Binary Cam Technology

[Riva]

I'm doing a little research on the possible purchase of a new bow. I am particularly intrigued by Bowtech's "Binary Cam Technology" bows.
This technology results (they say) in a VERY fast bow (350 fps?), quite smooth and vibration free. However, the most important feature to me is their claim of being virtually silent.

I'd gladly forfeit speed for a reduction in noise and vibration. To put in perspective, I started out 28 years ago with a Darton SL 50 which when shot, made enough noise to stampede cattle!

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[GVDocHoliday]

Darton...or Rex Darlington specifically, owns the pattent for the Binary Cam.

Be on the lookout, Darton will be releasing their first Binary Cam bow on October 1st...only the Darton will be better. How you ask?

Tappered limb thickness to eliminate cam lean which has plagued the bowtechs since they started with the binary cam. The cam lean is responsible for the many reports of broken Bowtech limbs that you hear about. On each draw you are twisting the cam, over and over, creating a weak spot. This eventually causes the limb to split. Since darton does everything in house, they've developed the tapered limb to eliminate this. Not only that, but Darton is really putting some money into their development. Rex is no longer happy with just collecting those phat royalty checks from all the companies that utilize hybrid cams and bowtech....he's hired some new people to really get the ball rolling with Darton to be at the top.

The first bow that they are to introduce will be in their assualt series...with a 320+IBO!!!...the assualt series line of bows is the more budget minded series of bows from Darton...so you're going to get 33" ATA with a 7.5+ inch brace height and 320fps for under 500.00!!!!

They're pro series bow will be released in January. 37" ATA with 8" brace and 330+IBO!!!

[kingfishcam]

WOW. I guess I will wait to see the made in Michigan stuff before I buy.

[Riva]

Thanks for the reply.

Does this mean that Bowtech pays a royalty to Darton for use of their binary cam technology?

Again, the feature that I'm mostly intrigued with is the relative "quiet" of the binary cam--any comments in that regard?

[Grouse Hunter]

Thanks for the reply.

Does this mean that Bowtech pays a royalty to Darton for use of their binary cam technology?

Again, the feature that I'm mostly intrigued with is the relative "quiet" of the binary cam--any comments in that regard?


Yeah thats what has been reported on AT by some reliable sources. The quiet bow has little to do with the cam design and more to do with materials, design (VFT) and the hush kit. There are a lot of bows that are very quiet, the switchback is deadly silent. the trykon I owned was excellent too. Pretty much any bow from any of the major manufacturers is going to be pretty quiet.

Im not convinced cam lean is the beast people claim it to be. Accuracy, I dont see it affecting accuracy. I mean the advanced hunter class was one with an allegiance at the worlds this year. Besides any bow with a cable guard has cam lean. Even my switchback has to be twisted up on one yolk to compensate for it.

[Fix_F16]

Hoyt was the first big company to heavily market the hybrid cam system.

It's my understanding that Darton sued Hoyt (and won) when they came out with the Cam and a Half.

Most of the other companies (except Mathews) came out with their own hybrid versions, so it would only make sense that Darton gets their cut. Darton was an industry leader way back when ... whether they'll ever get back to that point again who knows? Personally I like to see a "home grown" business do well. I hunt near the Hale area and would consider buying a Darton if their grips weren't so darn thick.

[GVDocHoliday]

Believe it or not, Darton is the primary outsourcer for most archery companies and is second in production only to PSE. Darton is huge...they just do not market. This new fella they brought in to spearhead getting the word out about Darton is really gungho and I'm anxious to see what he does with the marketing.

Yes, Bowtech pays mucho royalties to Darton. This issue never went to court, Bowtech was already familiar with the patent and approached Darton. Bowtech is the only company licensed by Darton to use the Binary cam system. So look for major changes to the Elite archery lineup, as well as a total revamp to the 2007 Kodiak lineup who had intended to utilize the binary cam system with their new modular riser system ala Martin Bengal.

I never said cam lean was a beast to accuracy, just limb reliability.

[Riva]

There is talk on the street that Bowtech is soon to launch a new company that will manufacture a crossbow that uses binary cam technology, similar to what Darton does with their GLC brand. That being the case, they'd probably will pay royalties for that too?? Then again, one would wonder why Darton wouldn't launch the same under their GLC label. Not saying I'd ever buy one, but this thing looks spooky! http://www.strykerxbow.com/

[Grouse Hunter]

I never said cam lean was a beast to accuracy, just limb reliability.

I think this is way way way over hyped. Besides, limb issues were reported well before the implentation of the binary cam.

[Swamp Monster]

...they just do not market. This new fella they brought in to spearhead getting the word out about Darton is really gungho and I'm anxious to see what he does with the marketing.

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I'll give you an example of what this new fella did when it comes to marketing. He renamed the same old Darton rubber grip the "Vibra Grip". Watch out world.............:eek: Oh, and they even have a time line of achievements ala Mathews & Hoyt etc but it's pretty vague. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad Rex is trying to move forward and look forward to seeing what they offer. But after a few years of getting smoked by their own designs, they have a long hill to climb.

[Grouse Hunter]

I dont think they are too far away, but they need to refine thier bows. Make the fit and finsih better, make them a little sleeker, redesign the riser and tame some of the noise, maybe with a new limb pocket design. THey could break through, but the competition is stiff and it will take something really great!

[jcomptonod]

I have a Bowtech Tribute that I absolutely love. It shoots great. No hand vibration or shock. Curiously I shot it side by side with a Matthews Switchback XT. The Switchback was quieter. I shot the Tribute better and it felt better, so I bought it. My friend that was with me at the time shot both and liked the Switchback better. Moral of the story. Try it for yourself. You can't go wrong either way.

all the best,
john

[GVDocHoliday]

I think this is way way way over hyped. Besides, limb issues were reported well before the implentation of the binary cam.

Good point. But it won't hurt.

I dont think they are too far away, but they need to refine thier bows. Make the fit and finsih better, make them a little sleeker, redesign the riser and tame some of the noise, maybe with a new limb pocket design. THey could break through, but the competition is stiff and it will take something really great!
:coolgleam :coolgleam :coolgleam -->That's all I'll say.

[bowhunting48060]

I just picked up a Tribute and its a great bow - quiet and no hand shock at all. While I was waiting for the guy to finish ringing me up I shot a Darton Marauder and geez it was quiet and almost 0 hand shock :16suspect Not the Darton of yesteryear peeps. Nice to see they are trying to mount a comeback.

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