Using another perons tag

[skulldugary]

This is something I've been thinking on for quite some time.You hear of this every year,where someone is filling grand ma,uncle Joe,the wife's or who evers deer tag because they have filled thiers or shot a spike and know they can't fill thier restricted tag with a buck of size,so they use who evers tag on the next deer.There will always be cheaters but do you think that the penalties for such violations are too lax is why a lot of people even try it in the first place or any poaching as far as that goes.Maybe if the penalty was life long loss of hunting privilages a lot of it would be stopped...What do you think the penalty should be??

[QuakrTrakr]

Penaltys on poaching have always been to soft. I think they should be as strong as most felonies. After all, poachers are stealing from the STATE. I think it boils down to the $$$$ amount the State puts on the deer. At the very least, a 10 year hunting ban would deter alot of poachers.

[Jx38]

i know people who have done it for years- if they were not family or friend, i would turn them in. it drives me nuts.

i don't think that a life time loss of hunting is the answer. that's a little harsh, i think a manditory check station would help. kinda hard to get get granny down to the check staion to involve herself her grandsons lie and risk fines and penalties herself.

[firemantom]

people probley just think they won't get stopped, and have there deer checked. Maybe if the state could keep the current CO's and hire more, that would help, but we all know the state say's they dont have enuff $$$ to hire more CO's. But more checks and more CO's would probley be a good deturent. just my thought.

[Grouse Hunter]

Something like that is just really hard to prove. Unless you witness it. I mean "party" hunting has been happening for a long time here. In fishing and waterfowl hunting its pretty much SOP. Im sure it will increase this year now that you can only buy three doe tags.

[Jx38]

Something like that is just really hard to prove. Unless you witness it. I mean "party" hunting has been happening for a long time here. In fishing and waterfowl hunting its pretty much SOP. Im sure it will increase this year now that you can only buy three doe tags.

you're right, but if one knew that he or she had to "legally" present a deer that was shot by someone else, it could deter them from giving out there tag.

[TrailFndr]

i know people who have done it for years- if they were not family or friend, i would turn them in.


So, are you saiying that its ok as long as they are a family member or a friend????

Poaching is POACHING...no matter who does it!

[doughman]

This is probably the hardest of all violations to catch. My thoughts very on this because I am just as guilty sometimes. But...............On State or Federal property I am 100% legal as far as I know the law.

Now as far as private land is concerned the rules are bent a little. Deer Drives are an important late year right of pasage that involves all ofour family members doing drives on several lots of farm land we own. We only fill doe tags or left over buck licenses. Sometimes I am the shooter or pusher. SOmeone like my dad who is 59 years old can barely hunt anymore because of health and when he can he can't get to any good spots, sits on the edge of property almost by the trucks, I don't feel bad about knocking a deer down for him so he has venison in his freezer(I have done this 3X)

Yes its against the law but morally I am good with it and feel ok living in my skin. If all laws are created equal I am guilty. Not many hunters in here can say they do not in some way tweak the law.......Bait piles larger than 2 gallons, early season bait or salt/mineral licks, shoot before proper shooting time or shoot after dark etc.

All I am saying before you sleigh someone in here look in the mirror.

Marv

[skulldugary]

No one is out to slay anyone here and maybe a life long ban to hunt is extreme but you can't compair a guy that has 2 beets too many or a guy that sits on stand and extra 10 minutes to someone that out and out repeatedly takes illeagal a deer for what ever reason.

[QuakrTrakr]

No one is out to slay anyone here and maybe a life long ban to hunt is extreme but you can't compair a guy that has 2 beets too many or a guy that sits on stand and extra 10 minutes to someone that out and out repeatedly takes illeagal a deer for what ever reason.
All those offenses will get you a ticket. CO's won't listen to your morality speech. If you play, be prepared to pay. Simple as that.

[M1Garand]

I agree a 10 year ban is a good start.

[doughman]

IS crazy! Maybe if your caught with an illegal deer( untagged) but what about the person who doesn't tag their deer right, forgot to mark the date? All these examples are infractions where do you draw the line.

I am not saying its right to be illegal but I think most people in here that say they are 100% by the book are hypicritical(sp)? You can't tell me, if you got a call to come over to my farm and shoot a doe for me because I broke my arm and can't hunt, my family doesn't have food in the freezer, that you would turn this down.

Not many of you would?

All I am saying there are situations and circumstances that make people make difficult decisions and this doesn't make them poachers or bad people.

[Jx38]

So, are you saiying that its ok as long as they are a family member or a friend????

