animal rights

[walleyeman2006]

Ive hunted and fished my entire life...but these nuts are getting crazy..last week me and the wife were deer hunting in Huron county and i thought i was going nuts for what i saw but my wife confirmed it... people walking through a state game area with a radio blaring....i was 25 ft up in a climder woulda taken me 10 min to get down or i woulda been chasing them ......Im just worried now with these humian society comercials and lies if its going to get violent....stolen pro prop 3 signs now this..i was reading the hsus web site they wanna stop everything and i gotta laugh at them they want people to eat vegitarian but they dont wanna kill the animals that would destroy the crops...they want to see birds but they dont want the fox coons skunks and possums who eat the young and eggs trapped...If i see he nut with the radio agian i may end up on the 6 o clock news it will not be prety:rant: If there were no peta alf elf or hsus id be able to feed my family by just trapping and pay a few other bills witht he way gas is now a trap line is a break even pass time for the love of it mostly ok im done venting but has any one else had any trouble with nuts in the woods?

[mjmmusser]

Not in the woods, but on the river.
Some stupid F'er threw my stringer back into the river in Elk Rapids. Luckily the DNR were right up in the parking lot to witness it. He got a good chase out of me and nice little albeit rough stop by the DNR officer for harrassment.:evil:

--Mike

[Backwoods-Savage]

Bravo!

[tiller killer]

Not in the woods, but on the river.
Some stupid F'er threw my stringer back into the river in Elk Rapids. Luckily the DNR were right up in the parking lot to witness it. He got a good chase out of me and nice little albeit rough stop by the DNR officer for harrassment.:evil:

--Mike


screw the dnr, i would kicked his ass... i got a nasty temper when it comes to pple like that who you know are purposly causing trouble. it was trouble he wanted and i would have given it to him...



duke

[boehr]

screw the dnr, i would kicked his ass...Cool! Then you can get arrested.

To much big talk sitting behind a keyboard, get real!:rolleyes:

[johnsn5]

I hunt on state land about 200 yds. from a known animal rights nut. Every night at dusk, he drives up and down his very long driveway blasting christmas music from loud speakers (this has been going on for 4 years). I keep telling myself to contact the dnr for hunter harrassment, but since he's on his own property, Im not sure what can be done. But what the moron doesnt know, is that he drives the deer to me, making it my most productive hunting spot. So I always get the last laugh.:lol:

[roger23]

hunt some where else. why put up with it ,Its his property. he could start shooting trap .

[tiller killer]

Cool! Then you can get arrested.

To much big talk sitting behind a keyboard, get real!:rolleyes:


no, im serious, i as an american have the right to hunt and fish, the AR guy has the right as an american to hate me for hunting and fishing, but he does not have the right to mess with my harvest of the day... you wont see me over stealing the signs of AR protestors, he has an opinion and i can respect that, why do they have no respect for our opinion and our view...

nothing pisses me off more than hearing of someone walking through the woods durring bow season blasting a radio, or a woman harassing me while im cleaning squirrels on my tail gate. the worst yet was a man on the north dakota outdoors forum who caught a group of young men and women urinating on his bait pile durring bow season.

im not usally and agressive person, however i do have a horrible temper and this would surley cause me to lose my cool...

duke

[ih772]

no, im serious, i as an american have the right to hunt and fish, the AR guy has the right as an american to hate me for hunting and fishing, but he does not have the right to mess with my harvest of the day... you wont see me over stealing the signs of AR protestors, he has an opinion and i can respect that, why do they have no respect for our opinion and our view...

nothing pisses me off more than hearing of someone walking through the woods durring bow season blasting a radio, or a woman harassing me while im cleaning squirrels on my tail gate. the worst yet was a man on the north dakota outdoors forum who caught a group of young men and women urinating on his bait pile durring bow season.

im not usally and agressive person, however i do have a horrible temper and this would surley cause me to lose my cool...

duke

Where did this guy come from? :dizzy:

[tiller killer]

Where did this guy come from? :dizzy:


mid Michigan....

i do not understand how anyone could keep themselves under control if a person walked up and untied your stringer and released you fish to the water...

maybe my temper is worse then i thought....



duke

[StumpJumper]

Where did this guy come from? :dizzy:
Sorry but I'd kick his @$$ too.

[mjmmusser]

I was 14 or so when that happened. At the time if I was the size I am today my temper would probably got the best of me but I was only 5'7" and 125 pounds. Back then I was afraid of slipping through the cracks in the sidewalk.

[part timer]

mid Michigan....

i do not understand how anyone could keep themselves under control if a person walked up and untied your stringer and released you fish to the water...

maybe my temper is worse then i thought....

duke

You might have an anger management problem. I'm sure most of us would be angry if this happened. However, letting that anger turn into physical assault seems extreme. Fish aren't worth time in jail or prison - which is the likely outcome.

[boehr]

Another thread that gives some explaination of why we lost the dove vote.

...as an american have the right to hunt and fish,... Sorry, it is not a right. Some states have passed the right to hunt & fish to their constitution but Michigan is not one of them. The people would have to vote on it and with threads like this, that will never happen, obviously.

Nobody should have to put up with hunter harassment but there are possible legal means to deal with it verses being a vigilante.

[MuskyDan]

No there isn't!!! These people that are harrassing hunters and fisherman are breaking the law. Fight fire with fire and then they can go in and turn themselves in to get you in trouble. In this case two wrongs clearly make a right!!!! I do believe that taking the law into your own hands is dangerous and not really the right way to do things, but I garuntee you it is the most effective!!!

[tiller killer]

You might have an anger management problem. I'm sure most of us would be angry if this happened. However, letting that anger turn into physical assault seems extreme. Fish aren't worth time in jail or prison - which is the likely outcome.


the loss of fish wouldn't be the root of my fury!!! it would be the audacity of the AR activist.....



Sorry, it is not a right. Some states have passed the right to hunt & fish to their constitution but Michigan is not one of them. The people would have to vote on it and with threads like this, that will never happen, obviously.


you sir are correct! i certainly miss-worded my statement.



duke

[tiller killer]

No there isn't!!! These people that are harrassing hunters and fisherman are breaking the law. Fight fire with fire and then they can go in and turn themselves in to get you in trouble. In this case two wrongs clearly make a right!!!! I do believe that taking the law into your own hands is dangerous and not really the right way to do things, but I guarantee you it is the most effective!!!


it would certainly make me feel better, maybe teach the little prick a lesson, however, it wont help us in any way shape or form, the portion of the general public will see this in a completely different way.... the way peta wants them to see it,


"An innocent young man was brutally beaten (maybe a black eye and bloody lip) after trying to set a stringer of michigan's beautiful rainbow trout free, he is being hospitalized (band aid for his lip and a bit of ice) for his wounds, his current condition has not been released. (hes at home on his ass calling all of his AR buddies bragging)"


this is how it is and will be until a) a fatal toxin wipes out everyone that opposes sportsmen b) we get our **** together and create a political monster like peta for sportsman. c) they win and we move to Canada... d) *please fill in the blank* _________________________________



duke

[MuskyDan]

why not just throw the dude in the river, that is exactly what he did with your stringer. Maybe he can swim and maybe he can't, maybe he can effectively dodge a flurry of split shot and pencil weights and spawn hooks and maybe he can't!!! Regardless there will be a ton of people on the banks of the river that will think the AR needs to buy better shoes that help him from slipping into the river when walking its banks.

[tiller killer]

why not just throw the dude in the river, that is exactly what he did with your stringer. Maybe he can swim and maybe he can't, maybe he can effectively dodge a flurry of split shot and pencil weights and spawn hooks and maybe he can't!!! Regardless there will be a ton of people on the banks of the river that will think the AR needs to buy better shoes that help him from slipping into the river when walking its banks.



bwahahhahahhaha...... +1 FOR MUSKY DAN

[Briar Field]

It would be great to "rough them up" but it would not be legal, the publisity would hurt us, and he would take his wounds as a badge of courage and try to draw more radical people in.

I sometimes wish the state had a vouluntary CO program in which people could take some course (proper training not just a seminar but at least a few months or more) and be issued the rights to issue tickets and assist in upholding the conservation laws. The problem would be that would take jobs away from or CO's (which I feel we shoudl have more of) and we could have some heavy tempered people being too aggressive and making it look bad. However it would catch so many more people, because how many times do you run into someone showing off there illeagle activities, or seeing them commit a crime and not having anyone there or noing no one would make it there before they leave. (2 week deer season, how many illeagle activies will be see and committed in a county and how many CO's are available to follow up on them?)

A c0-worker was out fishing with his brother in a canoe on a lake. A couple kids in a Jet ski race by them, circle around, cut their lines, and almost tip them. They watch them pull into one of the houses on the lake and then proceeded there. Once my co-worker and his brother get there, the Dad comes out furious yelling at them to get off the property. His brother calmly replied that is a off duty CO and explained what his kids did. Needless to say the following year there was no jet ski at the house. So it would be nice that more people out there could take care of situations like that. (preferabley more full time CO's)

[MuskyDan]

I would not cosider myself perfect by any stretch of the imagination but I do make blatant statements when I see such things take place. Not just hunter harrassment, but those retards that mess up what we have like the people that litter up Tippy dam and the other major rivers. We cant be afraid to comment and do things to help out.

[answerguy8]

I can't blame anyone for wanting to think about beating up an AR activist. But if anyone actually did it they would be foolish and I would think less of them. Plus you would be facing a bigger legal problem than the activist would, and what's the point of that?

[john warren]

follow them to their vehicle and report their licence number to the dnr, and cops. hunter harrasment is against the law. do not take care of it yourself or you prove they are right . that we are uncivilised.Ive hunted and fished my entire life...but these nuts are getting crazy..last week me and the wife were deer hunting in Huron county and i thought i was going nuts for what i saw but my wife confirmed it... people walking through a state game area with a radio blaring....i was 25 ft up in a climder woulda taken me 10 min to get down or i woulda been chasing them ......Im just worried now with these humian society comercials and lies if its going to get violent....stolen pro prop 3 signs now this..i was reading the hsus web site they wanna stop everything and i gotta laugh at them they want people to eat vegitarian but they dont wanna kill the animals that would destroy the crops...they want to see birds but they dont want the fox coons skunks and possums who eat the young and eggs trapped...If i see he nut with the radio agian i may end up on the 6 o clock news it will not be prety:rant: If there were no peta alf elf or hsus id be able to feed my family by just trapping and pay a few other bills witht he way gas is now a trap line is a break even pass time for the love of it mostly ok im done venting but has any one else had any trouble with nuts in the woods?

[john warren]

your rights stop well before you become violent. that sort of behavior does nothing to prove your right. and only gives the animal rights whackos fuel for the next time the liberal press interviews them. they sure won't interview you.no, im serious, i as an american have the right to hunt and fish, the AR guy has the right as an american to hate me for hunting and fishing, but he does not have the right to mess with my harvest of the day... you wont see me over stealing the signs of AR protestors, he has an opinion and i can respect that, why do they have no respect for our opinion and our view...

nothing pisses me off more than hearing of someone walking through the woods durring bow season blasting a radio, or a woman harassing me while im cleaning squirrels on my tail gate. the worst yet was a man on the north dakota outdoors forum who caught a group of young men and women urinating on his bait pile durring bow season.

im not usally and agressive person, however i do have a horrible temper and this would surley cause me to lose my cool...

duke

[MuskyDan]

I understand your logic and for the most part we are all smart enough not to take the law into our own hands. With that said have you ever heard the quote, "the squeky wheel gets the grease." How many hunter harrassment charges are you aware of. I know of quite a few times that the authorities were called to a situation and the first thing they did was to scrutinize the hunter who made the call, by checking liscences, bait piles, guns, etc. If they found even the slightest of errors they call was no good.

[BuckJohnson]

I know personally that law enforcement takes such calls seriously. I'm sure all officers and prosecutors don't take every case case seriously and there are some that won't take any type of case like this seriously. But if the sheriff won't listen, call the DNR or the State Police. Go up the chain of command if an officer ignores your legitimate complaint. Contact the county prosecutor.
I know of a similar situation where a fellow hunter (obviously not a fellow "sportsman") drove up and down a lane honking a car horn to scare off nearby hunters hunting adjoining state land. The hunters call the DNR who came back to the spot posing as hunters. The guy repeated his behavior and was charged with two counts of hunter harassment. Once for actions directed against the compaintant and once for actions directed against the DNR posing as hunters. After thousands in attorney fees and appeals, the defendant remained convicted of hunter harassment and lost his right to buy a hunting license.
I don't believe that guy, his family or anyone who knew about the case will engage in that type of harassment again. A lesson was served and future bad behavior was deterred all because someone didn't just complaint to their friends about how they were harassed but made a timely complaint to law enforcement and the public officials did their job.

[TankJP]

I hunt on state land about 200 yds. from a known animal rights nut. Every night at dusk, he drives up and down his very long driveway blasting christmas music from loud speakers (this has been going on for 4 years). I keep telling myself to contact the dnr for hunter harrassment, but since he's on his own property, Im not sure what can be done. But what the moron doesnt know, is that he drives the deer to me, making it my most productive hunting spot. So I always get the last laugh.:lol:

He drives them to you... AND... deer can get very used to noise and have it not effect them in the least. If he's been doing this for 4 years, he's the idiot because the deer don't even notice and flinch at his noise anymore!! :lol:

[walleyeman2006]

i guess i should a made this thread a pole to beat or not to beat lol


i just wanna get the lisence number of there vehicle
ive had problems in that area before but that was years ago:yikes:

[U.P. Whackmaster]

I agree that these "individuals" who conduct themselves in the animal rightest fashion, i.e throwing stringers of fish in the river, blaring a radio through the woods during bow season, driving their car up and down their drivway while blaring Bing Crosby singing,"White Christmas"( Bing, by the way, was an avid hunter and fisherman), should receive a swift and hard boot in the***! As reality would have it though, the most effective means of retaliation is using th elaw against them. In this day and age, if this behavior is going to be the "norm", we need to carry our cell phone/ camera or video camera and document the animal right wackos behavior! We could then make a call, report them, and have the video documentation! Besides, if they "offend" you in a public area, we need to conduct ourselves in a civilized manner as to not offend the non-hunting public. This will go a long way in swaying their votes come election time! I too, have a swift temper and was a Golden Gloves boxer. I would love nothing more than to do a sledgehammer tap dance with my fists on one of these morons heads!!! Use the law and technology to your advantage!! Oh, by the way johnsn5, where did you leave the gut-pile? LOL!
Whack

[MuskyDan]

I agree but listen!! The law says that I can hunt on my property for at least something all year long and most of the year it is legal for me to shoot a gun 24 hours a day. My property line borders a anti's and he does his best to offend me daily despite peaceful conversations. Yesterday I observed him screaming for his dog thru the woods on my properties edge. His dog was with him on a leash!!! My thoughts, shoot a gun on the properties edge as close to his house as I can 24 hours a day for as many days as it takes. I am legal!!!

[U.P. Whackmaster]

Leave a series of gut-piles well within eyesight on your property! That speaks in volumes. Heck, I would drag my deer to field-dress them in those types of places!!:evilsmile Now remember little yogurt-sucker where your chicken McNuggets come from! I can hear that lettuce scream!!!! Plants have feelings too!!!! You know what? Most of these activists are into religion. There is a verse in the bible and I don't remember what book it's in but it says to give me my bow and arrow and I will provide sustenance for my family!! It also says in the book of Genesis that man was given dominion over all animals that fly, walk or swim! Seems to me those animals were given rights to garlic and butter! Yummy! 'Nuff said!
Whack

[walleyeman2006]

bugs are animals too and driving your car at night with the headlights kills millions of bugs needlessly because they are photo sencitive lol i was gonna write more but every one can just guess where im going with it lol:lol:

[fasthunter]

I hunt on state land about 200 yds. from a known animal rights nut. Every night at dusk, he drives up and down his very long driveway blasting christmas music from loud speakers (this has been going on for 4 years). I keep telling myself to contact the dnr for hunter harrassment, but since he's on his own property, Im not sure what can be done. But what the moron doesnt know, is that he drives the deer to me, making it my most productive hunting spot. So I always get the last laugh.:lol:
That's actually funny and ironic that he thinks he helping the deer and just helping you. Shows how much he really knows about the deer.:lol:

[fasthunter]

Now about the beat or not to beat question. Seriously if this was in the old days where you wouldn't get in trouble for beating a guy to a pulp for being an annoying moron I would say I would have no shame in it, but unfortunately in this day and age we've quite frankly been neutered in a way and can't do anything remotely like that unless you want to step into a boxing ring or something of that nature. Not only that, but yes it would just prove there point that we are barbarians. I'll admit. I'm kind of a neanderthal in my ways, but I'm still civilized to a point and I don't need that image of a phycho. Know what I mean.;)

[walleyeman2006]

i was joken guys i dont like to fight i got enough of that when i was a bouncer lol

[jiggin jack]

Id just invite those folks over for a wild game meal
(show'em what they've been miss'n)

[alex-v]

Id just invite those folks over for a wild game meal
(show'em what they've been miss'n)
Yes, yes. The AR people will have to turn down all the venison, rabbit, duck, dove and other meat dishes. Make sure that the potatoes are already under a wild mushroom and game meat sauce. The wild rice dish already has roast duck breast mixed in. Next thing they find out is the only thing left for them to eat is some moldy tofu and wilted and browning lettuce for a salad.

[Ray Duve]

Two wrongs clearly do not make a right musky dan.About 12 years ago I had a problem with with stupid *****s where I had leased land.My treestand was on the edge of a river that was easily seen by canoeist and low and behold I was spotted.Every night for two weeks while hunting they would anchor in front of where my stand was beat on pots and pans,loud stereos ,ect. I contacted the DNR and nothing was done. To make a long story short an overheated temper and a few gun shots in the area of there canoe.Yup that was smart thing to do right? Not in the eyes of the law.An hour later two game wardens and three state police waiting for me at my truck(not exactly waiting,more like ambushed while putting my gear away).Almost landed in some serious trouble but the a**holes in the canoe couldnt say for sure if it was me(there were more than myself on the property).They let me leave but took the appropiate info to contact me if needed but I never herd anything after that thank god.Would think of doing anything like that today.I should have just moved but wasnt quite that smart back then.Of course this was way more involved than what is written here but that is a quick watered down version.

[Barry]

Non-hunters will decide the future of hunting. As long as the anti's are viewed by the non-hunting majority as not credible, sportsmen win.

Likewise, the behavior of each individual hunter reflects on all hunters.

[walleyeman2006]

Non-hunters will decide the future of hunting. As long as the anti's are viewed by the non-hunting majority as not credible, sportsmen win.

Likewise, the behavior of each individual hunter reflects on all hunters.

thats why i said you need to protest and get hunters on tv for free stating facts about hunting

[Bunny]

In this case two wrongs clearly make a right!!!! I do believe that taking the law into your own hands is dangerous and not really the right way to do things, but I garuntee you it is the most effective!!![/quote]

If you want to make it right, beating somebody up for stealing your food and throwing it in the river isn't making it right. Now finding out where they live and spraying tons Round-Up on their veggie garden seems like a fair trade. The guy should have been busted for stealing too. Them fish were probably not going to live after being put on a stringer. I'd feel inclined to whoop some butt too but that won't get your fish back, won't solve your issue and will only make us look bad in the eyes of the media.

[mydogisscout]

[/quote] The guy should have been busted for stealing too. Them fish were probably not going to live after being put on a stringer. [/quote]

how about possessing fish w/o a license????

[snakebit67]

Two wrongs clearly do not make a right musky dan.About 12 years ago I had a problem with with stupid *****s where I had leased land.My treestand was on the edge of a river that was easily seen by canoeist and low and behold I was spotted.Every night for two weeks while hunting they would anchor in front of where my stand was beat on pots and pans,loud stereos ,ect. I contacted the DNR and nothing was done. To make a long story short an overheated temper and a few gun shots in the area of there canoe.Yup that was smart thing to do right? Not in the eyes of the law.An hour later two game wardens and three state police waiting for me at my truck(not exactly waiting,more like ambushed while putting my gear away).Almost landed in some serious trouble but the a**holes in the canoe couldnt say for sure if it was me(there were more than myself on the property).They let me leave but took the appropiate info to contact me if needed but I never herd anything after that thank god.Would think of doing anything like that today.I should have just moved but wasnt quite that smart back then.Of course this was way more involved than what is written here but that is a quick watered down version.


Many ray, Im just picturing you putting a couple shots in their canoe and seeing them bail like hell:lol: