rodney

[wild bill]

why is it every time he enters the game i expect him to blow the lead? once again he does it tonight. he needs to go or only pitch when theres a 5 run lead.:rant:

[Steve]

They really need to make a trade to shore up that bullpen. I hope Dombrowski is ready to pull the trigger on something when Rodgers comes back.

[erodrig4]

before last year, i couldn't stand rodney, then last year, him and every other tiger had a good year, so i thought 'hey, maybe he isn't so bad, maybe he found his "stuff"', but now i remember why i couldn't stand him.

[slayer]

Why oh why!!! did he pull Maroth ???? He was doing a fine job ???? I don't get it ??

[ckhanna]

Rodney Sucks!!!

[CMR]

Man, he needs to go.:rant:
There are three things you know for sure in life-
1) Death
2) Taxes
3) Rodney blowing the lead!!!!!
I really don't understand why he's still around. IMHO, he should be the first player on the trade list but then, who would pick him up? And for what?

[QuickStrike]

I didn't watch the game, but it shows just how crucial Zoom's arm is to this team.

I wonder how the pitching dynamic changes when Rogers comes back. Does Durbin or Maroth, or Rogers for that matter, get moved to middle-relief?

[boots741]

1-5 with a 5.76 ERA, and he had given up 27 hits in 25 innings..only Grilli has a higher ERA.
So, your two middle relievers have the highest ERA's on the team. :confused:

[WILDCATWICK]

1-5 with a 5.76 ERA, and he had given up 27 hits in 25 innings..only Grilli has a higher ERA.
So, your two middle relievers have the highest ERA's on the team. :confused:


ERA's don't matter one bit when it comes to releivers. Saves vs. Save Opportunities, & holds. Those are the only things that matter for them.


Roddney will be O.K. He has talent. THey just need to get it thrugh his head to stop throwing ball by trying to paint the corners. Make the batters beat him don't beat yourself. He did that last year and he was very successful.

He's the type of player that you could rid of and then he would find alot of success elsewhere.

[deepwoods]

I'm not a fan of his or Jones although Jones does seem like a great fit in the clubhouse. We should be 4 games up on Cleveland. Please dump them both.

This is getting up there with FIRE MILLEN!!!!

[CMR]

ERA's don't matter one bit when it comes to releivers. Saves vs. Save Opportunities, & holds. Those are the only things that matter for them.
Here's Rodney's stats-
ERA- 5.76
W/L-1-5
Saves- 1
S0-23

Sorry, but the guy is costing us some games that we SHOULD have won, like the one last night. He's hurting the team.

[WILDCATWICK]

I'm not a fan of his or Jones although Jones does seem like a great fit in the clubhouse. We should be 4 games up on Cleveland. Please dump them both.

This is getting up there with FIRE MILLEN!!!!

Nothing like "FIRE MILLEN!"

Tigers are winning - the Lions are not.

Dombrowski makes trades that are good and essential (doesn't trade for the sake of it) - Millen does none of those things.

Dombrowski knows how to draft- Millen does not.

Jones is succesfull - Millen is not. The only thing I see is impatient fans who can't see any benefits in certain players and can't wait to see Zumaya come back to see if he's still going to be your closer of the future before trading for a closer. It makes no sense to me on why you would go get a closer when you really already have your closer now and the closer of your future on this staff. A couple of losses do to an individual is more than acceptable.

[WILDCATWICK]

Here's Rodney's stats-
ERA- 5.76
W/L-1-5
Saves- 1
S0-23

Sorry, but the guy is costing us some games that we SHOULD have won, like the one last night. He's hurting the team.


Every player hurts the team. How many errors that Guillen has had lost the games ultimatly for us? More than Rodney. I don't here the complaints there. Even thus he's old and breaking down.

Rodney has talent. He showed it last year. If he's on track he can be one of the best set up guys in baseball. It's the big picture that you need ot look at.

I resepect your opinions on wanting him gone. But I definetly disagree with you.

[CMR]

Every player hurts the team. How many errors that Guillen has had lost the games ultimatly for us? More than Rodney. I don't here the complaints there. Even thus he's old and breaking down.

