Not so famous quotes... but timely!

[Jackster1]

George W. Bush, 4/9/99:
“Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is.”

George W. Bush, 6/5/99
“I think it’s also important for the president to lay out a timetable as to how long they will be involved and when they will be withdrawn.”

Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)
"If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain they have a clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy."

Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99
"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."

Senator James Inhofe (R-OK)
"You can support the troops but not the president"

Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)
"My job as majority leader is be supportive of our troops, try to have input as decisions are made and to look at those decisions after they're made ... not to march in lock step with everything the president decides to do."

Senator Inhofe (R-OK
"I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our overextended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today"

[eddiejohn4]

Hey Jackster heres the exit strategy, we will leave after we are sure that the new Iraqi goverment can sustain themselfs. I believe that is what Bush has said all along.:D

[Ranger Ray]

Joe Biden > August 4, 2002
"This is a guy who is an extreme danger to the world, and this is a guy who is in every way possible seeking weapons of mass destruction."
John Kerry > January 23, 2003
"Without question we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator leading an impressive regime. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he's miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. His consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction."
Al Gore > September 23, 2002We know that he has stored nuclear supplies, secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
Senator Hillary Clinton > October 10, 2002"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock. His missile delivery capability, his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists including Al-Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."

[dtg]

Are you trying to compare a war against a uniformed army and the current terrorist war? Are you saying that these two are the same, fought the same way? If only it were that simple.

[Jackster1]

Joe Biden > August 4, 2002
"This is a guy who is an extreme danger to the world, and this is a guy who is in every way possible seeking weapons of mass destruction."
John Kerry > January 23, 2003
"Without question we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator leading an impressive regime. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he's miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. His consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction."
Al Gore > September 23, 2002We know that he has stored nuclear supplies, secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
Senator Hillary Clinton > October 10, 2002"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock. His missile delivery capability, his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists including Al-Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."

Key words: "intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical"
That's the bottom-line as to why those people said what they did. The believed the horse-pucky fed them by The White House.

[Jackster1]

Are you trying to compare a war against a uniformed army and the current terrorist war? Are you saying that these two are the same, fought the same way? If only it were that simple.

I'm not so sure the militants ion Kosavo and Africa wore uniforms!
Doesn't matter though, you can't have it both ways... or can you? :confused:

[eyecatcher]

George W. Bush, 4/9/99:
“Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is.”

George W. Bush, 6/5/99
“I think it’s also important for the president to lay out a timetable as to how long they will be involved and when they will be withdrawn.”

Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)
"If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain they have a clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy."

Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99
"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."

Senator James Inhofe (R-OK)
"You can support the troops but not the president"

Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)
"My job as majority leader is be supportive of our troops, try to have input as decisions are made and to look at those decisions after they're made ... not to march in lock step with everything the president decides to do."

Senator Inhofe (R-OK
"I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our overextended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today"




Also, let's not forget:

http://www.glennbeck.com/news/01302004.shtml

What Did The Democrats Say About Iraq's WMD?


JANUARY 30, 2004
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 | Source

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source

"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 | Source

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 | Source

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998 | Source

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 | Source

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 | Source

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 | Source

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 | Source

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 | Source
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this is from another thread. posted originally by papa smurf

[Jackster1]

Yup, no denying it eyecatcher... the Dem's said those things. They didn't snatch those statements out of thin air though, they based them on the outright LIE'S given by the Republicans in power!

[BoonDog]

> Are You A Democrat, Republican, or a Southern Republican?
>
> Here is a little test that will help you decide.
>
> Question: How do you tell the difference between
> Democrats, Republicans And Southern Republicans?
>
> The answer can be found by posing the following question:
>
> You're walking down a deserted street with your wife
> and two small children. Suddenly, an Islamic Terrorist
> with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes
> with you, screams obscenities, praises Allah, raises
> the knife, and charges at you. You are carrying a
> Glock 40 cal, and you are an expert shot. You have
> mere seconds before he reaches you and your family.
>
> What do you do?
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Democrat's Answer:
>
> Well, that's not enough information to answer the question!
>
> Does the man look poor! Or oppressed?
>
> Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire
> him to attack?
>
> Could we run away?
>
> What does my wife think?
>
> What about the kids?
>
> Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock
> the knife out of his hand?
>
> What does the law say about this situation?
>
> Does the Glock have appropriate safety built into it?
>
> Why am I carrying a loaded gun anyway, and what
> kind of message does this send to society and to my children?
>
> Is it possible he'd be happy with just killing me?
>
> Does he definitely want to kill me, or would he be
> content just to wound me?
>
> If I were to grab his knees and hold on, could my
> family get away while he was stabbing me?
>
> Should I call 9-1-1?
>
> Why is this street so deserted?
>
> We need to raise taxes, have a paint and weed day
> and make this happier, healthier street that would
> discourage such behavior.
>
> This is all so confusing! I need to debate this with some friends for a few days and try to come to a consensus.



> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Republican's Answer:
>
> BANG!
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


> Southern Republican's Answer:
>
> BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!
> BANG! click......(sounds of reloading).
>
> BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!
> BANG! click
>
> Daughter: "Nice grouping, Daddy! Were those the
> Winchester Silver Tips or Hollow Points that I bought you for your
> birthday?"


Blah, blah , blah...he lied, she lied, who cares. Lies or not - Saddam was a murdeous SOB who did absolutely no good for anybody....ever. We saw a problem, we fixed the problem....GIT 'ER DONE!!!!!!!!

[Jackster1]

Blah, blah , blah...he lied, she lied, who cares. Lies or not - Saddam was a murdeous SOB who did absolutely no good for anybody....ever. We saw a problem, we fixed the problem....GIT 'ER DONE!!!!!!!!

A bullet to the head would have solved that problem and saved us many young American's lives and quite a few bucks.
That wouldn't be 'cowboy' enough though I guess! :sad:

[BoonDog]

Brilliant Jack! Absolutely brilliant! Nice try - take out the leader and leave the whole country spiraling into anarchy and fending for themselves. Oh wait, then we'll have to send our young soldiers into a hornet's nest even worse than now to "fix" the problem your magic bullet created. Great idea.

[ChapstickCharlie]

Jackster you are banging your head againt the wall here, but good luck anyway. The thing even us libs have to say about it all is yes, Bush is a decent man of conviction, and yes he means well, as far as he can tell he is doing his honest best. However He has no reverse and lacks the inner strength to examine himself and his policies objectively. Not unlike most on here. Dude I am just getting weary of both sides here just standing on opposites of the road and throwing barbs. Has anyone here had the strength to question even one belief in all this banter?
See what happens when I eat too much Mexican.

[wolverinerick]

Brilliant Jack! Absolutely brilliant! Nice try - take out the leader and leave the whole country spiraling into anarchy and fending for themselves. Oh wait, then we'll have to send our young soldiers into a hornet's nest even worse than now to "fix" the problem your magic bullet created. Great idea.What, let that country fend for them selves, oh no we should take care of them. You sound like a liberal to me.

[Ranger Ray]

Key words: "intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical"
That's the bottom-line as to why those people said what they did. The believed the horse-pucky fed them by The White House.
1. Since when did the democrats start believing the republicans? :lol: If the democrats agreed with the republicans it was because they saw some political gain in it.

2. Didn't know the president was in charge of gathering the intelligence. Thought it was supposed to be supplied to him and from that intelligence he would figure how to proceed. Now I am not sure but just maybe Jackster1, the logical reason the democrats made their statements and the president went in to Iraq was based on those same key words.
Jackster you are banging your head againt the wall here, but good luck anyway. The thing even us libs have to say about it all is yes, Bush is a decent man of conviction, and yes he means well, as far as he can tell he is doing his honest best. However He has no reverse and lacks the inner strength to examine himself and his policies objectively. Not unlike most on here. Dude I am just getting weary of both sides here just standing on opposites of the road and throwing barbs. Has anyone here had the strength to question even one belief in all this banter?
See what happens when I eat too much Mexican.
One has no right to expect intelligent argument or response especially when they themselves don't give any. Maybe you need to go back and read the post that started this thread. If you can make the case that its purpose was to solicit intelligent conversation from a non lib, I will admit your statement right and apologize.

[BoonDog]

Wolverine - Liberal? Good one:lol: Call me whatever you wish, I know what my beliefs stand for and I believe in responsibility for one's actions. If your going to remove a leader of a country, you'd better be well prepared to deal with the repercussions of your actions. If you think conservative thinking says go out an murder somebody and leave the innocents to deal with the vacuum of leadership and protection, ummmmm - sorry, I can't even fathom what that is called???

[Hi Ho Silver_Joe]

I'm not getting involved. :D

[ChapstickCharlie]

K. Reread it. Now I'm with Hi Ho.

[kingfisher 11]

A bullet to the head would have solved that problem and saved us many young American's lives and quite a few bucks.
That wouldn't be 'cowboy' enough though I guess! :sad:


What have the Democrats done in most of there large cities to stop the deaths of our citizens at home? I am sure someone can get me the numbers. what was the last numbers I heard....18,000 murders a year? That is per year!
Last I knew USA was not in a war zone. Of course this problem is all the fault of the Republican party too.:dizzy:

When will the democrats do something to stop the sensless murders that happen in many of there own districts?

[MEL]

A bullet to the head would have solved that problem and saved us many young American's lives and quite a few bucks.
That wouldn't be 'cowboy' enough though I guess! :sad:

As i remember it. YOUR congress passed a law making it illegal for the US to be involved, in any way, in an assassination of any kind. And if i remember it correctly, it was many years ago, none other than the democrate president James "Jimmy" Carter signed it.

Bush would be in prison if he had any part of an assassination of poor old Sadam, Just think what fun the liberals would have had with that one.
The libs would be dancing in the streets with that one.

[fishin' fin]

If you think conservative thinking says go out an murder somebody and leave the innocents to deal with the vacuum of leadership and protection, ummmmm - sorry, I can't even fathom what that is called???
Shew!!...... Sure can tell ya'll didn't bounce off no watermelon truck.:)

[Jackster1]

What have the Democrats done in most of there large cities to stop the deaths of our citizens at home? I am sure someone can get me the numbers. what was the last numbers I heard....18,000 murders a year? That is per year!
Last I knew USA was not in a war zone. Of course this problem is all the fault of the Republican party too.:dizzy:

When will the democrats do something to stop the sensless murders that happen in many of there own districts?

It figures... straight out of the Limbaugh show! That guy downplays the deaths and maiming of thousands of young Americans who went in to 'get Sadam' to make it seem like a cake walk.
Fine hero you quote there! :rolleyes: I'm sure he thinks of them each time he turns on one of his solid gold faucets or boards his own personal jet!

[eyecatcher]

Yup, no denying it eyecatcher... the Dem's said those things. They didn't snatch those statements out of thin air though, they based them on the outright LIE'S given by the Republicans in power!

I'm confused which republicans were in power in 1998? wasn't clinton in office then?

as fars as LIES go who was it that got impeached for LYING under oath? I don't remember it being a republican.

[Jackster1]

eyecatcher, did you even read the quotes you regurgitated?
Many were made in 1998. What those people said seems to have worked. What has the Bush brigade come up with as far as WMD in Iraq? Some stale weapons from another era, that's what! :lol: That is a FAR cry from 'the clear and present threat' that the cowboy and his posse sold us on!

[Jackster1]

When will the democrats do something to stop the sensless murders that happen in many of there own districts?

Oooooohhh... When will the republicans do something to stop the heart attacks that happen in many of their own districts (see how silly quoting Rush and Sean can sound when put in context?)

[eyecatcher]

eyecatcher, did you even read the quotes you regurgitated?
Many were made in 1998. What those people said seems to have worked. What has the Bush brigade come up with as far as WMD in Iraq? Some stale weapons from another era, that's what! :lol: That is a FAR cry from 'the clear and present threat' that the cowboy and his posse sold us on!

Jackster please tell how what these fools said worked
Im'real sorry if I'm confusing you with the facts.This is my last post on this thread I have decided to take ranger rays advise.

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source

"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 | Source

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 | Source

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998 | Source

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 | Source

[Jackster1]

eyecatcher... Bush didn't find all those WMD's that were in the posters Colin Powell held up to the world days before the attack... remember those?
Yup, despite satellite imaging that can read a license plate from space, Sadam somehow snuck everything out in the few days after Colin's sales pitch (which he later said he regreted making) and before we attacked.
The fact there were no weapons found capable of attacking us at any moment tells me Clinton & Co. did a better job as controlling Sadam than Bush was letting on. Hence the quotes!

[fishlkmich]

How many innocent Iraqis died per day during Saddam’s regime?

How many innocent Iraqi’s are dying under the Bush regime?
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/press/pr13.php

Shoot ’em up BoonDog! Our soldiers are committing murders and you condone it. You call Saddam a murderer, yet our commander in chief allows more murders of innocent civilians than in any year under Saddam’s reign. Click, bang – dead baby. Click, bang – dead mother. Click bang - dead old man. BOOM – IED – 5 dead soldiers. You support it. I marched against it, before it started.

Saddam is charged with killing innocent civilians. Now our soldiers are being charged with the same crimes.

Saddam is being charged with torture. Our soldiers have been convicted of it.

Bush should go on trial as soon as they finish with Saddam.

Of course, they won’t even impeach him, because he didn’t get a BJ from an intern.:rolleyes:

[Munsterlndr]

You sound just like the pathetic morons that greeted our troops returning from Vietnam with cries of "Baby Killers!" and "Murderers!". Liberals don't ever change their tune, I guess. :rolleyes:

[fishlkmich]

That sounds like a great defense from a pathetic moron!:lol:

[Munsterlndr]

Wow, great comeback! About what one would expect from a third grader.

Your rapier wit is about as effective as the validity of your arguments. :rolleyes:

[fishlkmich]

What arguments?:confused:

[ChapstickCharlie]

I am outa town for one day and a moron fight breaks out. Don't make me go back and read this thread again just to find out that two people see the same war two different ways and are surprised their arguments don't save the world. And I thought HI HO and I had the moron rights around here anyway.

[labdog99]

Our soldiers are committing murders

You should hang out with the military hating Gmalicoat. You two would get along good. Since this thread is about quotes, here is one...
"You're a tool" ~ Labdog99 25 June 2006

[Kevin]

Closing this. Asking mod staff to review for possible strikes.
If you can't discuss issues like a grown-up, don't participate in this forum.