Mighigan Whitetails

[scsplayer2]

I know that I have not posted much, but I have been reading what everyone on this site has to say for the past few years, and you guys are very informative. I learned a lot from all of you, but all this bickering with each other about how we need to just have 1 buck tag, and to reduce archery season. The only way that we are going to get the herd to where we want it, is to do it ourselves. We must educate every hunter, and take it into our own hands. The DNR can't do everything, we as hunters must do what we think is right. Not wait for the DNR to say that we must do this. If you want bigger bucks, and more bucks, then everyone that hunts must come to an agreement. That means let the young bucks live. If you want meat so bad take a doe. And if you see that the herd is low in your area, then don't shoot anything unless it's a wall hanger. Is it really that bad if you don't shoot a deer for a couple years? C-mon people this is crazy, all this fighting over what should be done. Instead of fighting and complaining about what everyone's doing, go help educate everyone.

[NorthJeff]

"Instead of fighting and complaining about what everyone's doing, go help educate everyone."

That's a great idea!

I think I've given over 20 seminars in the past 18 months about deer management, as well as radio interviews. There is so much to "discuss", but what matters most is getting real information to real people. What has been great is to see that the truth always wins in the end and that people are truly hungry for the truth.

[scsplayer2]

Jeff I commend and thank you for doing what you're doing to help our herd.

[NorthJeff]

scsplayer..I'm not saying everything I do is "perfect"...but at least I'm trying hard with both time and energy, that's all you can do. So, so many people talk about what should be done, but talking and doing are two very different things. You might disagree with what I say or do...but I have no problem with anybody disagreeing with research and information to support their ideas. Too many people immediately dismiss solid information, based on opinion..I can't stand that! If you are going to hold an opinion, at least base it on something other than hear-say and coffee-clutch chatter. And when you do form an opinion based on solid information...SHARE it!

You might not agree with me...but at least I'll be active in helping to spread my beliefs and personal experiences, regardless of who attacks me personally, and how often..that only makes me push harder. I think that is why I've become more active, and have even more plans for public meetings this year, because the more I hear negative information or beliefs, the more I have to work harder to get the truth out there..it only fuels my passion. The best way for some to get me to shut-up, is to be quiet.

[Lenaweebowhunter]

Amen to all that has been done by Northjeff.....I so agree that education and the truth is what will help our deer herd in the long run.

[Bowhunter30]

I also haven't posted in awhile, in fact one of my last posts was stating the exact same thing as what scsplayer said. It is the reason I haven't been back on here for quite sometime, other than to check up on some of the discussions. Low and behold, the same old arguements and bickering and the same people saying the same thing over and over again.

I don't think anyone is to blame other than ourselves and the hunters around us for the size of the herd in your area(s). I have seen violations of the law and know people who actually will take more deer than they are allowed, then turn around and blame the DNR for not seeing any deer! Real geniuses, let me tell you and I have let them know how ignorant they sound.

About 8 years ago I was one of those hunters who constantly complained about the herd and the DNR, what was right to shoot and what wasn't. I wasn't the one who took more than I was allowed though, but did shoot smaller bucks. I realized that the way I was going to see deer was to take matters in my own hands, show some of my friends and family who did not hunt a fun time by letting them hunt some of the good stands in order for them to see deer. There is nothing better for me than to get someone hooked on hunting and to see that fire and excitement telling the story of what they seen that morning or evening. I have also been very active in planting food plots and doing various improvements to the land we hunt - very gratifying.

So, I am not sure there will be any answer to what is best for everyone, since we all have been brought up in different environments and opinions. What we all obviously have on thing in common, that is we love to be outdoors and we love to hunt. I do enjoy some of the posts and discussions, but for the most part remain silent and do not frequent as often as I used to.

[mecosta]

I am not really sure what people are complaining about when they talk about bickering. Yes people have different opinions on things. If you think about how important hunting is to most of the people coming on here to talk about it, I think the bickering is extremely low. Look at all of the other sites online and then you will see some real bickering. The reason I like this one better than other MI forums is because there is so littler name calling, fighting ect on here. There is always going to be some bickering when people are discussing something that they are passionate about. I say let the bickering begin! (But lets keep the name calling on other sights)

[Ferg]

I The reason I like this one better than other MI forums is because there is so littler name calling, fighting ect on here. There is always going to be some bickering when people are discussing something that they are passionate about. I say let the bickering begin! (But lets keep the name calling on other sights)

Thanks Mecosta - we take that as a compliment - the mod's here are all for discussion of opinions and facts - and even heated discussions - BUT - when it get's personal - we close the threads down.

There is NO reason to make any discussion of these types personal - we have found that in the last year or so fewer and fewer threads are needed to be closed.

ferg....

[NorthJeff]

"The reason I like this one better than other MI forums is because there is so littler name calling, fighting ect on here. There is always going to be some bickering when people are discussing something that they are passionate about. I say let the bickering begin!"

Our mods do a great job of policing this site. No, I don't always agree, but they have a tough job. I've been on other sites where name calling is allowed, personal attacks, even allowing guys to make fun of others for makeng a speling mistacke! :eek:

This is a pretty good site for allowing guys to "discuss", and if it gets personal...shut it down, it's the way it should be. It's tough on an open forum like this. When guys are not face to face they tend to be much more contreversial and they do not have the accountability of public scrutiny. Like I said, I've given 20+ public meetings in the past couple of years, and will give a lot more this year, and I've rarely had the intensity of discussion as we've had on this site. Guys are more subdued in person, and are much more accountable to outlandish statements to their neighbors and peers...they can't hide like on this site!

Even myself, my words often end up as radio fodder on a weekly basis for personal attacks...you can rest assured I think and research before I speak-most of the time!

[Bowhunter30]

I guess what I was saying was misconstrude a little. I still come to the site and there are some really interesting discussions going on within this site that I enjoy, or I would not visit. But some of the discussions are like a soap opera, I can take a couple of months off and come back and practically not miss a beat.

I commend those moderators, it must be a tough job walking that thin line of determining what is acceptable and what is getting a little over the line.

I still enjoy some of the discussions, but there are few that get real old real quick and yes, I have seen some of the other sites that don't regulate their discussions - not pretty!

Hopefully no offense taken by anyone!

[Whit1]

I commend those moderators, it must be a tough job walking that thin line of determining what is acceptable and what is getting a little over the line.


Thanks! You should read some of or "fan mail" sometime.......some of it on the boards and others not!!!.........:lol:

[Backwoods-Savage]

Thanks! You should read some of or "fan mail" sometime.......some of it on the boards and others not!!!.........:lol:

I'll bet you do get some dandies from time to time. :lol: