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uptracker
02-05-2006, 01:38 PM
Does anyone know what Tony is planting to create buck bedding areas? His cocky ___ wouldn't tell me unless I paid the $1300+ for his boot camp and other stuff. Sort of bothering me as you can tell.




Liver and Onions
02-05-2006, 02:11 PM
I'll tell ya for $1,200.

L & O

November Sunrise
02-05-2006, 03:38 PM
Does anyone know what Tony is planting to create buck bedding areas? His cocky ___ wouldn't tell me unless I paid the $1300+ for his boot camp and other stuff. Sort of bothering me as you can tell.

:dizzy:

What would make you think that a business owner has any obligation to disclose information or trade secrets to you?

It would be unethical of him to disclose information for free to you, while at the same time charging his clients for the same info.

If you have doubts about Tony's legitimacy, there are numerous well respected members of this site who can testify to the fact that he is the real deal.

chasmo54
02-05-2006, 07:56 PM
I would agree with the comments by everyone so far and add that Tony is doing what he is doing for a living. It's how he provides for his family. It's not his hobby as it is with I suspect you and many of us. I would hate to work somewhere that I had to ask for my paycheck every payday and then be told I'm cocky for asking!

NorthJeff
02-05-2006, 11:29 PM
I have a different perspective than many on this because this year I will be jumping into more of a "full-time" effort of habitat consultation through my company, Whitetail Habitat Solutions, LLC. I can tell you what I will do...assist you in reaching your property's potential of producing quality habitat and quality deer herds, as well as your property's buck age structure potential. In fact, I can send you a lengthy email to let you know exactly what I will do, but in the end it is not unusual to have a couple hours tied up in conversation alone. Every property is different. Property just a few miles apart can have different needs or goals, and therefore a different set of strategies to achieve those goals. I know for me personally, I have to get to know your individual property, at least on paper and over the phone, before I can justify spending an entire day of your money walking with you on your property. Also, your resource limitations, including equipment and yearly budget constraints are extremely important as well. All customers are important, and should be treated with respect, but at some point all of your efforts eventually run into the limitations of time, effort, and effeciency. I do not know Tony personally and have only met him one time briefly. But, I do know that for me to get to know you, get to know your property, and prescribe an appropriate plan based on your property's needs, the needs of the local deer herd, relative to your personal resources of money and equipment, time, and hunting style, it's very tough to justify the amount of hours needed to be somewhat accurate other than a full-day property consultation and often a considerable amount of time on the phone or in e-mail pre-consultation.

It's a tough balancing act...the time needed for great customer service with great potential customers often just as passionate as myself....vs....the time needed to run a business, or other time-based priorities that we all have.

Any yes, there is the fear of spending too much time, and taking the conversation too far into the realm of giving so much information up front that the necessity of an actual site inspection, and resulting fee, begins to deminish. Think about it, you could actually spend so much time and give so much information that someone might not think they need your services, even if they do. Again, I do not know Tony personally, but I do happen to know that he is extremely busy and has a very full schedule.

Some, or all of these management tactics may apply to you:

*identification of core sanctuary areas
*core sanctuary area enhancement for both does and bucks
*wildlife openings installation and maintainance relative to entire strategic property layout
*food plot design
*food plot installation
*food plot effeciency relative to local growing season, property deficiency, equipment constraints, yearly budget, and needs of the local deer herd
*the necessities of mature buck hunting and harvest techniques needed to reach your property's buck age structure potential
*appropriate doe management and hunting activities
*game camera use
*hunter management
*native vegitation enhancement
*border/neighbor concerns
*strategic trail and road system installation designed to maintain deer/human encounters to the lowest level
*entire strategic property development based on growing and holding the highest potential quality deer herd that is in balance with the habitat and that includes the highest level of buck age structure potential for your particular property.

There are so many different aspects of property management to consider, and so many tips and tactics in each area it is incredibly difficult to deliver within even a few hours of phone conversation, and that is where the all-day property consultation comes in. I can't stick up for Tony, other than to say in my experience there is a pretty tough balancing act that needs to take place and I hope that anyone who comes in contact with me is treated with the respect and answers that they deserve in building a customer service relationship that may ultimately lead to an on-site inspection as an intregal piece of a successfully developing plan for your property.

Anyone who knows me on this site knows that anything I suggest or do has been freely given with enthusiasm, in an effort to help anyone and everyone that chooses to be a positive part of the discussion. Often it's not how to implement a particular tactic, but how to implement a particular tactic that is appropriate for your needs, relative to other appropriate tactics needed for your property together in a strategic plan based on experience, for your individual property. It's a tough job over the phone, or even reading a magazine or book, and that is why the demand is so high for property consultation.

uptracker
02-05-2006, 11:55 PM
Give me a break. Other than NorthJeff's post, you got to be kidding me. I asked the guy one question about what he plants for bedding areas. All he had to say was one word....switchgrass, olive trees, sumac, alder, or simply a combination. I already know what to plant and where, all I was asking was his preference. I don't need to pay someone to tell me how, when, or why to plant and manage my land because I am educated and I do know what I am doing (no offense Jeff). If you can't do it yourself, you must be a lazy man with no physical work ethic and too much money to spend. It should have been simple and yet he tried to act like some CEO of Pfizer. Not saying that HE HAS TOO give up info, but you won't get any business being arrogant and stuck up either. Actually I realize it know with most "Professional Hunters" and other wannabes that jump on your case. Even on this site. I guess I should have known better that I would only get ripped on. My work here is done. End of story.

Diggdug
02-06-2006, 07:19 AM
UPtracker,
While I have never hired Tony I have talked to him and attended his free seminars. I believe you are right on the money with your guesses. He mentioned switchgrass and Autum Olives to me. Good luck!:)

NATTY BUMPO
02-06-2006, 07:23 AM
Does anyone know what Tony is planting to create buck bedding areas? His cocky ___ wouldn't tell me unless I paid the $1300+ for his boot camp and other stuff. Sort of bothering me as you can tell.

I dont know Tony and will probably never use his services, but I sure dont understand why you would expect him to give away his "trade secrets" to some guy who calls up and demands same. Its nothing personal, I'm sure, its just business.

Then you come on this forum and demand same??:confused: And you dont like the answers you get here either??:confused: When you ask an open ended question on a public forum like M-S, you need to understand that you might not like the answers!;)

NB

Nimrod1
02-06-2006, 07:45 AM
I already know what to plant and where, all I was asking was his preference. I don't need to pay someone to tell me how, when, or why to plant and manage my land because I am educated and I do know what I am doing (no offense Jeff).

If you have all the answers, then why did you ask Tony?

If you can't do it yourself, you must be a lazy man with no physical work ethic and too much money to spend.

I guess that this means you have never hired any professional? No auto mechanic, plumber, electrician, lawyer, doctor etc. I'm sorry, but I don't have enough years left to be making a mistake on my property that might take 20+ years to over come. Just because a person knows their limitations, and seeks advice from someone who has more knowledge or experience than themselves, doesn't make them lazy, more likely it makes them smart.