Poaching is POACHING...no matter who does it!

are you serious:dizzy: :dizzy: :dizzy:
sometimes i really can't beleive what is read "betweeen the lines"
I SPECIFICALLY SAID "IT DRIVES ME NUTS" WHERE IN THE WORLD DO YOU GET THAT I AM SAYING IT IS OK??? :rant: Sorry but i am not going to turn in say: my brother, father, sister,

[Mathewsboy]

What i don't understand is why doens't michigan make it mandatory to Register your deer?

There were a couple guys that go nailed over this end last year for tagging deer with their wives tags.. The gamewarder threatened to call the wives and ask them a bunch of questions, and the guys finally gave in and admitted that the wife didn't shoot it..

[Chocha]

What ever happened to plain old sportsman ship and morals??

Last year during rifle season I watched a doe and a button buck for nearly an hour eating some sugar beats and just playing around about 15 yards in front of me.. It was pretty cool.. When I got back to camp and told the story my dad and uncles retarded buddy said " why didnt you shoot them and call us? We had doe permits." I just called him an idiot and laughed at him... And he still cant figure out why no body will go out in the woods with him...

[Trophy Specialist]

Penaltys on poaching have always been to soft. I think they should be as strong as most felonies. After all, poachers are stealing from the STATE. I think it boils down to the $$$$ amount the State puts on the deer. At the very least, a 10 year hunting ban would deter alot of poachers.
Actually, the penalties for an illegal deer, which is what you are talking about, can be quite sever. Here are the minimum penalties for an illegal deer: "$200 to $1,000 fine and 5-90 days in jail, restitution of $1,500 for bear, $1,000 for deer/turkey, plus revocation of hunting licenses for remainder of year convicted, plus next 3 consecutive years." Here what multiple offenders get (more than one conviction within five years): "$500 to $2,000 fine and 10 to 180 days in jail." If you're using a light to poach, then add another $100-500 to the fine plus more jail time. It's $500 and/or 90 days in jail if your caught with a firearm while under the influence. Add to that court and lawyer costs and I think that if most party hunters or people who otherwise poach knew that it might cost them thousands of dollars and some mandatory time in jail, they wouldn't do the crimes. I just don't think that most poachers know what the ramifications are if they were to get caught. Also, these vilations will go on your perminant criminal record available to anybody that does a background check on you.

[Munsterlndr]

What i don't understand is why doens't michigan make it mandatory to Register your deer?

There were a couple guys that go nailed over this end last year for tagging deer with their wives tags.. The gamewarder threatened to call the wives and ask them a bunch of questions, and the guys finally gave in and admitted that the wife didn't shoot it..

Expense, for the most part, and the fact that the statistical data gathered by physical check-ins is not any more accurate then the mail-out survey method that we use in Michigan. Compliance is still an issue with physical check-ins. Some states with mandatory check-in estimate that 20-30% of hunters don't comply.

Poachers are poachers, with or without their wifes tag. My guess is that if we had physical check-in required that instead of using their wifes tag they would not tag them at all and that the deer would go straight from the covered bed of the pick-up, to the closed pole barn, to the freezer. Given that we harvest over 400,000 deer a year in Michigan and 87% of them are on private land, there is no way we are going to have perfect compliance.

The only way we will reduce poaching is when hunters get tired enough of listening to someone boast of shooting 10 deer last year and report the violators, whether they are the stranger at the bar or your father-in-law.

[WALLEYEvision]

...All I am saying there are situations and circumstances that make people make difficult decisions and this doesn't make them poachers or bad people.
Bad people or not, poaching is still "poaching". It's kind of like saying just because I robbed a bank, it doesn't make me a robber.

[trailsend]

You can hear the talk about it already. I was listening to some guys at the local watering hole up north a couple weeks ago about using someone elses tag. The one buck rule was the topic of thier discussion.They live in hunting paradise and are not going to quit hunting if they get there buck early in the season.Michigan now has a mentor program for hunting,no need for a hunter safety certificate to purchase a license.So forget about getting Grandma they can get anyone of legal age. I don't believe this a regional issue. Threatening to turn people in will not go over well in certain conditions.All you can do is speak your opinion on what you would do.Im not saying it is ok to break the rules. All i'm saying is it happens everyday and to think it does'nt is naieve (sp).

[Riddle]

I am not saying its right to be illegal but I think most people in here that say they are 100% by the book are hypicritical(sp)? You can't tell me, if you got a call to come over to my farm and shoot a doe for me because I broke my arm and can't hunt, my family doesn't have food in the freezer, that you would turn this down.

