No dove hunting = no hunting, period!

[3006]

So, it looks as though the anti's have a stronghold in Michigan.

You are now fighting license increases. It is claimed that they "need" the increases to support DNR and "other" programs.

You are now fighting restrictions on trapping. Several hunters I talked to said that they were against dove hunting and that anti's would never go after bow hunting or trapping. Hence they forget bear hunting scandal several years back?

It is only a matter of time before trapping and bear hunting are things of the past in Michigan. Also look for decreased opportunities at bow hunting as cities/townships enact laws prohibiting hunting as that anti's gain strenght in office.

[Whit1]

So, it looks as though the anti's have a stronghold in Michigan.

You are now fighting license increases. It is claimed that they "need" the increases to support DNR and "other" programs.


Where and how you make the connection between the license fee increases and anti-hunting groups is way beyond my ability to comprehend. Simply put............IT AIN'T TRUE!!!!!

[Sib]

Everyone I know is going to be hunting Ohio next season. Sounds like you're going to have a lot of company in the woods and fields.

[Wetlandhunter]

So, it looks as though the anti's have a stronghold in Michigan.

You are now fighting license increases. It is claimed that they "need" the increases to support DNR and "other" programs.

You are now fighting restrictions on trapping. Several hunters I talked to said that they were against dove hunting and that anti's would never go after bow hunting or trapping. Hence they forget bear hunting scandal several years back?

It is only a matter of time before trapping and bear hunting are things of the past in Michigan. Also look for decreased opportunities at bow hunting as cities/townships enact laws prohibiting hunting as that anti's gain strenght in office.
I personal think the DNR should be ran by Rosie O'Donald.:D

[theeyes]

Where and how you make the connection between the license fee increases and anti-hunting groups is way beyond my ability to comprehend. Simply put............IT AIN'T TRUE!!!!!

What better way to help the anti's, than to get rid of a few more hunters and if the increase would have happened the way they wanted, it would.

[Whit1]

What better way to help the anti's, than to get rid of a few more hunters and if the increase would have happened the way they wanted, it would.


What better way?
Do as we are now and allow the DNR to keep cutting, cutting, cutting.
Sell off state land to pay for DNR programs.
Remain divided as we are, not willing to pay to play.
Insist that all "players" who utilize state property...hikers, bird watchers, flower lovers, bikers, etc. pay to play to the point where they insist on a say-so in DNR programs including hunting and fishing...............Don't think that could happen? Ask Massashusets sprortsman and woman who are already facing such a scenario (someone had a news article in here about it last Nov. or Dec. to illustrate the point.

I'm sure there are others.

[Sib]

I wonder if the license increase will push Michigan licenses up to what people in Ohio are paying?

Ohio annual resident hunting license - $19.00

Ohio regs state - Deer Hunting - In addition to your hunting license you’ll need one or more of the following deer permits.

Deer Permits
Resident Special deer permit - $24
Urban Deer permit - $15

Minimum to hunt a deer in Ohio (resident) =$34 (urban deer), or $43 if you're hunting in a non-urban areas.

Two deer tags in Michigan are cheaper than a single tag in Ohio. $30 for a combo license, or $15 for a single tag.

:rolleyes:

http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/wildlife/regs/licenses&permits.htm

[theeyes]

What better way?
Do as we are now and allow the DNR to keep cutting, cutting, cutting.
Sell off state land to pay for DNR programs.


Have you seen the new Dump Truck the DNR just bought? 500 hpr
More Chrome than most show trucks, I'm hoping to get a picture soon, so I can show everyone.

The 75,000.00 the just spent at Hill Top training 260 officers.

Where is the cutting?

[Backwoods-Savage]

I hope you are right about training 260 new officers, but I don't know a thing about this new dump truck.

[boehr]

Have you seen the new Dump Truck the DNR just bought? 500 hpr
More Chrome than most show trucks, I'm hoping to get a picture soon, so I can show everyone.

The 75,000.00 the just spent at Hill Top training 260 officers.

Where is the cutting?Obviously you must not get out much. The training was cancelled (even posted on this site) so that money was never spent.:dizzy:

New dump truck = getting things accomplished that wouldn't get done without proper equipment. Since you seem to be on the cutting edge of this money thing, please tell us all what funds were used to get the dump truck, don't worry I won't expect an answer on that because you simply don't know facts, you just make assumptions which end up being wrong more often the not. As for chrome, makes no difference. Some vehicles cost more to take off the chrome and replace it with flat black parts.:dizzy: :dizzy: :dizzy:

[QuakrTrakr]

Not worth it guys. This thread was started just to antagonize.

[theeyes]

You two make a very good team.
I think your probably the only one that knows were all the money comes from.

[walleyeman2006]

what is the point of this thread?....its nice out time to go outside and play:chillin:

[zeronine]

nice waste of cyber space.

[swampbuck]

While I dont think that hunting in general is going to be the target in the immediate future. I check theyre website occasionally and it is clear that certain hunting methods are going to be targeted in the near future.

The things that they are after are baiting/foodplots under the reasoning of hunters intentionally increasing the population so there is more to kill

from the hsus website
"The extent to which wildlife and their habitats are managed and manipulated in the United States to produce animals for hunters to kill is astounding: habitat is managed for maximum deer numbers; wildlife is trapped and transplanted to hunting areas; fires are set; trees are planted; trees are mown down; fields are flooded; fields are drained; tests are conducted to determine if dietary supplements will produce larger antlers; research projects aim at identifying the hardiest non-native pheasant species to release; predators of game animals are destroyed so that hunters can kill them instead."

The thing we need to remember and be concerned with is the non-hunting population.those are the votes that will make the difference. We really need to consider how the non-hunting public percieves the methods we are using.

Another thing we need to consider is that the anti's recognise that outdoors people control the dnr etc. and the relationship of license fees to the continuation of hunting and they have plans in place to get more anti/non hunters in positions of power such as on the nrc.


from hsus
"The remedy necessarily involves a wholesale change in attitude on the part of the agencies, supported by commissions whose members represent the full range of wildlife interests of the public. This is assuredly difficult to achieve, yet has already begun. The next few years will see more ballot initiatives and legislation aimed at curbing the worst abuses, and insistence by an increasingly involved public that the wildlife commissions and state agencies represent their interests. Ultimately, the public will drag the wildlife departments along with them as they demand that the system change for the benefit of the non-hunting majority and, most importantly, for the animals themselves"

Remember they claim 300,000 members in Mich, It takes 175,000 to put a proposal on the ballot. I would bet they can get enough non-hunting votes to kill baiting and habitat improvements. And probaly even get a few non/anti hunters in positions of power. Ask some non hunters that you know about these issues. I have never spoken to one about private foodplots, but I have heard some negative comments about the slaughter on dnr rye fields and A whole lot of negative veiws on baitng from non-hunters that I know. The perception of hunters by the non-hunting public has changed over the years just like hunting has. And not in a positive way.

[QuakrTrakr]

Hey Swamp, I'm a member. Just so I can keep tabs. Their newsletters are completely "G" rated. They don't mention any of their political motives other than save the seal type stuff. You're right about them trying to change the mindset of the public. It's working in the non-hunting community. That's why we all need to take a child hunting, fishing, or trapping. Its vital.

[boehr]

You two make a very good team.
I think your probably the only one that knows were all the money comes from.Not the only two, many people do because they have the thought to check on facts/correct info before posting something that makes it obvious that one's only purpose is to bash. Misinformation is exactly what anti's do. Although I know you are not an anti, misinformation and contsant bashing makes it obvious to some that are on the fence about hunting or fishing to go against hunting and fishing thus helping the antis, especially when something goes to the polls.:yikes:

[kgibby91]

if they would of pased that bill on hunting doves michigan would have more money. and right now i think that would help our state out just a little bit:evil: . and shoting doves dont hurt the dove population, theres millions of those little pests. SHOOT 'EM ALL!:mad:

[QuakrTrakr]

if they would of pased that bill on hunting doves michigan would have more money. and right now i think that would help our state out just a little bit:evil: . and shoting doves dont hurt the dove population, theres millions of those little pests. SHOOT 'EM ALL!:mad:
Too late. We had our chance. Too many people sat on their hands.

[boehr]

if they would of pased that bill on hunting doves michigan would have more money. and right now i think that would help our state out just a little bit:evil: . and shoting doves dont hurt the dove population, theres millions of those little pests. SHOOT 'EM ALL!:mad:
You are part of they.:) You did vote? Right?:) I did.

[theeyes]

You are part of they.:) You did vote? Right?:) I did.

You amaze me, are you the only one that knows it all and makes all the right decisions?
I voted for the dove hunts, had the signs outside the shop and convinced people that they were not going to be using doves as target practice, I'm sure he did too.
Whit and my discussion started by me saying that if the proposal for licenses went through, we would lose hunters, I don't care who you are you have to agree with that.
I like Whit, he can have a discussion without calling everyone stupid.

I should have been for the proposal, it would have helped me, people still would have bought the basic fishing license and still gone fishing.
I may not get out much, but I'll bet I see a lot more hunters than you do and I here what they have to say, or should I say I listen to what they have to say.

You need to chill out, take a bag of Senko's and go catch one of those 14# Bass they have in the lakes down there. :)

[QuakrTrakr]

Not worth it guys. This thread was started just to antagonize.
I told you so!:rolleyes: