Do you think hunting shows are canned hunts? [Archive]

Weekender#1

10-23-2006, 04:27 PM

I have had some conversation with another member here on Hunting TV shows, he thinks I am warped when I say I think they are canned hunts. How can a show prove that it is not a canned show.
I say show me the tagged animal or your used license but that is not proof. How can they prove it to the consumer, the person watching the show.

KalamazooKid

10-23-2006, 04:35 PM

Some are, some aren't. Take Bill Jordan and the Realtree crew (including Road Trips), they hunt wild deer but on some of the best managed properties in the country - but no fences. Along with Jay Gregory (Wild Outdoors), the Lakoskey's, North American Whitetail, Jim Shockey, etc etc. They all hunt WILD animals, but again, on some of the BEST properties this country has to offer.

There are lots of shows that ARE filmed in pens though .... Jimmy Houston comes to mind. It's pretty obvious to me which ones are and which ones aren't (most of the time). Take any show filmed in Michigan as an example - if they take a big buck .... IT WAS IN A PEN!!!!!!!

StumpJumper

10-23-2006, 04:36 PM

5, 4, 3, 2, 1, closed

deputy865

10-23-2006, 04:37 PM

I'd have to say most of them are. They even say they are. They always seem to see and get an 8 pt. or bigger. I've only seein like one or two that havnt been on a farm. It almost takes the fun out of it, your guarenteed a deer. All you have to do is go out there and sit and wait. When if you were not on a ranch you would have to scout it out ect. The guys on the TV shows dont have time for that.

Shane

Due51

10-23-2006, 04:38 PM

I am tired of watching hunting shows where the guys take their pick from a number of huge bucks.

When I watch a show and they post the phone number to "So-and-So" Outfitters/Ranch at the end of the show,:rant: I get bummed out.

Sib

10-23-2006, 04:39 PM

I think it's gonna break down by individual shows, I doubt they're all doing the canned hunt. I think there should be a disclaimer for all shows that are canned, tho, and I think the advertisers of these shows should be the ones demanding a disclaimer. If I was producing a show I would be announcing that this show is 100% fair chase and I'd remind them again at the end of the show.

All that said, I don't have cable, or a dish, I have just broadcast, so I never get a chance to burn myself out on these shows. When I'm on vacation and have a chance to actually watch cable, it seems all OLN programming is rodeo. :rolleyes:

NorthJeff

10-23-2006, 04:41 PM

I didn't vote because while most are not...some still are. I believe when the industry was really taking off in the late 80's/early 90's that many of the shows were canned, probably the majority. Now, I'd say more like 90% are NOT canned. Also, the biggest ones, Monster Bucks, The Truth, Primetime, Drury Brothers (actually my first choice), even Kisky Outdoors and Jay Gregory's I believe to be NOT canned hunts. The 1 bit of evidence I have? Those hunts often look like the same hunts I have in SW WI, with the same caliber of bucks. I would guess they would look canned to most in MI, because if you only hunt MI the view can be a tad bit skewed...to put it mildly. But, to most midwestern states those videos hold a lot of reality and similar experiences.

It would be too easy to film most of those same hunts in many midwestern settings...why go to a canned hunt operation in a fence and pay thousands more?!?

William H Bonney

10-23-2006, 04:49 PM

How big is the "can" their hunting in? 40,000 acres,,, 20,000,, you see what I'm getting at? All these shows are at "ranches" of some sort. I bet a lot of these place just put up fences to keep the IDIOTS out,, not to keep the deer in. Ask yourself this,,, if you had 10,000 acres and a ton of nice bucks that you've purposely managed for years,,, would you put a fence around it and call it a "your ranch"? It ain't as easy as they make it look on TV,,, even on 500 acres,, you gotta do the work, scout, make the shot. These "ranches" can tell you where to go and when,, but it still doesn't gaurantee a big buck. Now,, on the otherhand,, if some show starts out and says,, "we'll be set up on Triple M Ranch which consists of 20 acres,,," well then,,,,,,,, :rolleyes:

Banditto

10-23-2006, 04:51 PM

Undoubtedly they are definetly canned hunts done on private reserves. Very very few are authentic wild deer. sorry to say

Weekender#1

10-23-2006, 05:02 PM

deputy

10-23-2006, 05:08 PM

Ok to put this inpersepctive a little take our show

We show a lot of hunts from our lands here in michigan, deer and turkey hunts we either own th eland have permission or lease.... we scout we do food plots we put a lot of time into those lands like many here we jsut happen to hunt and film those places, now our out of state hunt are in no way canned.... we hunt operations tha thave leased land as well or is owned by them. but no fences and there is no guarnetee we will get a kill i have traveled many thousands of miles to get get skunked for 10 days staright. its called hunting....... do we hunt with outfitters you bet they own the the land or lease it we have strict requierents! no fences.period...... we have shown kills off state land in michigan as well.......... there are a lot of shows that are high fenced.......... and thats there choice to hunt those places... as for some comments i have heard as well most places have giude lines on the size of the deer you can shoot to keep there heard and bucks quality on the land they lease and own ......... not brown its down... as for canned hunts call the outfitter and ask them if they are a fenced operation its that simple!

if you think it canned then call and ask the outfitter what you see on tv my take 2 weeks to get filmed and put into 20 minute show..... it isnt as many think..

deputy

10-23-2006, 05:09 PM

again call the outfitter names at the end of the show and ask them.. real simple!

NEMichsportsman

10-23-2006, 05:15 PM

Cant even reply to your poll...I know some are canned hunts, I know others who arent..you dont allow for it?!?!

Either way who cares. Beats watching Tour de France or the Bachelor in Rome, Big Brother, or much of the other stupidity?!?!

Trout King

10-23-2006, 05:17 PM

Depends what shows. Thats why I like Primos, and Drury's they hunt wild, fair chase, as well as show the good and the bad.

Shimmelfinny

10-23-2006, 05:19 PM

I like Best and Worst of Tred Barta. He doesn't always have a sucess full hunt. Uses a long bow to stalk.

I know he is a wealthy person and can afford to go on all the hunts, but he at least seems to do it the right way.

deputy865

10-23-2006, 05:23 PM

tjfishinboy

10-23-2006, 05:26 PM

i know that most are canned hunts but i know for a fact that some are not because i personally know people who have taken cabelas crew out on grizzly, black bear, and black tail deer hunts in alaska.

deputy

10-23-2006, 05:27 PM

I agree with you 100%. His show is awesome. True talent with that guy.

Shane

yah that show a few weeks ago with him launching a quiver full of arrows at a running heard of caribou full of cows bulls and young ones! that was true talent there! go do a search on that hunt it was posted here!

other than that he has an entertaining show

redwingsdude

10-23-2006, 05:29 PM

Weekender, your poll is a loaded question. With only two answers, it's like saying it's black and white.

"No they are not canned hunts but all wild." :rolleyes:
How are people supposed to answer this? Most are in the wild (most all of the better shows are fair chase) and some aren't.

For those of you who think that it's impossible to take so many good animals because you yourself haven't seen that many, you need to open your mind a little.

If these shows can send one hunter to any of the prime deer areas, that is a show per hunt, per person. If you have 2 hunters, and 5 locations, there is 10 shows right there, and they usually AREN'T IN MICHIGAN. If you went to Sasketchewan, Iowa, Illinois, Kansas etc., you too would have chances to kill big deer on most every trip.

Also, an outfitter is not the same as a ranch, guys.

FreebirdII

10-23-2006, 05:57 PM

In my opinion, most of them are canned.

deerslayer#1

10-23-2006, 06:22 PM

When a hunter passes on a 130-140 class buck, something seriously wrong. Makes me believe something is going on!

deputy

10-23-2006, 06:27 PM

Lot of guys will pass on them most leased or hunted camps and outfitters have rule of 8 points or better and 145 inches or better... Not JUST CANNED

deerslayer#1

10-23-2006, 06:36 PM

Lot of guys will pass on them most leased or hunted camps and outfitters have rule of 8 points or better and 145 inches or better... Not JUST CANNED

Outfitters with a min 145 or better!! Heck, I know somethings wrong with that!! Ive seen 130 as the min but 145? That would be a 10,000 DOLLAR HUNT !!
Ide definatley look for the fences, Canada hunts don't require that many inches. Or Kansas or Iowa. Huh?

redwingsdude

10-23-2006, 06:46 PM

What shows have you been watching where they pass on 140" bucks?