I would turn it down, if you were a friend or family, you wouldn't put me in that position. And, if you desperately needed food and couldn't hunt, sell your hunting gear and go to the store to buy food. Or, lease out your farmland to somebody else to hunt, and then buy food.

The "the freezer is empty" justification for poaching is complete and utter bull*****.

[deerslayer1220]

:sad: Does it even bother these "hunters/poachers" if they get a 3,5,10 year or even lifetime ban on their hunting license if they were already breaking the rules that govern our sport. Its kind of like gun control if you have nothing to hide your fine with waiting period. Even if they lose their hunting rights they will probably maintain their style of hunting.

[Frantz]

Should be a minimum 90 days jail time, some high level of community service, loss of the weapon used, a very heavy fine and 20 years without hunting. The hard part is proving it, but the mere fact that some of these idiots brag about it should be good enough for more arrests. Don't flame me, I get as pissed about this stuff as everyone else. Sorry, and I would tell this to my own mother, and have told this to my own sister (Who now hunts for the past 3 years), if you want a deer, get off your ass and go get one. There are amny many many...... a lot of opportunities each year to go out, pick one, or all and enjoy!

[Huntsman27]

are you serious:dizzy: :dizzy: :dizzy:
sometimes i really can't beleive what is read "betweeen the lines"
I SPECIFICALLY SAID "IT DRIVES ME NUTS" WHERE IN THE WORLD DO YOU GET THAT I AM SAYING IT IS OK??? :rant: Sorry but i am not going to turn in say: my brother, father, sister, Your family would be breaking the law, and if your there with them your JUST as guilty for not stepping up and saying something. So, in other words its fine for everyone to do it as long as it "stays in the family". It amazes me youd condone such ILLEGAL activity on a public forum. Now that is:dizzy: :dizzy: :dizzy: ...and an extra:tdo12:

[Jx38]

i have a buddy who i used to hunt w/ alot. "used to" is the key word. he pobably shoots 4-5 bucks a year, and i have to idea how many does. he uses other peoples tags, and has no problem doing so.

he almost bought a 40 acre peice next to my eighty. the Amish ended up buying it. all it is is an 35 acre feild w/ a house. he made a comment to me about "now your hunting is done, the Amish will kill everything" i would much rather have the amish for a neighbor than him. personally i would like to see him get nailed for poaching, i don't want to be the one to turn him in, we've benn buddies since school

[M1Garand]

IS crazy! Maybe if your caught with an illegal deer( untagged) but what about the person who doesn't tag their deer right, forgot to mark the date? All these examples are infractions where do you draw the line.

I am not saying its right to be illegal but I think most people in here that say they are 100% by the book are hypicritical(sp)? You can't tell me, if you got a call to come over to my farm and shoot a doe for me because I broke my arm and can't hunt, my family doesn't have food in the freezer, that you would turn this down.



Forgeting to mark a date is a far cry from using someone elses tag or an untagged deer. There's a difference between an honest mistake and doing something to get around the law so you can either take more than your limit or continue to hunt. And yes I am by the book because it's not all that hard to follow the rules. If you broke your arm and couldn't hunt, that's not an excuse for someone else to use your tag. We don't live 150 years ago where it could mean you'll go hungry over the winter. If a friend of relative wants to use one of their tags and give you a deer, fine, otherwise you'll have to skip the venison that year and hit the local grocery store.

[M1Garand]

i have a buddy who i used to hunt w/ alot. "used to" is the key word. he pobably shoots 4-5 bucks a year, and i have to idea how many does. he uses other peoples tags, and has no problem doing so.

he almost bought a 40 acre peice next to my eighty. the Amish ended up buying it. all it is is an 35 acre feild w/ a house. he made a comment to me about "now your hunting is done, the Amish will kill everything" i would much rather have the amish for a neighbor than him. personally i would like to see him get nailed for poaching, i don't want to be the one to turn him in, we've benn buddies since school

If you want to see him get nailed, why don't you call in a tip when he's doing this behavior? It can be annonymous.

[jimmyboy]

A very large persentage of using anothers tag i.e. Aunt jane or uncle Bob,can be prevented if the MDNR would crosscheck license applicants against the Hunter Safety completion lists at time of sale.No certificate- no deer license/tag.See many grannies at your class? Mebbe a couple,but darn few.

[fdunford]

I started a thread like this before - just to stir the pot - but it got shut down.

