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spectr17

05-31-2007, 11:03 PM

Spoon Fed

06-01-2007, 07:17 AM

Lets not even get started on cheap shots in that series:rant:

William H Bonney

06-01-2007, 07:30 AM

Chelly is a punk from way back in his Hawk days. Cheapshot someone and then look for the ref. Figures he'd take a poke at Neidermeyer at the end of the series and then not shake hands.

And he wins the Mark MEssier Leadership Award for 2007?

Please.

:lol: It goes back longer than that,,, he was like that in Montreal as well. The "cheap-shots" don't really bother me,, some guys do it,, some don't. The not shaking hands part is what really got me riled up,,, ya just DON'T do that. :rant:

Rustyaxecamp

06-01-2007, 08:12 AM

BigDaddy

06-01-2007, 08:27 AM

Rough crowd here, a bunch of Cheli haters!!!! I give the guy allot of credit to be as old as he is and plays at the level he plays at. He's a different player now. He's come out more than once and apologized for not shaking hands. Maybe he could be like Barry Sanders and not say anything. As for him missing a couple games because of a death in his business I would hope you could think of something better to rip him on.:dizzy: It's not about being an Iron Chef it's more about doing the right thing and manning up!!!! He's a stand up guy both on the ice and in the community!!!! I hope he plays again next year. From the interview yesterday on Stoney and Wojo it's sounds like Cheli, Dom and Bert should be back.

CMR

06-01-2007, 08:42 AM

The not shaking hands part is what really got me riled up,,, ya just DON'T do that. :rant:
So what about when McCarty wouldn't shake Claude Lemiuex's hand after a game? :D

Dedge

06-01-2007, 09:14 AM

So what about when McCarty wouldn't shake Claude Lemiuex's hand after a game? :D

I think he shook his head though!:lol::lol::lol:

I like Cheli and hope he comes back. He was pretty shook up and emotional. Oh well, it happens. Before he left he did go over and congratulate the opposing coaches, so it is not like he was being a jerk about it. Opinion, opinions.

Dan

augustus0603

06-01-2007, 09:28 AM

In my opinion, it just shows the lack of class on his part. I respect his longevity, but he has always been classless.

Great representation of our country in the Winter Olympics in Japan. He and his pampered teammates decide to tear up the dorm rooms.

I won't even mention what I've seen from that idiot in bars.

Chousse

06-01-2007, 09:52 AM

"Mr. I can't come to the game because someone got stabbed in my resteraunt", will retire.

If you replace the word "Someone" with "two employees" and "stabbed" with the word "Murdered" it puts a little different light on the subject.

He owns a business. Two of his employees were murdered at work. He may have been a little shaken. :rolleyes:

Rustyaxecamp

06-01-2007, 10:15 AM

Then retire from hockey and run the business.

This ain't club hockey.

Chousse

06-01-2007, 11:22 AM

I believe this picture supports the notion he can do both... :lol:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/198/524911704_6ce6021957.jpg?v=0

BigDaddy

06-01-2007, 12:20 PM

My wife and I have been going to the training camps in T.C. for about 5 years now and I've seen first hand how he acts in the bars.....Yes he likes to have a good time and can party like a rock star but, he's ALWAYS one that stays after practice and signs autographs for EVERYBODY.
Rusty sounds like you just have a thing for him. To call him out on helping his co-workers at a time like that in just uncalled for. I think it shows class on the Wings for letting him deal with it and him wanting to deal with it. As much as I agree it's their work to play the sport, everybody needs time to deal with issues like that. There is more to life than work and sports.............:dizzy:

ih772

06-01-2007, 04:22 PM

once a hawk, always a hawk. Didn't like him then, don't like him now.

Hopefully, "Mr. I can't come to the game because someone got stabbed in my resteraunt", will retire.

I forget again......are we being Iron Chef or playing hockey?

Wow, sounds like you have an AX to grind.....

I hated him in Chicago but grew to love him in Detroit.

Chelios also watched his sister die from cancer as he got her the best medical help he could afford. Throw the murders on top of it and he's had some really rotten things to go through in life.

Just wait until you have to go through something traumatic in your life and we'll see what you have to say on the subject then. I bet it will open your eyes and you'll understand a little bit of what he went through and maybe you'll become a more compassionate individual.

Rustyaxecamp

06-01-2007, 04:42 PM

Before the pity party gets too riled up, I've been through plenty in my relatively short (30 yr) life.

Like I said, I don't care for him as a hockey player. I understand he had bad stuff happen this season. I just think that he is to a point in his career where he needs to decide if he wants to do one thing or another. An example of the opposite "mindset" of an athelete would be like Brett Favre playing the night after his father died and having one of the best games of his career. Brett still has that "fire", not saying Chelly does not have desire and great will, but I don't think he is what he was 10-15 years ago.

Time for him to retire and run restaurants or whatever. There are plenty of up-and-comers or other D men in the league who would like to play for the Wings.

FWIW - I can't stand Draper either, so maybe we could put Chelly, Draper, Lang and a used puck bag together and pick up a goalie.:idea:

William H Bonney

06-02-2007, 08:39 AM

So what about when McCarty wouldn't shake Claude Lemiuex's hand after a game? :D

For some reason I don't remember that. Either way,,, Mac still lined up and shook with the other players,,, I have no problem with not shaking a particular persons hand,, just don't bolt to the locker room and completely disrespect the game of "Hockey".

As other's have mentioned Cheli's personal life,,, sister, employees,, whatever,,, that didn't have ANYTHING to do with him not shaking hands.
He said he was "too emotional" because they lost,,,,,,,,:dizzy: Ummmm,, hey Chris,,,, that's part of it too, sometimes you don't win.:dizzy: Man up, Cheli.

Ole Spike

06-02-2007, 10:25 AM

He said he was "too emotional" because they lost,,,,,,,,:dizzy: Ummmm,, hey Chris,,,, that's part of it too, sometimes you don't win.:dizzy: Man up, Cheli.[/quote]
Yeah, I agree with this statement. He has definately been on the winning end his fair share and he should be a good sport about losing. After reading his statement later, I do think he genuinely regrets what he did.

chrisu

06-02-2007, 02:10 PM

Yeah, I agree...he probably is sincere in his regret, but it was a less than stellar example of sportsmanship. That is one of the things I have always appreciated about playoff hockey. You just don't see that in other sports - the respect given to one another after a hard fought series.

As for comparing Cheli missing a couple games to Favre, last I checked, there are 6 D-men plus available player call-ups for the team that plays 82 games in a season versus 1 QB with a backup and a clipboard holder playing a 16 game season. A football player missing 2 games misses 12.5% of their season compared to 2.4% for a hockey player...Not to mention Farve is pretty ego-driven with the "iron-man of football" title he quietly covets...

Love Cheli of hate him, he wears the Winged wheel and that makes him ours...if his play was a detriment to the team, fine, but last I checked, he had a solid year.

Rustyaxecamp

06-07-2007, 04:23 PM

Looks like Ol' Man River is indeed coming back.:rolleyes:

The Detroit Red Wings (http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/teams/det/) are close to bringing back 45-year-old defenseman Chris Chelios (http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/80/) for another season. "I met with Chris last week at his exit interview," GM Ken Holland said. "He wants to come back; we want to keep him; I don't anticipate this taking a lot of time."
Source: Detroit Free Press (https://www.detroitmedia.com/circulation/freep/)http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/nt/ic/ut/bsc/newwin12_1.gif (https://www.detroitmedia.com/circulation/freep/)

Rustyaxecamp

06-12-2007, 04:05 PM

DETROIT (AP) -- The Red Wings re-signed 45-year-old defenseman Chris Chelios (http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/80/;_ylt=AmuhXAN84aSRPwW_02cO_TImvLYF) to a one-year contract Tuesday.
Chelios has played a key role for Detroit after Jiri Fischer (http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/1936/;_ylt=AkHxwFPHwZzi6Lkt6y7lQe8mvLYF) was sidelined with a heart ailment during the 2005-06 season and Niklas Kronwall (http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/2517/;_ylt=AqZzg5i2caus_OQl0_5T_7cmvLYF) was injured last season. He is coming off his 23rd NHL season and his record 22nd postseason appearance.
The Red Wings were eliminated in six games from the Western Conference finals by the Anaheim Ducks (http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/teams/ana/;_ylt=AqXaZ0sCNXQ2dOP0NVtc6dQmvLYF), who went on to win the Stanley Cup. "He has taken conditioning to a new level and has set the standard for how today's professional athlete trains year-round in order to compete at an elite level," Red Wings general manager Ken Holland said

neil duffey

06-12-2007, 06:40 PM

fine w/ me...:)

CMR

06-12-2007, 10:00 PM

fine w/ me...:)
Yeah, same here. Cheli will retire here, no doubt about it. Ok, sign him for 1yr. Ok, no problem. But....the Wings need more fresh blood, especially in his position. Its not like we're gonna trade him, who would pick up a 45yr old defenseman?

Dedge

06-13-2007, 11:46 AM

Welcome back Chris!

Dan

William H Bonney

06-13-2007, 12:17 PM

At this point,, IMO,, he's just taking up space. His best days are clearly behind him,, make room to bring in/up some other potential Norris Trophy winner. If they didn't sign him,, he mostly likely woulda retired, so he's not gonna burn ya down the road with some other team. This team is full of veterans, mentors, good lockerroom guys so they don't really "need" him there for that. If anything,,, bring him back as some sort of defensive "consultant" or asst. to the traveling secretary or something.

redwingsdude

06-13-2007, 05:42 PM

Taking up space? Ha. His best days certainly are behind him, he won a Norris in his twenties, and he's 45 now, of course he isn't as good now. For the past 3 or so seasons I wasn't very impressed and had been noticing him going downhill, but this was the best season he's had in years, and was very effective. He was supposed to play 10-15 minutes all season, and yet was playing 25 minutes against the best competition in the later rounds of the playoffs. He would be a top 3 d-man on a lot of teams around the league, he's hardly taking up space on our third pairing, especially at less than $1 million per year.

cadillacjethro

06-13-2007, 06:38 PM

His experience will be a valuable asset to the youngsters. A bargain in my opinion.

William H Bonney

06-13-2007, 06:51 PM

His experience will be a valuable asset to the youngsters. A bargain in my opinion.

Coulda been an even better bargain,,,,,, bring up some young gun defensemen and have Chelios coach him,, for around 250 to 500K. They already have enough leadership and experience on defense. Lidstrom and Schneider take care of that. While the Wings re-sign a 46 year old,,, 29 other teams are signing a 19 or 20 year old, 6'5", 230 lb. kid that can skate like the wind and is full of piss 'n vinegar.

cadillacjethro

06-13-2007, 07:26 PM

William H Bonney

06-13-2007, 07:38 PM

Don't think he would have. Would be nice for the Wings to find that 6'5" gorilla that can skate, make a good outlet pass, and hand someone their hat. Of course every team in the world is looking that.

Honestly,,, I don't think he woulda either. I look at this re-signing as a "lateral" move as opposed to a possible upgrade. I think Kenny shoulda took some more time on this one. I'm actually starting to wonder now if,,,,, this is a sign,,,,,,,,, a sign that maybe Kenny isn't going to be able to re-sign one of the "higher priority" players. Hmmmmmmmm,,,:16suspect

cadillacjethro

06-13-2007, 07:41 PM

World class organization. You gotta have faith.:lol:

redwingsdude

06-14-2007, 02:41 PM

While the Wings re-sign a 46 year old,,, 29 other teams are signing a 19 or 20 year old, 6'5", 230 lb. kid that can skate like the wind and is full of piss 'n vinegar.

I forgot that Erik Johnson's are a dime a dozen. ;)

William H Bonney

06-15-2007, 08:49 AM

I forgot that Erik Johnson's are a dime a dozen. ;)

The Wings scouting staff is one of the best in the biz. Don't tell me they couldn't "stumble" upon some big, nasty, kid.
There are so many diamonds in the rough out there now,,,, it's not even funny. Kenny "has to be" anticipating "not" being able to re-sign "someone".
I can't see any other reason. If you're gonna gamble(which IMO, I think they're doing with Chelios),,, why not gamble on a "big kid"??? Listen,, I know it's hard to argue with anything Kenny does,, but I don't know about this one. Teams are getting bigger, younger, faster not smaller, older and slower. Anaheim is a perfect example. I just googled the Ducks and Wings rosters,, side by side,,, OMG,:tdo12: Take a look for yourself and tell me what you think.

redwingsdude

06-15-2007, 04:32 PM

The Wings are doing what they can to get big guys with the poor draft positions they've had, but there's only so much you can do with a late second rounder, as they haven't had many first rounders, and Kindl was their first top-20 pick in over a decade.

The Wings have Johan Ryno, but big guys drafted in the later rounds don't have near the ceiling of a guy like Johnson, a #1 pick. If a big guy who is truly that gifted comes around, then he'll be picked top ten. There just aren't that many big men who can skate and score.

The guys they do stumble on are almost always Europeans. If there is a 6'5 kind playing in Ontario, someone is going to find him. The Wings have had good luck with smaller Euro players, almost all of whom don't play physical because of the league that they're in.

But it would be nice to get some of those guys, it's just much easier said than done.