How about a Crossbow section...

[Eddie3412]

It would be nice if there was a section on the board for the crossbow guys to post their stuff....


Eddie

[IceDaddy]

I agree, and one for clothes, boots, binoculars,guns, bows,stands.
that way everything would be broken down into it's own seperate catagory.:lol:

[Eddie3412]

At least that way we wouldn't have to see the propaganda every day in here.

[SgtSlaughter]

It has become a bit tiresome....

[NoWake]

At least that way we wouldn't have to see the propaganda every day in here.

I think it is a great idea, I really hate polluting YOUR section of this forum.

[MERGANZER]

Just place the crossbow info in the same place that you would normally for guns. That will work right:evilsmile

Ganzer

[soggybtmboys]

Currently trying to 'talk' with one of the mods about this and the fact that anytime a thread starts on the subject, it becomes closed rather quickly. I am hoping that he could possibly talk it over with the other mods and kinda see where we go. From everyone I talked to, the mod I am talking with in a lot of people's opinions is one of the best we have on here. Let ya know how things turn out.

[Riva]

I agree and have sent Steve a few PM's recently suggesting same. Have not had any reply though.

Here is a thread from "hunting.net" forums exactly as you are suggesting. Very informative and for the most part, quite civil. Just talk about equipment, experiences, gear, etc. Lacks the local "Michigan" flavor though, IMHO.

http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tt.aspx?forumid=96 (http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tt.aspx?forumid=96)

Now…I can't wait to hear the predictable and insipid comments that are sure to come from this post from the "you know who" community.

[soggybtmboys]

Big difference iin how they talk about crossbows, they are civil, and they bring up some really good points that have not come across before a thread gets shutdown.

[boehr]

It is very simple. One can post any opinion they want on any subject, including crossbows providing their post does not attack someone else. As long as this is done the thread will not get shut down. One can make any good or bad points they wish about the subject but stay on subject and don't attack. Simple as that.

As for a dedicated thread, I personally don't see a need for it no more than I see a need for a 308 rifle thread or 30-06 rifle thread, etc. It is called deer hunting and we have a thread for that subject. We don't have a thread called "lets attack someone for their opinion though.

[marty]

Maybe we can get a formun at MBH LOL:D The we could all meet in a deep dark room and do the secret crossbow handshake:lol: ...........m:D

[Eddie3412]

Just place the crossbow info in the same place that you would normally for guns. That will work right:evilsmile

Ganzer

Good one

[NoWake]

I guess the Archery Tech section would be a good place to discuss non-whitetail related crossbow topics since they are archery equipment.

General modern archery discussions about technique, equipment, etc. Do not post hunt reports here they go in the Michigan Whitetail Deer forum.

[Kelly Johnson]

Archery section is fine but the reason these keep getting closed will get them closed everywhere.

[soggybtmboys]

It is very simple. One can post any opinion they want on any subject, including crossbows providing their post does not attack someone else. As long as this is done the thread will not get shut down. One can make any good or bad points they wish about the subject but stay on subject and don't attack. Simple as that.

As for a dedicated thread, I personally don't see a need for it no more than I see a need for a 308 rifle thread or 30-06 rifle thread, etc. It is called deer hunting and we have a thread for that subject. We don't have a thread called "lets attack someone for their opinion though.

Probably a valid point here. Personally, I would like the opportunity for my father to get in the woods with me for more than just the rifle season. My father is getting older and he will be 62 this year. He does not qualify for a crossbow under the current criteria, even though he is having intermitten shoulder and wrist problems, plus he just got a hernia. My dad is tough as nails, but that fact remains that as we all get older we start to slide down hill and in some cases fall apart. It is hard enough to get time off work raising children alone and to make sure I have those magical 15 days off to ensure my father can hunt with his son instead of having the opportunity to be able to hunt with my father in climates that are not as harsh as the mid fall and end of fall can be, not to mention late season bow. Possibly we do not need a separate thread. Thinking about it as Boehr has put it, he is probably right when you put into those context.

But we should not have the threads slammed shut, because someone hijacks the topic, or starts a civil war. My father is getting old and in the waning days of a good life. Because he busted his tail to provide for me and my brothers and did not have the time that some people have been fortunate to have with their children....because of a few opinions of a minority........I am looking down the barrel of having less opportunity in the woods with my father? I think those who oppose the crossbow regulation proposals really need to take a step back and think about it all.

If you were in my shoes.........how would you feel?

Furthermore, how do you think the father of modern bowhunting would feel about all of this? He did infact help if not invent the compound bow and sell it through his company. Have any of you had the chance to meet him when he was alive?

I did. He was a nice man, I was a kid and met him at old man Springer's place. He was a gentle giant with kind eyes, and I would think he would be embarrassed at how we are behaving with what he worked so hard to get. He was all about the sport, but Fred was very much more about the outdoors. That was his passion, the bow was a path to those ends. As a very young man when I met him, he left an impression on me that has lasted a lifetime...and it was a good one. Really, everyone on both sides of the fence need to reflect on the greater magnitude of this all.

Ok, said my .02 cents. Please think about all of this you guys ....and girls.

Dean

[beervo2]

i agree we could use a crossbow theard..http://www.archerytalk.com , this is a very good site they have a dedicated crossbow forum, but not many hunters from michigan..

[Steve]

The archery tech forum is a fine place for crossbow threads at the moment.

[Munsterlndr]

Since crossbows have been around since around 1000 AD, maybe we should post these threads in the traditional archery forum. :evil:

[farmlegend]

Since crossbows have been around since around 1000 AD, maybe we should post these threads in the traditional archery forum. :evil:

ROTFLMAO!
:lol:

[Ferg]

Seperate crossbow forum at tndeer - never gets closed down - because guys that frequent that forum talk about crossbows - and not each other and the forum is not sniped by 'others' inorder to get things closed down.

Bohr and Kelly summed it up pretty good before, I have nothing to add to that.

And just for the record - tndeer's 'deer management' forum is called 'Quility Deer Management' - and threads almost never get closed down there either, for the same reason the crossbow forum doesn't. :evilsmile


ferg....
And for the record - I'm neither for nor against crossbows, don't care either way - doesn't affect me or mine in anyway - FYI.

[Whit1]

Since crossbows have been around since around 1000 AD, maybe we should post these threads in the traditional archery forum. :evil:

Jimmy........Do ya see yon corner? If you do then go sit in it for a spell............:lol:

[huntingfool43]

Since crossbows have been around since around 1000 AD, maybe we should post these threads in the traditional archery forum. :evil:

:lol: :lol: :yikes: :lol: :lol:

good thinking Munster, I like it.

[NorthJeff]

Since crossbows have been around since around 1000 AD, maybe we should post these threads in the traditional archery forum. :evil:

Got to be the answer! ;)

[NorthJeff]

And just for the record - tndeer's 'deer management' forum is called 'Quility Deer Management' - and threads almost never get closed down there either, for the same reason the crossbow forum doesn't.

They have the internet in TN?!? :evilsmile

[swoosh]

Seperate crossbow forum at tndeer - never gets closed down - because guys that frequent that forum talk about crossbows - and not each other and the forum is not sniped by 'others' inorder to get things closed down.

Bohr and Kelly summed it up pretty good before, I have nothing to add to that.

And just for the record - tndeer's 'deer management' forum is called 'Quility Deer Management' - and threads almost never get closed down there either, for the same reason the crossbow forum doesn't. :evilsmile


ferg....
And for the record - I'm neither for nor against crossbows, don't care either way - doesn't affect me or mine in anyway - FYI.


Ferq I can understand that completely;) I have some good friends from Iowa and Kansas who worked here in MI for 2 years. They were amazed on some of us acted and how we treated each other.

With all that is going in our world, getting all mid-evil about crossbows just seems nuts.

We have bigger fish to fry;)

If we could get folks to put as much effort into MI as they do fighting against things. Our state would be in way better shape.

Seems we are always fighting against something in MI, and not helping MI:sad:

[Whit1]

They have the internet in TN?!? :evilsmile


:lol: :lol: :lol: .........Sorry Ferg, but Jeff's question just hit my funny bone when it was vulnerable!!!!

[Whit1]

Ferq
With all that is going in our world, getting all mid-evil about crossbows just seems nuts.

We have bigger fish to fry;)

If we could get folks to put as much effort into MI as they do fighting against things. Our state would be in way better shape.

Seems we are always fighting against something in MI, and not helping MI:sad:



Swoosher........ya just said a mouthful of truth in those comments!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Elk Guide]

I wasn't going to post on this topic but i think i would like to make a few things plain on here......I am not againest any one useing crossbows in fact i may have to start useing one because of my disability but there is one thing i would like to say.......I personally hunted with Fred Bear when i was a young man my great uncle was one of his best freinds and Fred did not invent the compound bow in fact he didn't like them at all period! The compound bow was invented by a guy by the name of Allen he made the first one and still holds the patten on them.......I remember hereing Fred tell my uncle that when he sold his company that he had an agreement that they were not to make compound bows and put his name on them.....After he died they got permission from his widow to do so and that is the way bear compounds got started if he had lived there would not have been any with his name on them.. This info was retold to me back in the 80's by Floyd Eccelston who also was a hunting buddy of freds and has since passed on ....hope this helps and i like i said i think it is time we can use crossbows during archery season period !

[yoopertoo]

And just for the record - tndeer's 'deer management' forum is called 'Quility Deer Management' - and threads almost never get closed down there either, for the same reason the crossbow forum doesn't. :evilsmile


Ok guys, just think, if we all try real hard maybe someday we can be like the Tennesseans ... they utter nary a foul word! :lol:

[Munsterlndr]

I wasn't going to post on this topic but i think i would like to make a few things plain on here......I am not againest any one useing crossbows in fact i may have to start useing one because of my disability but there is one thing i would like to say.......I personally hunted with Fred Bear when i was a young man my great uncle was one of his best freinds and Fred did not invent the compound bow in fact he didn't like them at all period! The compound bow was invented by a guy by the name of Allen he made the first one and still holds the patten on them.......I remember hereing Fred tell my uncle that when he sold his company that he had an agreement that they were not to make compound bows and put his name on them.....After he died they got permission from his widow to do so and that is the way bear compounds got started if he had lived there would not have been any with his name on them.. This info was retold to me back in the 80's by Floyd Eccelston who also was a hunting buddy of freds and has since passed on ....hope this helps and i like i said i think it is time we can use crossbows during archery season period !

Not to dispute your memory or the memory of your friend but that is not the way Dick Lattimer, Fred Bears right hand man, tells it in his autobiography of Fred Bear. Here is a link to a chapter in the book where Fred & compound bows are discussed. According to Lattimer, Bear archery started manufacturing compounds in 1975 when Fred still owned the company and it was still located in Grayling. You are right that Fred hated them but Fred was also an astute business man and he recognized the demand that there would be. I think it is highly likely that if he was still alive and running his bow business that he would recognize the potential demand for crossbows and Bear would manufacture them.

http://www.bowhunting.net/artman/publish/PapaBear101.shtml

[Ferg]

:lol: :lol: :lol: .........Sorry Ferg, but Jeff's question just hit my funny bone when it was vulnerable!!!!


No problem Whit - I was thinking of something witty to say in reply to Jeff's comment, however, I'm actually in TN at the moment and, we'll, you know how much slower things are down here - so it might take me a while -

;)

ferg....

[Ferg]

Ok guys, just think, if we all try real hard maybe someday we can be like the Tennesseans ... they utter nary a foul word! :lol:


I'm only relating a fact from that site - there are many a foul word spoken, however, they are not directed at others on the site or their opinions, only at the actual 'situation' or law that is in question or discussion at the time, say what you will, but as someone that has lived some time in both places, there is something to say for the term 'Southern Gentlemen' - ;)


ferg....

Back to the topic at hand - should there be a crossbow section on this site - and I think Steve already addressed it -

[Elk Guide]

I may have the part wrong about Fred being dead when they started making bear bows but i do know that he had all ready sold the factory and to the best of my knowledge it was being built in florida at the time they started making compound bows. the man i speak of who knew Fred as good as any one Floyd Eccleston told me fred did not like them making compound bows with his name on them...I know it was Jennings that bought him out it seems to me that happened in 74 but i will do some checking .....Wether he would have sold them or not i can say he was a very stubborn man when it came to some thing he beleaved in so i kind of doubt it. And he told me that compound bows were not bows so take that for what its worth.....take care

[weatherby]

I agree also. That would be helpfull

[Munsterlndr]

I may have the part wrong about Fred being dead when they started making bear bows but i do know that he had all ready sold the factory and to the best of my knowledge it was being built in florida at the time they started making compound bows. the man i speak of who knew Fred as good as any one Floyd Eccleston told me fred did not like them making compound bows with his name on them...I know it was Jennings that bought him out it seems to me that happened in 74 but i will do some checking .....Wether he would have sold them or not i can say he was a very stubborn man when it came to some thing he beleaved in so i kind of doubt it. And he told me that compound bows were not bows so take that for what its worth.....take care

Read the chapter I sent the link to and the next one and it seems pretty clear, unless Dick Lattimer totally fabricated the story and time frame, that Fred not only was still running the company when Bear Archery introduced compounds but that he helped design the Alaskan model which they produced in 1975. Fred Bear had sold a controlling interest in Bear Archery to Victor Compometer Corporation in 1968 but he remained President of the company and continued to run the day to day operations until the move to Gainesville in 1978. Bear Archery manufactured compound bows in Grayling for at least three years prior to the move to Florida and Fred Bear was at the helm during that period. While he did not like compounds he saw the potential market for them and certainly took advantage of that market. Bear Archer had operated at a deficit until 1974 but increased sales dramatically between 1975 and the 1978 move. One can only imagine that a large part of this was due to compound sales. Fred did not pass away until 1988 so Bear Archery was selling compounds for 13 years preceding his death.

[fairfax1]

EG....I gotta go with Munster on this one. I think his version of Bear history is a little more dead-on.

It was not Jennings who bought out Bear, it was Victor C. In fact, if my memory serves, it was Bear who bought out Jennings. I believe Jennings lost a patent violation suit to Allen and had to liquidate to meet the judgment. As he said in an interview once....tho I cannot cite the source....he had nothing left but some manufacturing equipment and the brand name 'Jennings'.........he sold 'em both to Bear or maybe it was Bear/Victor Comptometer by then.

In 1975 I lived in Ohio and belonged to an archery club near Columbus. Jennings compounds were considered the 'premium' brand at that time. Any other manufacturer or model, including Bear's Alaskan was considered a bit lower on the food chain. Again, if memory serves, the compound brands then on the market were Allen (a big clumsy rig); Oneida (a big clumsy rig); PSE (an up and comer).....and the belated Bear Alaskan, which was expensive for the time and seemed to disappoint the market.

That was 32 years ago.......and that's about all I can recall.... been some brain cells killed since then.


fx1



PS....by the way, it is such a pleasure to publicly agree with M. I honestly find much of what he writes on many topics quite credible.....and entertaining. True, he does have this one really regrettable tic. But, his other habits are good.

[PrtyMolusk]

Howdy-

Question asked and answered, so I'm going to close this one down.

Thanks, all, for keeping it civil this time. ;)