I feel it is clearly a violation, but I believe it happens quite a bit. I know people who have done this and think there is nothing wrong with it. It speaks to the integrity of the hunter really and shows their true character.

The main thing we can hope for is that people will learn and grow in character and see that this type of behavior is beter left undone.

[Shop Rat]

Michigan has so many tags available that there is no reason for this. Even the guy who may live in remote areas and hunts to feed his family because there may not be good jobs around. If there are no antlerless tags or the population is terrible, hunt where there are lots of deer.

How many guys have tagged a deer, dragged it out and found that the tag fell off. A couple of years ago in Menominee county I shot 2 deer on the far side of a river. I tagged them, tied the tag securely on the leg, then tied a rope on their necks. Went to the other side of the river and pulled them across and gutted them. I did not want the tags in the water, but it was the right thing to do.

[Whit1]

What i don't understand is why doens't michigan make it mandatory to Register your deer?

Because poachers will poach and poach and poach. They ignore the regulations that we already have. Mandatory Deer Check-In will not stop poachers. States with MDCI have no idea of the non-compliance rate among hunters.



"Even the guy who may live in remote areas and hunts to feed his family because there may not be good jobs around."


This is a myth, a crock, a fabrication, plain and simple! There is enough assistance out there that prevents this from being valid. This is the time dishonored refrain of poachers since Adam and Eve got the boot from Paradise.

[Ranger Ray]

Lifetime ban.

[Death_From_Above]

Actually if I remember correctly from the paper last year it is less money to be caught with an untaged deer, than to be caught using someone else's tag.

So why use someone elses tag? If they are going to get caught it's cheaper to just not tag it at all.

At least that is my recollection of the newspaper citations last year in Ludington Daily news.

I found that to be a little odd!

[QuakrTrakr]

Lifetime ban.
I think that's too stiff of a penalty. If you do that, then they have no other option but to poach. I think in the 5 to 10 year range, so it hurts.

[Frantz]

I SPECIFICALLY SAID "IT DRIVES ME NUTS" WHERE IN THE WORLD DO YOU GET THAT I AM SAYING IT IS OK??? :rant:

Sorry but i am not going to turn in say: my brother, father, sister,

know people who have done it for years- if they were not family or friend, i would turn them in. it drives me nuts.



I am guessing that this where he "Gets that you are saying it is OK" If they were not family or friend you would turn them in, that in itself condones the violations in your mind, otherwise you would either have convinced them to change their ways, or you would have turned them in for continuing illegal activities. Just an observation.

[TrailFndr]

are you serious:dizzy: :dizzy: :dizzy:
sometimes i really can't beleive what is read "betweeen the lines"
I SPECIFICALLY SAID "IT DRIVES ME NUTS" WHERE IN THE WORLD DO YOU GET THAT I AM SAYING IT IS OK??? :rant: Sorry but i am not going to turn in say: my brother, father, sister,

As others have stated...If you are Not stopping your Father, Brother Or Sister, you are condoning Illegal activity. Poaching is poaching, no matter who does it.

Ask me if I would turn in a family member....YES...and I already have proven that. I turned in my own Brother for this infraction. I talked to him about it the first year, and told him how illegal it was, and when he used his Girlfriends tag the following year, I called the DNR...I do not condone poaching from anyone....EVER!

Would I do the same again...In a heartbeat. I have never regretted my decision. Brother was pissed, but in time he got over it, He does not use others tags anymore, so I guess I had a positive influence in his behavior.

[Huntsman27]

A very large persentage of using anothers tag i.e. Aunt jane or uncle Bob,can be prevented if the MDNR would crosscheck license applicants against the Hunter Safety completion lists at time of sale.No certificate- no deer license/tag.See many grannies at your class? Mebbe a couple,but darn few.
have to take hunters safety!!!!

[bowhunter11]

I say a 5 year ban and a HUGE fine! This is something that happens way to often!!!!!

[boehr]

I don't know too many grannies that were not born before 1960 hence, they don't need hunter safety. This was a highly used violation at one time and it is still used too much but not as much as it once was. The requirement of possession of a firearm without an unused kill tag issued to you stopped some of it along with cell phones. I have many times come across someone with a deer and the tag, which belongs to someone else that supposedly left earlier, gave that person a call with some questions. I have most always ended up with a confession in that situation.;)

If one is going to try to use someone else's tag, if that doesn't work, they will still take the deer using another poaching method. The best tool to stop poaching is the honest hunter themselves, turning poacher in. No different than any other law breaker.