Rodney has talent. He showed it last year. If he's on track he can be one of the best set up guys in baseball. It's the big picture that you need ot look at.

I resepect your opinions on wanting him gone. But I definetly disagree with you.

True about Guillen but Rodney's job is too keep the lead and close out the game. He ain't doing it!!! He also didn't do it last year, but not as bad.
Sure he has talent, more than i do because he's in the majors but he isn't getting the job done. Plain and simple. The fans are getting tired of it and I'm sure the team is too. Might be why he was put on the DL, to get his head back in the game. Looks like it didn't help.
I am looking at the big picture. Its not looking good. I know he can do well when he gets on track but from what I've seen, it ain't on track and doesn't look like he's gonna be anytime soon now. Look at his expressions during the games, it shows plan and simple on the mound.
And because of that, he only has 1 win and how many SO's? 23!!!!!!
Come on now......
Rodney's time is up in Detroit.

[augustus0603]

Rodney's time is up in Detroit.

Don't count on it. Expect to toil for a few more years. You don't give up on talent like that. Case in point- Frankie Cordero

[WILDCATWICK]

Don't count on it. Expect to toil for a few more years. You don't give up on talent like that. Case in point- Frankie Cordero


Bingo Bango!

I also must state this again. This is the same staff as last year minus Walker. I didn't here the complaints last year. It really amazes me. Give this team some time. Let them get healthy. Then let them be pitching where they are suppose to. Rodney is not a closer or even the number one set-up man. But he has at times had to be thrown in that position. I also really loved watching Rodney pitch before Zumaya. Brings alot of chang-ups then bring in Zumya with the heat, then close back with Jones. Zummya in the line up made everyone better. It will happen again if he can come back and if you don't trade anyone.

[deepwoods]

Nothing like "FIRE MILLEN!"

Tigers are winning - the Lions are not.

Dombrowski makes trades that are good and essential (doesn't trade for the sake of it) - Millen does none of those things.

Dombrowski knows how to draft- Millen does not.

Jones is succesfull - Millen is not. The only thing I see is impatient fans who can't see any benefits in certain players and can't wait to see Zumaya come back to see if he's still going to be your closer of the future before trading for a closer. It makes no sense to me on why you would go get a closer when you really already have your closer now and the closer of your future on this staff. A couple of losses do to an individual is more than acceptable.

I certainly wasnt' camparing Tiger's management with the lowly Lion's. I was making the point that people, namely me, are sick and tired of this knucklehead blowing games and not supporting the fine job, for the most part, that our starting staff is doing.

For what it is worth I didn't like either one of them last year either. Just my $.02.

[lenray]

Rodney STINKS didn't care for him last year and sure don't this year. He has no emotion for the game looks like he is mad about something. He thinks he should have been the closer last year when Jones started out hurt aND WHEN jONES CAME BACK HE CAME UP WITH THIS BAD ATTITUDE.
They should send him to the minors--no other team with a brain would want him.
I told my wife last night when they brought him in that the game was OVER.
Maroth pitches a gutty game but keeps his team in it and then they give it away like it didn't mean anything.
Mid relief with 5 count them 5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5-5 and others that he didn't get the decision but screwed up enough that the team couldn't come back from his pooooooooor attitude.

[D-Fresh]

What about Byrdak as the setup man? 1.84 ERA, 21 K's in 14.2 innings.

[WILDCATWICK]

They should send him to the minors--no other team with a brain would want him.
:lol: :dizzy: :dizzy:

[Matt3ddsteel]

Relief pitchers have a job when they come into the game and that is to record outs. So when the bullpen comes in over and over again and gives up runs/leads it gets tiring. The offense has been great thus far, but when the game is a close, low scoring affair and we need the bullpen to come through they have stunk up the joint. Yes, Rodney has the potential to be very good, but sometimes he just looks like his confidence is shot.

