If the anti's win

[StumpJumper]

If the anti's won (hypothetically) and outlawed all forms of hunting and fishing, would you still fish and hunt?

[2PawsRiver]

I don't believe for a second that will ever happen. If the majority of Americans chose to outlaw Hunting and Fishing then I would have to abide by the law....................I however did mark "YES". If this Country evolved to that point, well, Canada here I come. I would even put up with the likes of Jinny to be able to hunt and fish:D

[Little Roober]

Just hunt anti's!;)

[neil duffey]

no one will ever take away my right.

[Slick fishing]

Dam right I will just because who has the most money wins dosent mean anything to me, common sence is the most important thing to me.. Cya Slick

PS..Canada would be another option but since my wife has been a paralegal for 21 years now I dont follow blindly just because it's a law, laws can and will be changed as always..

[trouttime]

I don't believe for a second that will ever happen. If the majority of Americans chose to outlaw Hunting and Fishing then I would have to abide by the law....................I however did mark "YES". If this Country evolved to that point, well, Canada here I come. I would even put up with the likes of Jinny to be able to hunt and fish:D

You got it Mark..I will always find a place to fish!!!! Life without fishing just aint gonna happen!!!!! :D

[tdduckman]

to where it was legal

I think if 3 loses (which it may)

I will look for work in a dove state there is only 40 to choose from

other wise I will keep paying indiana every year to hunt my birds in their state


TD

[Tim4Trout]

no one will ever take away my right.

Tell that to sportsmen in Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Massachusetts, Oregon, and Washington who have lost various hunting and/or trapping rights over the past 16 or so years.

None of which they have gotten back :(

[One Eye]

If Prop 3 fails, I will make it a point to travel to Indiana every year and spend some of my hard earned money there. I will then plaster my pictures all over the web for everyone to enjoy. I will also be sending in copies of all of my receipts to my elected officials to let them know how much money they shipped across the border.

I will be keeping a serious scorecard on those that supported this and those that opposed it. I will never forget this and will vote with my pocketbook more than ever before.

Dan

[boehr]

I will also be sending in copies of all of my receipts to my elected officials to let them know how much money they shipped across the border.Elected officials didn't ship that money to another state, voters did.

Hunting & fishing are NOT rights, they are privileges.

If it was and, it is my opinion something like that will never happen in Michigan, I would obey the law and go where it is legal.

[One Eye]

Boehr, I agree that the voters did this. BUT, this could have been handled better in the Legislature when it first came up rather than in the contentious manner that it took get the so-called "compromise". I do not believe I have ever stated anywhere in any of my posts that hunting is a "right" in this state. BUT, it could become such if sportsmen would pull together and amend the constitution as such. After all, you can get just about anything on a ballot initiative in this state. As i have stated many times, why do we vother with a legislature (sarcasm intended).

Dan

[Huntinggirl]

Yes 32,18335%http://www.clickondetroit.com/2000/0905/65680.gifNo 58,46464%http://www.clickondetroit.com/2000/0905/65678.gif


WDIV Click on Detroit :mad:

[StumpJumper]

Hunting & fishing are NOT rights, they are privileges.


Can't tell a Native American that. ;)

[Trout King]

Hell yeah I would hunt and fish. I might be moving to Montana....I love that state! (Not as much as I love Michigan) I might be moving out west just to find a teaching job in a few years anyway.

[BassFisher91]

I'd just move to another state or Canada, but Michigan taking away fishing rights will never happen. Fishing is a huge profit maker for Michigan.

[FISH]

they'd have to take my guns away first..

[Slick fishing]

I think the people have spoken at least in this forum:lol:

As for Hunting & fishing being a right or privilege, I think that could be up for debate, God given rings loud in my ears.. Cya Slick

[NEMichsportsman]

I would hope it would never come to that.

[neil duffey]

Hunting & fishing are NOT rights, they are privileges.


yeah sure they are:rolleyes:

[fasthunter]

Well, technically by law they are priveleges, but in my eyes they will always be a right. Hell the animal rights activists can't even make sense if you think about it. They always preach animal rights, but they forget that people are animals too. Yeah, we are civilized and different because that's how we ended up, but seriously. Think about it if a Lion, Wolf, ect, has the right to hunt so do we. That's why I never considered it a sport even though I love it so much. It's a normal part of life that every living thing must do. Yeah, some eat veggies, but technically those are living cells too. All creatures live off other creatures and species period. Everyone has the right to live so therefore hunting is a right in my eyes. Not only that, but I would still hunt or fish if it was banned. Yeah, for the most part I consider myself a law abiding citizen, but everyone should draw a line on something. I really wonder how many people are out there with no guts and just take everthing that people dish at them??? I've noticed this alot lately. Complacent people that can't think for themselves. Enough said. Rest assured if there was ever a dictator government I would probably be the first on there hit list.:rolleyes: Oh well, I just had to give my .02 cents.