As far as increasing the penalties, we have had this discussion before, look at your own judges in the counties where it happens. The penalty possibilities are already there but judges don't use them.

As to the fail to punch the date etc., a CO will always look at the totality of the circumstances as "if" or what charge to issue. Anterless permits though are real common not to punch the date unless the CO is seen because once they get it back to the barn, it gets butchered and the doe permit gets used again with female deer and the month of November punched, just no date. Of course this happenes with bucks too. I have seen it all and of caught many and sometimes missed some, that is just the way the game is played.

Bottom line, as already stated, doesn't matter what the law is, what the penalties are, if a poacher is going to poach, they will poach. I think that's called job security.:)

[rzdrmh]

How many guys have tagged a deer, dragged it out and found that the tag fell off. A couple of years ago in Menominee county I shot 2 deer on the far side of a river. I tagged them, tied the tag securely on the leg, then tied a rope on their necks. Went to the other side of the river and pulled them across and gutted them. I did not want the tags in the water, but it was the right thing to do.

according to boehr, the tag needs to be affixed to the deer. however, it doesn't matter how its affixed. so, if you have a 6 ft towline, tied to the deer to drag, you can place the tag at the end of the towline, near the part you are holding, so that it has little chance to get caught and lost.

i thought this was a very good tip and have used it a few times when the situation warranted it.

[Linda G.]

Every year, whenever I attend the elk hunt orientations, I have to laugh at the looks on some people's faces when they learn that if granny pulled a tag, GRANNY'S hunting, not them...and you know what??

I've seen a lot of those grandmas get out there and do just as good a job hunting down their elk as their sons and grandsons would have-maybe better.

The last grandma I saw out there with her elk was 77 years young.

[Bluesuten]

This happens so often that, the only way to enforce the tag swap would have to be people turning in friends and family. Everyone is wired differently and have their own interpertations of the law and how it applies to them. The mandatory deer registration would be a first step in the right direction.

[Pauly3511]

its impossible to enforce and will never stop

[Ferg]

Poaching is poaching is poaching - there is little interpitation of the law - it's very clear - about what is and what is NOT poaching -

And the 'do you drive 5 miles ove the speed limit' arugment is BS - because that is wrong too - do people do it? Yes, do they get caught? Yes - Do they pay the fine - yes -

So if your going to break the law - simple - be prepaird to pay the price -


ferg....
I would turn in my mother for this too :-)

[Tom (mich)]

The argument that mandatory deer registration would somehow stop the illegal harvest of deer is precisely the same that gun control advocates preach when stating that mandatory gun registration will stop violent crime.

In the end, neither would work.

[EYESON]

I personally think Michigan should allow "party" hunting. We hunt in Wisconsin where you can legeally shoot a deer for another person. You have to be with in yelling distance. It is really kind of nice, we had a lean year a couple of years back so me and my brother-in-law went out and I sat on one side of the ridge he sat on the other, it just so happened the big doe walked past him he knocked it down and yelled for me that we know had two deer on the pole. It also allows a couple of people to hunt together so you don't have to head to the woods alone. If I shoot a deer before my wife does she stops hunting for the year because she doesn't want to go to the woods by herself.

[safetreehunt]

As much as I hate to see any lawbreaking it's nearly impossible to do. Obviously this thread is discussing a blatant disregard for the law by using someone elses tag, but I would bet that nearly all, if not everyone on this forum has broken the game laws afield at one time or another. The laws are so confusing, I don't know how you can't.

This confusion seems to be a nice way to tax the hunting community and make us look like bad guys. Remember, the primary reason for fines and in most cases laws, is to create income for the state, and not necessarily to protect anything at all.

[NorthJeff]

Whether it is ducks, rabbits, fish, deer, etc., "party" hunting/fishing happens all the time and doesn't seem to be going away anytime soon. Honestly, have any of you ever helped someone complete a limit of fish? ducks? pheasants? after your own was already filled? I'd even go as far to say it has happened, happens, or will happen in most hunting camps across MI. Not saying it is right....but very, very common and deer hunting is no different.

[rzdrmh]

As much as I hate to see any lawbreaking it's nearly impossible to do. Obviously this thread is discussing a blatant disregard for the law by using someone elses tag, but I would bet that nearly all, if not everyone on this forum has broken the game laws afield at one time or another..

not nearly all, but ALL. from not having picture id on you, to not marking your treestand, to having a shell chambered or arrow nocked prior to shooting times.

party hunting is illegal, period. don't do it. that said, i don't have a problem with the concept of party hunting, were it legal. that is, a group of people with a group of tags. the assumption is that all would be hunting at the same time (can't take your friends tag when he's not hunting) and that every tag is owned by someone that's hunting at the time (can't use a tag that granny bought, if granny's not hunting with you.), and the deer must be tagged before being moved (can't drag it 200 yards to where your friend is sitting, to tag it. he's got to tag it before it moves.)

[SMITTY1233]

This is one of the big reasons deer managment for larger bucks suffer. Somone will go out and kill a spike, four point, six point and eight point in one season...... The neighbors three of them all kill their two bucks as well.... Instead of having 8 dead deer you have ten.... This add's up quickly and I have always preached I don't care what you shoot because a trophy to you is different than a trophy to me.... But once you shoot your two bucks get your butt out of the woods or only go after does. Myself two years in a row my season ended on Nov 15th 8 a.m.... I am a huntin freak and as bad as it hurt not to be able to hunt it was the right thing to do..... Sometimes I missed it so bad I would just go out with the Video Camera and radio to help the others in our hunting party.... I'm not so much for point restrictions etc because we have plenty of deer in MI in most area's some worse than others for sure, but you can't kill 4-5 bucks every year and wonder why you don't have any mature deer to hunt. A couple years ago our neighbors shot 4 bucks that I know of for sure.... I told him when I found out if I ever heard it again I would call DNR.... I don't care who they are for or what the purpose is you are not to shoot a deer for someone else.....

[farmlegend]

I'd even go as far to say it has happened, happens, or will happen in most hunting camps across MI. Not saying it is right....but very, very common and deer hunting is no different.

Which is one reason to rejoice in the fact that very little deer hunting even happens in Michigan, anymore, within a traditional "camp" type setting. As we evolve away from that model, we may see less and less of this "tag sharing" bs.

[SMITTY1233]

Which is one reason to rejoice in the fact that very little deer hunting even happens in Michigan, anymore, within a traditional "camp" type setting. As we evolve away from that model, we may see less and less of this "tag sharing" bs.


Amen.................

[EYESON]

I for one hope the traditional "deer camp" never goes away. It is the one week out of the year to look forward to. There is nothing better then loading up and heading to the hunting camp.

[Riva]

The only scenario where I could see putting any "teeth" into curbing this practice would require (1) mandatory check-in within 24 hours of the kill and (2) requiring the person whose name the license is issued under to be physically present for the check in process. Think about it.

I can just hear it now; "Hey honeybunch, I know it's snowing down there in Kalamazoo, but do ya think you could drive up here to Drummond Island so I can check my...errrr... "your" deer in by tomorrow at noon?"


Oh what a wicked web we weave when we pratice to decieve!

[SMITTY1233]

I for one hope the traditional "deer camp" never goes away. It is the one week out of the year to look forward to. There is nothing better then loading up and heading to the hunting camp.

I don't want the camp itself to go away because the reduces hunting numbers and in the coming years we hunters are going to have to unite to protect our heritage. I think what was referred to was the doing away with traditional hunting camps ideas of managment both game and land etc..... That is a good thing.... ALmost all camps have started some sort of new method regarding these key issues.

[tommytubular]

Sometimes I missed it so bad I would just go out with the Video Camera and radio to help the others in our hunting party....

Im not trying to split hairs here....

But isn't it illegal to use two way radios to aid in the taking of game?

If I'm wrong.......I'm sorry

[Riva]

If I recall, I think both Juan and Eva are both deceased. Besides, any license they obtain would have to be an "out of state" tag because they live in Argentina!:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Trophy Specialist]

Im not trying to split hairs here....

But isn't it illegal to use two way radios to aid in the taking of game?

If I'm wrong.......I'm sorry
In some states it is illegal, but in MI. Just about everybody I know uses those radios while deer hunting, sometimes to the detriment of their hunting efforts. I'd bet that more deer oportunities are blown from people yacking on radios offsetting the small number of deer taken due to radios aiding the hunt.

[Ranger Ray]

Lifetime ban and every deer season you will have a GPS unit strapped to your leg to make sure you don't wonder in the woods. If you get caught violating you get 1 year in jail, second time 5. I will guarantee you would decrease this sharing of tags pronto. As long as we have a spineless justice system it is all for naught.

[pporonto]

In some states it is illegal, but in MI. Just about everybody I know uses those radios while deer hunting, sometimes to the detriment of their hunting efforts. I'd bet that more deer oportunities are blown from people yacking on radios offsetting the small number of deer taken due to radios aiding the hunt.

My Brother, Dad (who is 69), my best friend and I all use two way radio's when we are hunting... we don't use them so that we can tell the other one that a deer is headed there way, but more for safety... However, there is nothing better than hearing your friend whisper in the head gear microphone that a deer is heading his way, and then hearing him come on and tell you about the shot.... It has added so much fun to our hunting and is a lot safer when hunting in national forest!!!

[twohats]

:rant: I am totaly against people filling someone elses tag or tags. The tags have one name on it only.

[jimmyboy]

EYESON,How's this for a possible solution? Leave yure weapon in the closet and go hunting with her! She'll love ya for being so thoughtful.

[uptracker]

Any way you look at it, you shouldn't do it.....party hunting in Michigan I mean.

[rzdrmh]

two way radios are not illegal in michigan, for taking game, to my understanding.

of course, you probably won't get a buck in the books if you use radios - they have rules against it, but its not illegal.

[jimmyboy]

Same for cellphones and book bucks?

[skulldugary]

Thats waht I was thinking Jimmyboy,just about everyone these days has a cell phone.

[rzdrmh]

same for any audio/visual aid from someone else.

that is, if you have a guy in a 30 ft. tower spotting for you, and he gives you hand signals, its disqualified. that's my understanding.

personally, i could give a rip about the books - i take my cellphone and/or radio.

i should state that you're not automatically disqualified if you're carrying a cell phone / radio. but you are if you use that device to aid in the taking of game. that might be a simple call stating "hey, there's a buck coming your way" that disqualifies you. but if you're just using them for safety or checking in, no big deal..

[SMITTY1233]

I bow and gun hunt with my 68 year young grandfather and wouldn't think of sending him up a tree without a way to contact me.... Not a chance.... I don't care if I couldn't enter a deer in a record book the safety of my grandfather and other hunting pardners are first and foremost.

[Jx38]

Your family would be breaking the law, and if your there with them your JUST as guilty for not stepping up and saying something. So, in other words its fine for everyone to do it as long as it "stays in the family". It amazes me youd condone such ILLEGAL activity on a public forum. Now that is:dizzy: :dizzy: :dizzy: ...and an extra:tdo12:

i am never there w/ them!!! and i don't condone such activity in the least... i have talked to them about it time after time. about three years ago the argument got so heated that i had to walk out.

i love to whitetail hunt, its a passion of mine. but i love my family more. and family to me comes first!! i am not giong to turn in a family member, i just want them to stop and i've tried everything but turn them in. if i turned them in or even did an anonymos tip and they lost there hunting privilages i don't know how i could look them in the eyes.

even though they would be quilty and they would have what is coming to them i do not want to be the culprate.

what amazes me is how quick people are to attack and to throw assumptions such as: "youd condone ILLEGAL activity on a public forum"
again, i never said i condone, agree with, or support it. i specifically said that it "drives me nuts" come on now, where do you get that i condone it???:dizzy:

condone: to pardon or forgive - - to disregard or overlook (something illegal, objectional, or the like)

i neither pardon, desregard nor overlook. the meaning of condone seems to contradict itself. simply put i WILL NOT turn in a family matter because of an infraction such as that. sorry that you do not agree w/ me. i am not perfect nor are you, i try to abide by all hunting laws, and one time or another i am quilty as is everyone else. non of us are perfect.

[Trophy Specialist]

i love to whitetail hunt, its a passion of mine. but i love my family more. and family to me comes first!! i am not giong to turn in a family member, i just want them to stop and i've tried everything but turn them in. if i turned them in or even did an anonymos tip and they lost there hunting privilages i don't know how i could look them in the eyes.
Don't pay any attention to those that would tell you to turn in your family members because they are just blowing smoke. Better to just use peer presure to try to correct their behavior. Every time they brag about one of their deer they kill, always question them (interogation syle) to derterime if it was legal or not. If it was illegal, always make sure that you drive home the point that it was poached, which will take the pride out of their accomplishment. Eventually, they will eithor change their ways or never tell you about the deer they kill. Also, never go hunting with poachers reguardless or whether they are family or not. If you get invited to hunt with them or they ask to hunt with you, turn them down and tell them why.

[shady oaks]

i agree with both of you trophy specialist and Jx38. would i turn in my father or grandfather, no way. is it right for them to do it, hell no! but blood is thicker than water. do try driving the point to them. don't do it with them. do whatever you can to try getting them to change there ways, but no way would i turn in family.

[Jx38]

Trophy Specialist/Shady Oaks
i stopped hunting w/ them quit a few years ago. they have asked to come out to my eighty (allready knowing what the answer would be NO!!) they specifically wanted to shoot a buck because they know i have bunch.
Negative on that one. they're outlook on deer hunting is the excact opposite of mine - they don't believe in shooting does- so in order to get enough venision in the freezer they down every buck they see. (the need for other tags) they don't get it.
i have even done mathimatical equations to try to prove to them they will have more bucks by shooting does. they still don't get it. it is nothing to see 20-30 does in there feild at once, w/ no bucks. i don't even have that many deer in my area (which is about 7 miles away) but i would image that i have 5 times the bucks. !!!

i have already showed my disapointment in them over the years - and your'e right they used to call me to say they shot a buck. now i hear about when ever i see them. i am afraid that i can never change their hunting ways - and i don't think they will ever change:sad:
thanks for the input!!

[T4HALO]

jx38

Your family isn't the only one that thinks this way. But they are family and we love to hunt with them. I do what is right and hope they learn.

[musky32]

poaching is poaching, i have limited out and gone out with a camera or taken friends or neighbor kids or newbies or went with buddies.

[safetreehunt]

The biggest problem with dealing with sharing tags is enforcement.

It is not illegal to transport someone elses deer if it is tagged properly. Therefore, unless the CO can actually catch someone tagging a deer with someone elses tag, it's nearly impossible to get caught doing this.

Almost every season, deer from our camp are taken home by someone else. All deer are always tagged properly. Last year my son's and I shot 3 deer between us. One of the guys that came and hunted with us did not get a deer, so I gave him one of ours. Nothing wrong with that. All deer were tagged with the proper license by the shooting hunter.

If I'm wrong in doing this, I sure hope someone clears it up, but we have done this for years and several times I have taken my son's deer to a check station with him not present.

[Ferg]

The biggest problem with dealing with sharing tags is enforcement.

It is not illegal to transport someone elses deer if it is tagged properly. Therefore, unless the CO can actually catch someone tagging a deer with someone elses tag, it's nearly impossible to get caught doing this.

Almost every season, deer from our camp are taken home by someone else. All deer are always tagged properly. Last year my son's and I shot 3 deer between us. One of the guys that came and hunted with us did not get a deer, so I gave him one of ours. Nothing wrong with that. All deer were tagged with the proper license by the shooting hunter.

If I'm wrong in doing this, I sure hope someone clears it up, but we have done this for years and several times I have taken my son's deer to a check station with him not present.

Nope - I think your are correct - if the deer has the tag from the person that actually shot it - your not in violation of any law that I'm aware of

ferg....

[Briar Field]

I have been reading this post and thinking to myelf I am glad to see there are still some ethical hunters. I do not go out to see how many deer I can get so that I can brag to my buddies. I have been hunting for 20 years, since I have been 12 and could pick up a Bow, and have only taken 2 bucks (a 12 point and 8 point), a number of Does, and a beutiful 6X6 elk in colorado. Hearing people using other peoples tags to get more buck just sickens me :tdo12: . We are out there to have fun and enjoy the outdoors. I love being in the woods and seeing nice bucks. If people use there tags as they are suppose to then all of us can enjoy a better hunting season and see more bucks in the future.

Two pieces of property I have see ruined by this is a couple people shot 7 bucks and a number of button bucks in one year "brown its down theory". The last two years I have heard maybe one buck taken in the area. Another lease area the owner gave a discound for every Doe that was taken. The group ended up with 40 or 50 deer, the area still has not recovered in the last 5 years.

If you get your tags filled, great let the others go so that maybe next year that little spike you would have taken with your wifes tag, could be a nice mature 10 point next year. Watch the antlerless deer closely so you do not shoot a Button buck which could be a nice one for next year.

Everyone, go out and enjoy the hunt and remember the rules are there to keep things fair for everyone and to ensure the future of our support. I admit I am always tempted to shoot that Rabbit out of the garden, or to put my bait pile out in September, but rules are rules and they are there to help ensure a balance and a future for our sport.

I appoligize for the preaching, but Hunting is a passion of mine and I would love to have my Kids enjoy this when they reach a hunting age. It not about the kill or count for me, its is the excitment that any minute another 12 point will come in, or a flush of a pheasent will scare the s*** out of me when heading to my blind.

[huntmdown]

Briar Field,
Well said. Our ethical system in this sport takes some plunges in these areas. I suppose hunters have well supported reasons. Between that and the stories I heard and witnessed of hunters stealing other hunters deer. What is this world coming to?:SHOCKED: