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David G Duncan
11-03-2006, 08:35 PM
HERE ARE THE BARE MINIMUMS TO GETTING STARTED TRAPPING FOX:

(Taken from a posting I made related to a question on how to get started trapping fox.)

I would recommend that you purchase a few 1.5 coilspring traps. Duke or Sleepy Creek are fairly inexpensive, well made traps.

These 1.5 coilspring traps are plenty big enough to catch and hold any Red or Grey Fox.

You can order the traps on-line from F&T Trading Post (an advertiser on this forum), along with these other basis items:

Double Stake Swivels
Rerod Stakes
Dirt Sifter
Fox Lure

There are a lot of other items that trappers end up using once they gain more experience. But the above are the absolute bare minimum that you will need to make a land set for to catch your fox.

Trap Preparation:

I use vinegar to wash the oil off new traps and them lay them outside for a few days to give them a little coating of rust.

Then you can deordorize the traps by boiling them in water with some bark from a soft maple. However, I really believe that any green bark from about any hardwood tree would also work. The seed pods from the shoemac brush will also work, if you can not get any green bark.

Once you have boiled the traps in this solution for 15 to 30 minutes they should be ready to remove and be hung up to dry outside.

Most trappers also treat their traps by dipping them into melted wax, but this is not necessary for a beginner.

Don't handle the clean traps with your bare hands and keep them in a clean container.

You should have attached your Double Stake Swivels to your trap chains before treating the traps. Also you can treat the rerod trap stakes in the same manner as you do your traps.

Making a Fox Dirthole Set:

Use a clean plastic bucket to carry your traps, stakes, small hachet, small garden trowel, clean canvas or rubber gloves and dirt sifter to the set location.

Also, you will need a roll of waxed paper. Cut a 3.5 inch long section off the end of the roll. This short roll of waxed paper will be used for you trap pan cover.

It will be a good idea to wear a pair of hip boots if you have them. Otherwise you can use a large garage bag to kneel on while you make the set.

Walk directly up to the spot where you are going to make the set. It is best if the location is out in the open, with at least 20 feet of clearing around the set location, so the fox can clearly see all around the set and be confident that no other animal is hiding to attack it.

Kneel down on the ground next to a small clump of grass or some other object to use as a backing, with your face toward the west or northwest prevailing wind direction (make sure the backing is not too large, so the fox can easily see over it).

Put on your clean gloves and use your small trowel to dig a hole at the edge of the backing at a 45 deg angle. Dig the hole as deep as your trowel will allow you to dig it.

Then, dig out an area directly in front of this hole, to a depth of about 3", making it just a little wider than the size of the 1.5 coilspring trap.

Set your trap and adjust the pan so it is level with the jaws.

Place the Double Stake Swivel on the end of the trap chain in the middle of the bottom of this depression and drive two rerods at a 45 deg. angle in a "X" to anchor the trap.

Place a little dirt over the stakes to make a level place for the trap and pack it down with your hands.

Position the trap, as close as possible, to edge of the dirthole you dug next to the backing. A fox will place its foot very near to the spot that he is smelling. When a dog will keep its feet back and lean forward to smell the hole. In this way is more likely that you will not accidently catch someones dog.

It is best to position the trap so the latching mechanism is at about the 2:00 o'clock position. This will minimize the chance of the fox stepping on the trap dog and getting its paw flipped out of the trap when it fires.

Lift the free jaw of the trap up, so it is straight up. Now carefully pack dirt all around the trap, being care that no dirt or stones gets under the pan.

Make sure the trap will not tip or rock by push on the springs. If it is tippy, then pack some dirt under the trap springs until the trap is rock solid. This is one of the most important aspect of making a fox set. If the trap is not rock solid and the fox steps on the jaw of the trap and it tips, then it will cause the fox to shy away from the set before it gets catch. Or can also cause a poor catch on the fox's paw can result in getting only a toe nail.

Now tear off about a 4" long piece of the waxed paper and wad it up in your hands. Then open it up. This will make the wax paper more pliable and less likely to make any noise.

Place this piece of waxed paper over the trap pan. Now lower the free jaw of the trap to hold the waxed paper in place.

With your dirt sifter carefully sift dirt over the trap, stopping a couple of times to carefully use your trowel to level the sifted dirt, that piles up on the pan. Continue sifting dirt until you have about 1/2 inch of dirt over the pan.

Make sure that you end up with a slight depression in the dirt directly over the center of the trap pan. Carefully blend the area around the trap to make it as level and as natural looking as possible.

Now, place a small amount of Fox Lure in the bottom of the dirthole. You can use a small piece of a weed stem or small twig dipped into the lure bottle to get enough lure or scent on it, then stick it in the bottom of the hole. It is a good idea to toss a very small amount of dirt into the hole to slightly cover the lure stick.

Stand up and place all your equipment in your bucket and while wearing your gloves back away brushing any of your foot marks out with your hands.

It should take you only a few minutes to complete this set, once you have gained some experience.

Don't place you Fox Lure in your bucket and keep it away from your equipment and traps at all times.

The above is a basis description of how to make a very effect fox set. Obviously there are a lot of other details and variations that experienced trappers bring into play, when they make a set.

But you can feel confident, that if you have a fox that visits the area near this set, that will catch him, assuming you carefully follow these steps and that the night time temperature remains aboue 25 deg. so the ground does not freeze solid and make prevent your trap from firing.

When checking your set, don't go any closer than necessary to make sure it is in working order. After 4 or 5 days, if you have not made a catch, it is a good idea to add some more lure, especially if it has rained. Or some trappers will use fox urine in a spray bottle to spray some fox urine into the dirthole, to freshen up the set.

Be patient, it might take over a week before you finally get your fox!

Good Luck with your Fox Trapping Adventure!


http://www.michigan-sportsman.com/photopost/data/500/medium/Bundle_of_Red_Fox.jpg

A nice bundle of 32 Red Fox that sold for $85 apiece back in 1979.



This information is from Trapperman.com and is an excellent description of how to make a basic "Dirt Hole Set".

Dirt Hole Set
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The basic dirt hole is nothing more than a hole made in the ground with a trap positioned in front of
the hole to catch the animal as it investigates the hole. A dirthole set is meant to replicate where an
animal such as a fox or coyote has cached some food to eat later, and these natural dirtholes can be
all shapes and sizes. To be effective, the dirt hole set should be made where the animal will likely
travel close by. A good location can usually be determined by the presence of sign such as tracks
and especially droppings. The best made dirt hole set will catch nothing if its in a location where the
animal will not be able to detect its presence. Once a good location is found, find a spot that is fairly
void of long grasses and high weeds. The hole for the set is usually made in front of some kind of an
object. This object could be a prominent tuft of taller grass, a stone about the size of a pint or quart
jar, a low stump, an overturned clump of sod, or some other natural object. This object that the
hole is to be dug in front of, such as a prominent tuft of grass that is taller than the surrounding
vegetation is referred to as backing. The backing keeps the animal from approaching the set from
the rear. Using a trowel, dig a hole at about a sixty degree angle back under this backing. The dirt
removed from the hole is placed in a sifter. The hole can be around three inches in diameter and at
least six inches deep.

http://www.trapperman.com/trapperman/dh1.jpg


In front of this dug hole dig a bowl-shaped trap bed about 2 1/2 - 3 inches deep and only slightly
larger around than the trap. The dirt from this excavation is placed into the sifter. Leave about an
inch of loose dirt in the bottom of the bowl-shaped trap bed. Make sure the bottom of the trap bed
is rounded so the trap springs, and any attaching hardware will have a place in the bed, and this will
make it easier to make the trap rock solid and not move when an animal steps on a jaw or lever.

http://www.trapperman.com/trapperman/dh2.jpg



The trap is staked either in the lowest center of the trap bed or at the inside edge of the
excavation. Its a good idea not to wire the trap to a stake, but rather use the opening on a universal
swivel, large washer, expanded link of welded machine trap chain or some other attaching hardware.
Too often when the traps are wired to a stake, the wire will break from the animal working the chain
back and forth. The trap is set and placed in the prepared trap bed. Place trap near hole, but not
hanging over hole. Put downward pressure on the trap to nestle it into the loose dirt. With a finger,
push down on the spring levers and jaws checking to see if the trap is solid. In most instances the
trap is not solid. You may have to use dirt from the sifter and pack it around and under the spring
levers and jaws to get the trap solid. Do not cover the trap until you are posititve the trap is solid in
its bed. Use the trowel to take dirt from the sifter and place this dirt around the outside edge of the
trap. Use the trowel to pack inside the trap jaws, and press this dirt down with your trowel. After
the dirt is packed outside and inside the trap, all that is now exposed of the trap is the edge of the
jaws, the pan and the dog. A piece of wax paper about the size of the inside of the trap can be used
to cover the pan so that dirt will not get under the pan, which would cause the trap not to fire.
When using wax paper to cover the trap pan, its a good idea to crumple it up and then flatten
it out. This will help keep the paper from making noise when a canine steps on it

http://www.trapperman.com/trapperman/dh3.jpg

Picture of partially bedded trap


Now using the sifter, sift dirt over the trap until the sifted dirt is up level with the surrounding ground
outside of the trap bed. Use the trowel to gently scrape the loose dirt from the trap pan. This will
cause the lowest part of the dirt pattern to be just over the trap pan. Once again, pack the sifted dirt
around the outside and inside the trap jaws. Packing the dirt gives the pattern a smooth look. To
make it look more natural, sift a little more dirt (a half to one inch of dirt) over the trap to cover this
smoothness. This last sifting will cover the trap pan, and the smoothness has disappeared. The
lowest part of the dirt pattern will now be over the trap pan. (Fox and coyote prefer to step on the
lower places.)



Picture of completed set

http://www.trapperman.com/trapperman/dh6.jpg

Now apply the lure to the hole. It's best to apply the lure to a lure holder as placing it on the ground
will cause it to lose its odor much faster. Pieces of corn cob, small chunk of weathered wood,
sheeps wool, or anything to keep the lure off the ground in the hole will work. I would recommend
a curiosity type lure, gland lure, food lure and/or a bait. If using the gland or curiosity lure, a squirt
of urine on the backing will enhance the effectiveness of the set. This is the basic dirt hole. There is a
lot more that can be said about the dirt hole and there is a lot that is to be learned about the dirt hole
beyond this basic set.

Animals used for:

Fox - Both red and grey fox are taken regularly in this set. Use a lure such as a gland or curiosity
lure in the hole. Bait can also be used.

Coyotes - This set works on coyotes too. Lure the same as for fox. Because the coyote is a much
larger and stronger animal than the fox, use a double staking method for securing the trap.

Bobcats - This set will take bobcats too, but its a good idea to hang a bird wing where legal or even
lengths of cassette tape from a nearby tree limb. The motion of the wing or tape in the air will get the
attention of the cat. Bobcats have a very keen eyesight, but not so good at smelling compared to
canines. By getting the bobcats attention with the visual attractor, you can get the bobcat to get
within smelling range of your set.




FREEPOP
11-03-2006, 08:50 PM
:bowdown:

Not to be picky, but I also heard a rip for the dog, in the wax paper is a good idea too.

Thank you very much. I owe you some pics of my first ones. Payment after next week, I hope.

David G Duncan
11-03-2006, 08:58 PM
FREEPOP,

Looking forward to seeing your photos!!!!

Good Luck on your Trapline!

In fact there is no real need to do any tearing of the wax paper to accomodate for the dog flipping up. A good strong # 1.5 coilspring will have no problem riping the wax paper when it fires, trust me!

This is just a "Straw Man", so everyone feel free to add their personal advice or suggestions to this thread.

Happy Trapping!

mhodnettjr
11-03-2006, 09:12 PM
fantastic post Dave!

your description of a dirthole set reminds me that its not rocket science. Sometimes the more i learn the more i do stupid things thinking i am giving myself an edge. Any trapper, new or old, can benefit from this post!

Mike

bf281
11-03-2006, 09:15 PM
Great post Dave. Thanks for taking the time to help out us rookies.

FREEPOP
11-03-2006, 09:16 PM
Cool beans Dave, I just remember that I read that on Trapperman. I thought the trap probably wouldn't have a problem.

I won't let you down on the pics

Now you just need to include instructions for when you catch yourself in the trap :yikes: :dizzy: :lol:

mhodnettjr
11-03-2006, 09:28 PM
Cool beans Dave, I just remember that I read that on Trapperman. I thought the trap probably wouldn't have a problem.

I won't let you down on the pics

Now you just need to include instructions for when you catch yourself in the trap :yikes: :dizzy: :lol:

I know that you were kidding around freepop. But everyone may not know how. Soooooo.


There are two things that you can do.

-if you are standing and got caught in the trap. place the trap on the ground between your legs, stand on your tip toes, and push down on the spring levers with your heels.

-if you are kneeling down all you have to do is use your free hand (if you have one), and a knee to push down on the spring levers.

mike

FREEPOP
11-03-2006, 09:35 PM
Yeah I was kidding.

You know, as fellow sportsman we should post a tutorial on how to release a non-target animal with pics to show the springs and levers, in the upland hunting section for the dog guys. I have some duke coil and a couple victor long springs and will get some pictures.

chris_kreiner
11-03-2006, 10:14 PM
Thanks Dave,

Very helpful post!!

WOODS
11-04-2006, 12:28 AM
Nice post dave. Thanks

Northcountry
11-04-2006, 02:04 AM
This is an outstanding post Dave, thanks!

With respect, I would like to offer a few more really basic items....

1)
When youre buying your basic trapping equipment, dont forget to consider how you will tag your traps, per the DNR regs. You can buy fancy, custom-printed commercial tags or make your own.

2)
Anchor your traps to securely hold the biggest critter you may possibly encounter....then make it 2x or 3x stronger than that. Fox sets are just as likely to catch coyotes, which are known for relentlessly working the trap anchoring system. If you are at all in doubt that your anchors would hold a very large, strong dog...either find a new location or a better anchoring scheme.

3)
Have a contigency plan for incidental catches, ahead of time. I personally suggest that everyone have a catch pole, like the animal control people use. When used correctly, this will make releasing an unwanted catch very safe and simple for both the trapper and the animal.

gunrod
11-04-2006, 07:53 AM
Excellent post. I just read up on dirt hole sets in Trapline 2000 (great read by the way) and it follows exactly as posted.

You guys are going to be in trouble if I get a small line going this winter. I'll have tons of questions.:help: :dizzy:

magnumhntr
11-04-2006, 10:03 AM
Curious as to the placement of the trap. I've read that the loose jaw goes towards the dirthole, but if I'm picturing your wording correctly about the dog being at the 2 o'clock position, that would place the loose jaw away from the hole? Please elaborate.

Thanks

Chris

magnumhntr
11-04-2006, 07:09 PM
It makes sense to me, and I will try it tomorrow. I had one of my traps sprung tonight, with nothing in it. I'm thinking the snow/rain we got set it off last night. Or maybe the ground freezing. Anyway, I pulled it because I didn't have time to remake the set. So tomorrow, I will remake it, and will follow your directions and see how I do

One question though. I am setting more for coyotes than fox. There is an abundance of them around me. So should I still place the trap up tight to the dirthole, or back a couple inches? I've read so many opinions and posts as to the correct trap placement, that I can't remember which end is up right now. The set I had out I put my dirthole at a 45 degree angle, with the trap pan about 6 inches back and 2 inches or so to the right. 2 days later, there were tracks all over the set, just nothing hit the pan. So would I be better sticking with this setup, or place the trap up tight? I really wish some of you guys lived closer so I could get some one on one help

David G Duncan
11-04-2006, 09:57 PM
Chris,

Every trapper has his or her own personal ideas regarding proper trap placement at the dirthole set. In the final analysis you have to determine what works best for you.

Placing the dog toward the dirthole, definitely would maximize the possibility of the fox being able to step on it. So, if this makes the most sense for you, then definitely use this type of placement. In reality the placement of the dog is not all that critical, as compared to having the trap solidly bedded.

I personally like the 2:00 O'clock position, because I am from the old school of trappers that were taught that you want the animal to approach the set going over the spring and not over the free jaw. The thought was that you want the jaws closing on their foot coming up from either side, rather than from front and back. Now, if the animal was crawling, with it forearms on the ground, then my way might prevent the jaws from somehow flipping their foot out and not making a catch. But this would be a very rare situation, I think you must agree.

In my case, by slightly rotating the trap so the dog is in the 2:00 o'clock position it allows me to get the trap as close to the dirthole as possible and also is a compromise, to the between the jaws, rather than over the jaws mentality.

The final analysis is that you have to make up your own decision as to how to position the trap. You really can't go too wrong, if you have a proper set location and a good attractor that keeps the fox working the set, then the odds are in your favor that trap will do its job.

Hope this answers your question.

David G Duncan
11-07-2006, 08:28 AM
Just to add some interest to the original posting, I have included a photo 32 Red Fox that were caught during the 1979 season in the Traverse City area and sold for $85 apiece. Definitely paid for my gas expenses for that season.

Come to think of it, I actually paid all my gas expenses for that entire season by stretching and selling over 30 skunks at $6 apiece :D .

mhodnettjr
11-07-2006, 08:36 AM
great photo. I like seeing all kinds of pictures on here, but my favorites are the ones that some guys post of trapping from before i was born:yikes: . great picture Dave!

mike

gunrod
11-08-2006, 10:15 PM
Just a suggestion Dave but you might want to make this and all your 101 posts a sticky so new comers - and me - don't have to go looking for them.

BTW, all have been great so far. The books I've recently read tell it just the same way you do. Which of course would have saved me some money for more traps if you had posted them sooner.:p

Thanks again for the great posts. My products should arrive tomorrow and I'm on vacation in a week for nearly 3 weeks. I can't wait to get some sets up and running.

griffondog
11-09-2006, 06:52 AM
Dave

Put on a few pounds since 79 ha! How come Multibeard got coyote ugly since then and you and I got fat.:yikes:



Griffondog

David G Duncan
11-09-2006, 08:44 AM
gunrod,

Thanks for the interest in this posting. OK, I will make them stickies for a while, since you requested it.


Griffindog,

I bet if we were running those long fox traplines, like we did back then, we both would be a lot thinner. Or maybe just dead from heart attacks :lol: .

I know that back then I did do a lot of running between the truck and sets, just to get the line covered in one day. The term of "running a trapline" really took on a new meaning for me back then. :D

Us older trappers need to stick together, so we can defend our stories about the good old days. On that note, I want to state that I think Multibeard has aged quit nicely and reminds me more of a badger than a coyote ;) .

Northcountry
11-09-2006, 10:49 AM
I want to state that I think Multibeard has aged quit nicely and reminds me more of a badger than a coyote ;) .

Dang, you two are being awful rough on Multi'.

Personally, I think he looks great! I can only hope to look that good when I'm 90...or whatever he is.

:evil:

mwp
11-09-2006, 11:25 AM
Well I couldn't think of a better way of making my 1,000 post then giving my appreciation to Dave Duncan.I will most likely venture into trapping next year and have always appreciated every little helpful hint he has put on this site.It just confirms it by reading the fox set thread.Not only Dave but Northcountry and others on this site that have peaked my interest in trapping again.My Dad used to trap many moons ago and the pics and posts put on this site by many different people have brought back some great memories.Keep the pics,the advice and all the helpful methods up because there are people out there like myself that appreciate the time it takes to do this.Not this year,but next year I hope to be the one posting some pics if all goes well!!

multibeard
11-11-2006, 05:26 PM
:lol: [QUOTE=griffondog]Dave

Put on a few pounds since 79 ha! How come Multibeard got coyote ugly since then and you and I got fat.:yikes:

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. I have never seen an ugly coyote but then when you look like your dog that is another thing. :lol: :lol:

Get ahold of me when you are up deer hunting. Check your PMs for my phone number.

After that remark you are buying dinner.

multibeard
11-11-2006, 05:37 PM
How come I became the one that gets the ribbing in this thread. I never even checked it out until northcountry pmed me about the treatment I was getting. And he even joined in. With friends like you guys who needs enemys!!!!!!!!!

OH Well just remember what comes around goes around or something like that. Tooooo dang old to remember how that saying goes for sure.

The last year I ran a fox/yote line back in the early 80's I stepped on the scales one morning. They read 151 Lbs. It had to have been when I was in jr high school that I weighed that the last time. Not telling what the scales read this am.

griffondog
11-11-2006, 07:04 PM
Multi

I apologize to you as Don Hoyt must of been channeling me as I was typing. What I ment to say was your beauty over the years remind me of the girls who work at the Coyote Ugly bar.


Dinner is on me I'll give you a call when I get to Scottville. Hunting Gladwin on Wed and Thurs so expect a call on the weekend. I to was suprised how fast Dave and Northcountry turned on you. See you old badger.:gaga:


Griffondog

leapoutdoors
12-27-2006, 02:12 PM
Does scent elimination spray work for traps?

David G Duncan
12-27-2006, 05:02 PM
leapoutdoors,

The scent elimination spray is designed to eliminate human odor, so I am not sure if it would work that well on traps.

Regardless, I would not feel comfortable substituting the use of scent elimination spray in place of boiling the traps in a dye solution of some nature wood bark or other trappers dye.

Basically, properly treating your fox traps and keeping them clean would be the best way to address the need to have scent free traps.

David G Duncan
01-03-2007, 06:57 PM
ttt

TrekJeff
11-01-2007, 08:58 PM
While bow hunting I saw a red fox running the sand trails and weaving through the high grass. It was heading west, into the wind. When I saw him I thought, COOL. Then I made a high pitched kissing sound. The little bugger stopped in his tracks and did a 180, came within 30 yards of me then stopped in his tracks, did another 180 and took off. I've seen them in the summer and on job sights, but never while hunting. I thought it was pretty cool. Now I'll have to decide if I wanna trap. or attempt to trap him.:D