[devo024]

I would just go and hunt where it was legal. But like others have said, no matter what Michigan will never outlaw fishing. Too much money. Its interesting to read these responses, I am hoping the people who say they would still hunt or fish would be going to where it was legal to do so. Otherwise, wouldnt that be poaching? Doesnt matter if you agree with the law or not, if I want the speed limit to be 80 on US 27, do I get to drive 80 and not get a ticket?

So I voted no on the poll, I would not hunt or fish if it was illegal, but Im sure somewhere it would still be legal, so I would just go there.

[pescadero]

Can't tell a Native American that. ;)

Thats because they are a sovereign nation with rights different than those for members of our sovereign nation.

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lp

[Slick fishing]

"QUote'"I am hoping the people who say they would still hunt or fish would be going to where it was legal to do so. Otherwise, wouldnt that be poaching?


Yep I guess that is what you would call me then, but since Peta would be have all the say then they would more than likley be calling it murder.. I get cracked up by reading most every bodys posts and if any of you ever grew up poor on a farm you would understand more of why I stand firm on this.. I was not poor myself my father had a good job like I do now but I went and lived during the summers on a farm that was some of the best education I have ever gotten about living off the land and what it meant to be good stuarts of the land..

I will try and make this is short as possible and some may not agree and some may but it dosent really matter the fact is it's happening today and will continue to happen as long as people need to feed there familys.. Is no matter what laws are passed people that have farms and are trying to make it thru everyday life are going to shoot and eat wild anaimals that live on there property no question about it's god given flat out, you may call them poachers but not like they really care as long as there family gets to eat..

Right now I know 5 diffrent familys that have little to nothing and they shoot deer and other wild animals to get by as well as there gardens help them get by as well and some raise chickens.. I think that we all have gotten so far away from our roots to how it use to be like and not everyone having these good paying jobs where we could go to the store and buy all the food they needed but there are a lot of familys that dont have good jobs and this is how they survive, and they dont care what anyone thinks about it, they do buy there hunting licences but no matter what happens that life style is not going to change..

There not siting on there computer argueing back and forth about this topic they dont have a computer to start with.. But if it ever comes down to feeding my family or worrying about laws Peta got passed what would you do??????? I know what I am going to do,These animals where created by God not man that is why it a god given right in my book.. You all can argue till the cows come home it's not going to change a thing, but what I learned all those summers growing up on a farm has taught me alot.. We are the ones that are supposed to be the stuarts of the land not PETA, all I can say is this may not be your reality but it is for alot of people dont ever forget that.. Cya Slick

[bklompy]

its my right to feed my family no matter what the law if people are starving the goverment cannot keep you from eating its been a way of life for a million years no reason to end it now if i had to use a spear so be it

Amen to slick

[TheBigEasy]

this is a dumb topic, sorry, but it will never happen. Hunting is a huge revenue, and wont ever be outlawed. And to ask if you would if it was illegal(hypothetically), of course not, unless you want to get arrested, it would be poaching, but worse. Its funny how people are blowing this Dove bill out of porportion. Today, nothing is different than three days ago before the election. It wasn't legal then, its not legal now, you act like something has been taken away from you.

[Slick fishing]

I am sure your more than right that it will never be banned because of the revenu it generates for the state and thats great but if you cant see how PETA got a foot hold in this state, you really got blinders on.. If you think everyone that is hunting there property is going to get arrested it's not going to happen, not like we have a over abundance of co's now and if the money is taken away from the DNR because we dont have hunting rights why would they be out there patrolling they wont be because there wont be money for that because hunting is no longer happening, and if you think the cops are going to be running around the country side chasing every gun shot they hear not going to happen Oh thst right you cant hear a bow go off can ya, so lets be real here.. Cya Slick

[eddiejohn4]

We have allowed hunting to be called privilage, the pursuit of happiness is a right.

Hunting is nature in motion, Ill bet the founding fathers would never have thought that there would be such fools running around today, with absolutly no idea of what nature is all about.

[StumpJumper]

this is a dumb topic, sorry, but it will never happen. Hunting is a huge revenue, and wont ever be outlawed. And to ask if you would if it was illegal(hypothetically), of course not, unless you want to get arrested, it would be poaching, but worse. Its funny how people are blowing this Dove bill out of porportion. Today, nothing is different than three days ago before the election. It wasn't legal then, its not legal now, you act like something has been taken away from you.


Grab a dictionary and learn the meaning of the word "hypothetical". Kthnxbai

[fasthunter]

Yep, I guess I'm stubborn and am not afraid to be rebellious at times I guess. Isn't that what our founding fathers of this country did to at one time. Rebel. I'm not saying start a war over this stuff obviously, but believe it or not. There are times when a law should not be followed. I'm not talking about the dove bill either. (Even though it does annoy me that it WAS LEGAL HERE LAST YEAR HELLO!!! The animal rights activists signed a petition to have it put into a vote after it was already legalized and there was a season for a year already.) If all hunting, fishing, guns, ect were banned I would pretty much tell the government to kiss me where the sun don't shine though and I'm proud of that. Being a law abiding citizen is a good thing, but like I said before there is a line.

[fishbuster]

i havent logged in for quite some time. but i wanted to post my 2 cents worth. i feel we lost dove hunting because we as a total group of hunters did not care enough to match the anti's 1.5 million budget. they say WE NUMBER ABOUT 750 thousand hunters in michigan but we could not even donate 2 (two) dollars per hunter to stop the antis TV lies. VERY SAD. that 2 dollars would have matched the anti's money. how many of you hunters gave any money at all to the www. citizens for wildlife conservation. il bet you all have spent some money this fall on crap you really didnt need to do your particular hunting passion,but you could not donate 1 dime,:sad: did you. the anti's read your post and think what a bunch of dummies.this was easy lets go after Pheasants in 2 years. they still wont give a dime. you think, this guy is full of crap. well i gave 150$ i didnt spend i dime on any new gear this year that was my commitment to try to have a new sport. i also talked to at least 100 voting citizens and explained the lies the ant's were telling. how many did you talk to? well iv had my say for now . good luck michigan hunters. lets see if youll give a dollar next time or if you will still say " they will never stop hunting"

[fasthunter]

i havent logged in for quite some time. but i wanted to post my 2 cents worth. i feel we lost dove hunting because we as a total group of hunters did not care enough to match the anti's 1.5 million budget. they say WE NUMBER ABOUT 750 thousand hunters in michigan but we could not even donate 2 (two) dollars per hunter to stop the antis TV lies. VERY SAD. that 2 dollars would have matched the anti's money. how many of you hunters gave any money at all to the www. citizens for wildlife conservation. il bet you all have spent some money this fall on crap you really didnt need to do your particular hunting passion,but you could not donate 1 dime,:sad: did you. the anti's read your post and think what a bunch of dummies.this was easy lets go after Pheasants in 2 years. they still wont give a dime. you think, this guy is full of crap. well i gave 150$ i didnt spend i dime on any new gear this year that was my commitment to try to have a new sport. i also talked to at least 100 voting citizens and explained the lies the ant's were telling. how many did you talk to? well iv had my say for now . good luck michigan hunters. lets see if youll give a dollar next time or if you will still say " they will never stop hunting"
I gave money when I didn't have it and I talked to as many friends and family members as I could. I actually got a few votes out of it. I'm sure there were quite a few on this forum that helped out, but yeah you're probably right though. There are alot of hunters that didn't contibute. I'm sure everyone knows a few. I'm not trying to divide hunters at all!!! Good point though.

[TheBigEasy]

Did we lose dove hunting? Haven't dove been protected for over 100 years in MI. We never had dove hunting, not any of us anyway. Bash me all you want, but this is not the most important this, they are dove, i voted yes on 3, but im not going to cry about it. I couldn't hunt them before, and I still can't, I dont need to make any adjustments, cause nothing changed.

[fasthunter]

Did we lose dove hunting? Haven't dove been protected for over 100 years in MI. We never had dove hunting, not any of us anyway. Bash me all you want, but this is not the most important this, they are dove, i voted yes on 3, but im not going to cry about it. I couldn't hunt them before, and I still can't, I dont need to make any adjustments, cause nothing changed.
I don't think anyone's trying to bash you dude, but there was a dove season last year or the year before in MI. ( I can't remember exactly. I actually can't remember. I never got the chance to hunt them, but I wanted to.) It was passed for a season and there was a season for one year. Then the anti's helped pay people to go out and collect petitions to have it put on a ballot. They were protected for years, but I do recall actually seeing an open season in Southern MI in the hunting guide one year.

[contrary2ordinary]

Did we lose dove hunting? Haven't dove been protected for over 100 years in MI. We never had dove hunting, not any of us anyway. Bash me all you want, but this is not the most important this, they are dove, i voted yes on 3, but im not going to cry about it. I couldn't hunt them before, and I still can't, I dont need to make any adjustments, cause nothing changed.

Only a handful of people really cared. For most people it didn't matter much so it was easy for the anti-hunters to come in and tell people what they can do. That's the worst part of it. It's not that big of deal, I can always go south to hunt, but it sticks in my craw that some people in an office in DC can tell me where and what I can do.

[StumpJumper]

Did we lose dove hunting? Haven't dove been protected for over 100 years in MI. We never had dove hunting, not any of us anyway. Bash me all you want, but this is not the most important this, they are dove, i voted yes on 3, but im not going to cry about it. I couldn't hunt them before, and I still can't, I dont need to make any adjustments, cause nothing changed.

Now maybe you should re-read my initial post and poll question.

Why are you spouting off about dove hunting? This isn't a proposal 3 thread.

Quit trolling my thread damnit

[2PawsRiver]

"Trolling"...............hey, what's this, take a good word and make it into a bad one.:lol:

For at least the next month everything to alot of people will be Prop 3.

Anybody got a good recipie for perch..............yeah I do, but they shot down Prop 3;)

Is a terrible thing, but for now we still have deer hunting.:D

[StumpJumper]

"Trolling"...............hey, what's this, take a good word and make it into a bad one.:lol:

For at least the next month everything to alot of people will be Prop 3.

Anybody got a good recipie for perch..............yeah I do, but they shot down Prop 3;)

Is a terrible thing, but for now we still have deer hunting.:D

I'm never watching The Price is Right again.

[U.P. Whackmaster]

Reality check here people! I hear this "It's my God -given right to hunt"or "They'll never ban this or that kind of hunting!""It'll never happen!" WAKE UP!!!!!! That is what the Canadians said and then lost firearm privledges. Cougar hunters out in California said that an dlost their privledge to hunt Mountain Lions and we all know what chaos they have created out there.The fact of the matter is we CAN lose privledges to hunt and fish if we don't show up for game day. If/when and other anti initiative against oh, say, trapping comes up for a vote, each and every one of us better get everyone we know to the ballots and sway those that don't understand with intelligent data! If they needed more funding to fight this, then we give as much as we can! I'll tell you something, I know many bear houndsmen that vote for all pro hunting even if that is all they do is hunt bears with their hounds. All they ask is that when a referendum comes up to ban bear hunting with hounds, YOU/WE turn out to fight for them! It isn't an us/ them issue! What we're playing with is a house of cards, one falls we all fall. It's happened in other places/ states and if we aren't dilligent, it'll happen to here!! We must dig our heels in next time and kick the crap out of the Anti's! It, their agendas stop NOW!!!! Let me hear an AMEN and pass the gunpowder!!!!!!! 'Nuff said! Oh, by the way, the question was if hunting or fishing were outlawed would I hunt......... two answers come to mind. You can't catch the Gingerbread Man and is a frog's butt watertight?
Whack

[SalmonSlayer]

First off, LET'S GET BACK ON THE SUBJECT AT HAND...


I don't think this would really ever be allowed to happen...there would be the likes of a civil war if it was even proposed.

If for some reason, the blind leaders of our state allowed it to occur....Heck no, I wouldn't stop!!!!

I got some native american in me...and if I had to, I'd play that card.

When it comes down to it...I could prove that it helped feed my family and thus to take it away is taking away my RIGHT to feed my family!

Boehr, I must respectfully disagree...it IS a right....NOT a priveledge!

[trouttime]

It is interesting that as sportsmen/women most of us agree that we all need to band together and support ALL outdoor endeavors to preserve our hunting, fishing, and trapping privilege, right, or heritage but it isn’t happening on this thread!!! ;)