Most people have never seen a 140 buck, are you sure of this? And a $10,000 hunt? You think if they are on a ranch they have enough money to take those great bucks? Most of the ranch hunts I've seen on tv are for management bucks, as thats all they can afford for one tv show.

Many outfitters in Alberta/Sasketchewan do expect their clients to shoot 140+ bucks.

WALLEYEvision

10-23-2006, 07:19 PM

Ok to put this inpersepctive a little take our show

We show a lot of hunts from our lands here in michigan...
What's the name of your show and what time/channel does it air?

Weekender#1

10-23-2006, 07:27 PM

beer and nuts

10-23-2006, 08:03 PM

If canned means high fence then no, most are not. BUT, most do camera angles and retakes that would turn most guys off. Its entertainment and most have to do retakes of the shot mutliple times from different angles. After the kill the tracking is done mutliple times and after many hours the deer are cleaned up, repositioned, black contacts in eyes(yes, deer contacts to make them look fresh, and not grayed over), its for family TV and the making of a good product. I have been told of bucks and turkeys that you think the host/hunter shot was actually shot by somebody else and filmed as if they shot it. Some real crazy stuff goes on in the making of some of these hutning shows, lots of film to make a 30 minute show. Of course some are true as can be, while others are pathetic, wide range of true and false, same with fishing shows. Its entertainment....and I'm amazed how some on here think whats true really is camera angles...even Drury and the above mentioned popular shows, one must take with a grain of salt sometimes.....even though they are the best with reality!

redwingsdude

10-23-2006, 08:28 PM

I haven't seen the Maranda show in years, mainly because it is on ESPN. Really the only hunting shows that I will watch are on The Outdoor Channel and MOOD. ESPN and OLN (Versus) do not focus on hunting and fishing. They have their priorites, and it's definately not hunting. They couldn't care less if they are showing quality hunting programs.

For those of you who watch the Outdoor Channel, could you guys please give examples of the shows you are watching that you are "sure" are canned? I'd like to see what you all say. Maybe we can make a list of what is fair chase, and what is not for future reference.

mich buckmaster

10-23-2006, 08:40 PM

I had some words with a member this past week concerning this subject which we got over with a few e-mails. He films wild hunts I am sure but some do not.
How can the shows prove to you and I that they are not in a ranch setting but true wilderness.
I thought of a couple ideas but not fool proof like a shot of his used out of state license or the used tag on a ear. How can we be sure, I ask for certification but what does that prove and who certified what. Lets not get ugly but help the industry with the sure fire method, just tell them what you need to see. I am sure they all want you to know they are real and not staged and would love to prove it to you and I.
I know just take me.

You know I know just about every person on TV and there are a LOT of shows that arent canned hunts. Just because they say they hunt at a RANCH doesnt mean there are fences. I have hunted at Ranches and one was over 100,000 acres with NO FENCES!!!!!!! I get tired of everyone bashing HUNTING on TV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DONT FRICKIN WATCH IT AND GET BACK TO OPRAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As for Deputy,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Those guys hunt fair chase also!!!!!!!!!!!

NEMichsportsman

10-23-2006, 08:41 PM

But none of you have had one idea how to fix the thoughts that seem to be prevelent.

I guess I dont follow..... what needs to be fixed? Watch or don't. Everyone has a choice, if there wasnt a demand for hunting programs then networks wouldn't buy them.

I dont think you want an honest vote as a couple of us have already said the poll questions dont offer a choice!?

MOOD is ok, It is one of a shrinking number of programs that have any content dealing with Michigan....it has very little in common with any of the more widely viewed commercially produced programs.