[y2ba]

I love the Rodney defenders "look at the stats from last yr..i didnt hear anyone complaining about the bullpen or Rodney last yr". Well if thats not sticking your foot in your mouth than what is? Of course no one complained...ya know why?...because they did the job they were supposed to do! Ive been a fan of Fernando..he pitched well for us last yr..as in 2006. Its 2007 now and he is back to the gas can i remember him as. Of course he has talent..he a frigggin major league pitcher..but he isnt pitching like one. All the talent in the world is worth squat if you dont bring it to the ballpark with you. And let me ask all of the defenders this..out of curiousity..if it were sept.1..and the tigers were tied with the Tribe for 1st in the central..would you still be saying..ahhh.. he has talent let him work it out? Like ive said 20 times on these very forums..EVERY game counts when you play in the A.L. central. They are all important. I really believe Dombrowski will make a move when he finds out the status of Zumaya, and depending on Fernados ability to turn it around. Last yr is over..those games they played meen nothing to this yrs team. The memories were awesome and it was a fine season...move-on.

[RJF]

Blown save -- But didn't we only score two runs in that game? I'm not sure pitching is the number one reason we lost it.

[Brown duck]

Blown save -- But didn't we only score two runs in that game? I'm not sure pitching is the number one reason we lost it.

That's the first thing that came to my mind - sure, Rodney is not doing well this season, and it is getting old, but you need to give your middle relief some cusion - there's a reason they aren't starters.

[theredmission]

I swear after tonight and his 8th inning escaped Im done giving him any chance; that was just too close...if I was leyland/dombro. he would be at the top of my 'get the boot' list as soon as the roster allows.

[Steve]

It's time to release the F-bomb ASAP. Send him the way of Mesa.

[y2ba]

That's the first thing that came to my mind - sure, Rodney is not doing well this season, and it is getting old, but you need to give your middle relief some cusion - there's a reason they aren't starters.

And at this point...it appears that cushion is somewhere around 5-10 runs:dizzy:

ill hand it to them..the bullpen did a fine job tonight.

[Beave]

Rodney has too much potential to let go. He has a 95mph fastball and a great changeup. The fastball doesn't have the motion that some guys do, but last year he had decent control and was pretty hard to hit. This year he's either been hurt, or more likely, hasn't mentally adjusted to the responsibility of being the primary setup man. We have several guys on the DL coming back in the next week. Ledezma was traded today for a reliever from Atlanta. Ledezma was a serviceable 4th/5th starter for us, and didn't adjust well to the bullpen this year. He doesn't have minor league options left, but the guy we traded for does, which is why we made the deal. Right now the Tigers have 8 or 9 guys on the roster who'd be starting pitchers on 75% of the teams in MLB, and we only have room for 5 or 6. Ledezma will be a respectable 4th or 5th starter, especially in the NL. Miller will likely go back to the minors when Rogers, Miner, and Roberston return to the team. Durbin may move to the bullpen or may be traded. Right now Dombrowski is probably burning up the phones trying to find teams willing to give him something we can use in return for a starting pitcher.

If you ask me, Grilli will be gone by the end of the week. There's no way he lasts. He was a gas can at many times last year, and he continues that this year. Either Seay or Burdak may be in trouble too. The better move is to get Rodney out of the 8th inning setup man role. When he gets his head (and his hat) on straight he'll be a decent reliever again. I don't see anything about him that indicates he'll ever be a closer though.

[CMR]

When he gets his head (and his hat) on straight he'll be a decent reliever again.
So you're gonna keep him until that happens and take the chance of loosing games when he pitches in the mean time?
Come on now......
It comes down to either a "W" or a "L". Plain and simple. And when you have a pitcher, like Rodney, that comes in and blows the lead either in being a reliever or closer, that hurts the team and the teams record.
Time to go Rodney.

[Beave]

So you're gonna keep him until that happens and take the chance of loosing games when he pitches in the mean time?


I guarantee that's what Dombrowski and Leyland do. I'm sure they would like to take him out of the primary set-up man role though and use him more sparingly until he figures things out.

[William H Bonney]

" All we need is one pin, Roddnneey"

[fish eater]

I'm not a huge Rodney fan, but I will say something that I've noticed his past couple outings. Yes, he's having a terrible year, but I will say this. It's not an excuse, but he must be hurt. I've watched him hard, and there looks like there could be something wrong with his neck. Doesn't he look like he's favoring his neck right before the release point? He's only a 2 pitch pitcher, so his 2 pitches have to be dead on. However, this year, his 2 pitches don't have nowhere near the speed differential that they had last year. Last year there was a drastic difference between the 2. This year at times, the 2 pitches almost look the same. He looks like he's struggling to keep his fastball around 90-91. If it was back around the 95-96 that he's capable of, this conversation could be different.:sad:

[y2ba]

I'm not a huge Rodney fan, but I will say something that I've noticed his past couple outings. Yes, he's having a terrible year, but I will say this. It's not an excuse, but he must be hurt. I've watched him hard, and there looks like there could be something wrong with his neck. Doesn't he look like he's favoring his neck right before the release point? He's only a 2 pitch pitcher, so his 2 pitches have to be dead on. However, this year, his 2 pitches don't have nowhere near the speed differential that they had last year. Last year there was a drastic difference between the 2. This year at times, the 2 pitches almost look the same. He looks like he's struggling to keep his fastball around 90-91. If it was back around the 95-96 that he's capable of, this conversation could be different.:sad:

Your neck would hurt too..if you were constantly whipping your head around to see hard line drives land in the gaps or in the seats!:tdo12:


Someone said Rodney and 95 mph fastball in the same sentance...nuh uh...not this yr:dizzy:

[Westlakedrive]

I think he needs to just put his hat on straight. :rolleyes:

[smokepants]

I think he needs to just put his hat on straight. :rolleyes:

Or he should put it totally sideways or heck backwards and he would be un-:dizzy: hittable.
neil.

[MiketheElder]

If he's got so much talent then why can't he learn to throw a slider or a curve? At least something else to show besides just a fastball? and a changeup.

The idea is to keep the hitter guessing, but if the choice is only one or the other then there isn't a lot of pressure on the batter. He pulls the changeup or pushes the fastball.

He's like a guy I work with. Just looking at him makes you depressed.

[Brown duck]

If he's got so much talent then why can't he learn to throw a slider or a curve? At least something else to show besides just a fastball? and a changeup.

The idea is to keep the hitter guessing, but if the choice is only one or the other then there isn't a lot of pressure on the batter. He pulls the changeup or pushes the fastball.



Not atypical for a reliever to have only one or two pitches - that's why they don't start. Not to say I'm a huge fan of the guy either, but he got his couple outs on Saturday. Besides, people love Miller and he only has one pitch!

[y2ba]

Not atypical for a reliever to have only one or two pitches - that's why they don't start. Not to say I'm a huge fan of the guy either, but he got his couple outs on Saturday. Besides, people love Miller and he only has one pitch!

Just because a guy only uses one pitch...doesnt mean its the only pitch he has. Miller infact has a very nasty slider..very nasty. You only saw him use his fastball last night because he was locating it that well. Verlander has done the same thing from time to time. Remember...Pudge is calling the pitches..and in Millers starts pudge might be getting the calls from the dugout..so its not on the pitchers themselves...and a rookie doesnt shake off a pitch pudge rodriguez calls

[radiohead]

He doesn't need a slider or a curve. He has a filthy changeup, most scouts say the best in the game when he locates it. He's got a mid-90's fastball and a deadly changeup. When he is locating his pitches he is just fine. His problem is location, not needing more pitches to go wrong with.




If he's got so much talent then why can't he learn to throw a slider or a curve? At least something else to show besides just a fastball? and a changeup.

The idea is to keep the hitter guessing, but if the choice is only one or the other then there isn't a lot of pressure on the batter. He pulls the changeup or pushes the fastball.

He's like a guy I work with. Just looking at him makes you depressed.

[augustus0603]

He has a filthy changeup, most scouts say the best in the game when he locates it.

Most scouts must have never seen Johann Santana or Pedro Martinez pitch. At least when Pedro is pitching.

[Beave]

Back on the 15-day DL due to tendonitis in his arm. If nothign else, this will allow Miner to come back and get some work before Dombrowski has to move another reliever.

[theredmission]

Back on the 15-day DL due to tendonitis in his arm. If nothign else, this will allow Miner to come back and get some work before Dombrowski has to move another reliever.
:woohoo1:

[TheMAIT]

Amen---bring back Maroth....bring back Maroth
lol

----CAN GRILLI JOIN HIM ON THE DL AS WELL????