Bill Hall.:rolleyes: If the price is right, I would love to see Gagne as a rental. But, would he accept the role? Does the chance to be on a playoff contending team help him to take the setup role? And what is the price? If Texas is realistic, and you can get Gagne for maybe 2-2nd tier prospects, then I would love to see him as our setup for Jonesy. What about Lidge? Again, he would come with alot of question marks. Does he expect to still be a closer somewhere? Is he damaged goods? What's Houston command in return? Either way, wether it comes via trade, or from someone within (Durbin, Maroth???) someone has got to step up and be a lights out setup man that we can trust. Someone that can bump Rodney from that role, and get er done until Zoomer comes back, if he comes back. If Zoomer comes back 100%, well then great! Then we got 2 setup men that we can count on. Nothing wrong with that whatsoever. Use the most rested one for the 8th. And that's way way better than creating any kind of closer controversy in the middle of a pennant race.:chillin:

[augustus0603]

I don't think Teixeira is a free agent until 2008.

[PITBULL]

Send, Rodney, Moroth, Robinson and Sheldon if needed to Texas for Texiera and Eric Gagne.

[Jumpshootin']

1B-Morneau of the Twins would be a great catch.
P-Sabathia of the Indians.
The Tigers need to do something about LF. Monroe & Thames aren't the answer. We may see more of Sheffield out there.

Wilson, Maroth, Monroe, and Grilli to the Twins for Morneau.

Thames, Perez, Miner, Grilli, and most of the Mudhens roster:lol: to the Indians for Sabathia.

[radiohead]

Who the hell are Robinson and Sheldon?


Send, Rodney, Moroth, Robinson and Sheldon if needed to Texas for Texiera and Eric Gagne.

[radiohead]

First of all the Tigers do not need to do anything about LF. They score plenty of runs and Monroe puts up very good numbers for a number 8 hitter.

Second, there is no way in hell the Twins and Indians are dealing their stars to the Tigers in the same division.

Third Vance Wilson is A) a backup catcher and B)most likely will not play baseball until the 2009 season. Oh yeah and the Twins and Indians already have 2 of the top 5 Catchers in the league.





1B-Morneau of the Twins would be a great catch.
P-Sabathia of the Indians.
The Tigers need to do something about LF. Monroe & Thames aren't the answer. We may see more of Sheffield out there.

Wilson, Maroth, Monroe, and Grilli to the Twins for Morneau.

Thames, Perez, Miner, Grilli, and most of the Mudhens roster:lol: to the Indians for Sabathia.

[D-Fresh]

1B-Morneau of the Twins would be a great catch.
P-Sabathia of the Indians.
The Tigers need to do something about LF. Monroe & Thames aren't the answer. We may see more of Sheffield out there.

Wilson, Maroth, Monroe, and Grilli to the Twins for Morneau.

Thames, Perez, Miner, Grilli, and most of the Mudhens roster:lol: to the Indians for Sabathia.

Why not just trade the AAA squad for the american league allstars!:lol: :lol: :lol: Maybe Jimmy can bring them all back fron San Fran after the game...

Seriously, Cleveland is not going to trade their ace for anybody, let alone the players you listed off!! And why in the hell would Minnesota trade Morneau?????

[PITBULL]

Who the hell are Robinson and Sheldon?

Sorry, I was running on a couple of hours sleep, I ment Chris Shelton and Nate Robertson. :lol: Thanks for pointing that out :dizzy:

[Brown duck]

I don't think Teixeira is a free agent until 2008.

That's right - which is why I can't understand all the baseball talking heads saying he's going to get traded this year - maybe he will, but I bet the Rangers would like to hold on to him one more year.

[radiohead]

The Rangers would love to trade him, they are going nowhere this or next year. Problem is no one is going to trade the stockpile of prosepcts the Rangers are asking in return for a player who's production has steadily declined since it peaked in 2005.


That's right - which is why I can't understand all the baseball talking heads saying he's going to get traded this year - maybe he will, but I bet the Rangers would like to hold on to him one more year.

[GVSUKUSH]

That's right - which is why I can't understand all the baseball talking heads saying he's going to get traded this year - maybe he will, but I bet the Rangers would like to hold on to him one more year.

If they let him explore free agency, they won't get anything for him. Trade him now and get something in return, I believe that's the thought process at least.....

[Brown duck]

It seems every year there is one blockbuster trade that's talked about for months leading up to the trade deadline that doesn't go anywhere once the deadline comes. Last year it was Soriano. The year before that it was... well someone else. I don't see the reason for the Rangers to trade him this year. They might, I just think they'll want wayyyy too much for him with a full year left on his contract. Maybe teams will be willing to give up more, though, knowing he's not a 3-month rent-a-player.

I understand that free agency gets you nothing in return (ala Juan Gonzalez or Soriano), but with a year left, they have other options.

[augustus0603]

That and he's going to be on the DL for the next 5 weeks.

[Brown duck]

That and he's going to be on the DL for the next 5 weeks.

Oooh, didn't hear that - his stock must be plummeting.