Trout King

10-23-2006, 08:43 PM

Why don't we start a M-S.com hunting show? That would be sweet! :idea:

deputy

10-23-2006, 10:08 PM

I did not mean to cause a stir but when a guy is allowed 1 buck per year per state. How do they try to film 20-26 shows per year, yes a few bird/duck and apple pie shows but 20 deer per year, every one a monster. The show that turned me on the shows was Tom Miranda, even if you can shoot a monster every week as he seems to, just how ethical is that unless it is a farm animal, raised to be shot for hire.
My favorite show is Michigan Out of Doors I still try to tape it to watch and rewatch at the cabin up north. You can tell me it is staged and I will call you wrong.
But none of you have had one idea how to fix the thoughts that seem to be prevelent.

i HAVE NO CLUE AS TO WHY I ADDRESS THIS TOPIC STILL AGAIN TRY THIS

when a lot of shows show nothing but deer hunts you are looking at a select few shows

like many we show caribou bear deer pheasnts, fishing hogs etc..... turkey and with a 6 man camera hunting prostaff that is more critters not just deer! go start your own show! then you will have the perfect show!

mich buckmaster

10-23-2006, 10:41 PM

i HAVE NO CLUSE AS TO WHY I ADDRESS THIS TOPIC STILL AGAIN TRY THIS

when a lot fo shows show nothgin but dee rhunts you are loking at a seclect few shows

lik emany we show caribou bear deer pheasnts, fishing hogs etc..... turkey and with a 6 man camera hunting prostaff that is more critters not just deer! go start your own show! then you will have the perfect show!

AMEN BROTHER!!!

deputy

10-23-2006, 10:46 PM

Yeap he can do it for about 40K a year not including cameras travel tags lodging etc......

mich buckmaster

10-24-2006, 08:52 AM

Yeah we are hunting with 3 cameras this weekend with each averaging over $4000, not including everything involved. I cant believe how some people just cant see over this wonderful STATE OF MICHIGAN. I can show you ten bucks killed this year that are all over 180 inches that were killed on camera FOR TV, and NOT one was behind a fence..................................

But some just dont understand hunting in other states!!!!!

deputy

10-24-2006, 10:01 AM

I can show you ten bucks killed this year that are all over 180 inches that were killed on camera FOR TV, and NOT one was behind a fence..................................

Pm me your contact info

mich buckmaster

10-25-2006, 10:07 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/medicsnoke/normal_A_Hays_06.jpg

Adam hayes, has tied Stan Potts for the MOST OVER 200" on FAIR CHASE grounds. He has killed 3 over 200" and this one is on FILM!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ALL FAIR CHASE!! Killed in Ohio.

Deputy, PM SENT

mich buckmaster

10-25-2006, 10:27 AM

http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/upfiles/14201/E060C872769E46E7B9F23CCD8ACC03EE.JPG

Kansas FAIR CHASE on film!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gross 190!!

deputy

10-25-2006, 10:52 AM

LOL were was the feeding trough hid!...............

I just had too...
the farm iam hunting in ohio had the willis buck on it what a monster that was too.......

kumma

10-25-2006, 11:09 AM

I happened to watched a show on VS. It showed some guy in Texas at a ranch with waterstations, feed plots, supplimental food stations, just about everything needed to raise big bucks. He proceeded to shot some 180 class buck from a big stand. He had his choice of a dozen or so bucks and he took that one. Seemed more like going to the grocery store instead of hunting. It was impressive to see the deer but I dont really call this guy a great hunter, anyone could have bought their there way into that stand and shot that deer. Normally I stay clear of these shows.

Saw a show about a guided elk hunt on private land where a guy was stalking elk and bear in alberta? They showed the guys getting permission and info from local farmers and putting in effort on the ground finding animals. He shot an elk at 10 yards from a ground blind, but sadly never recovered it. Shame he couldnt find it, they tracked it for the whole next day. That show was more interesting than some dude in a stand taking pot shots at some feed to be shot deer.