Who is going tonight

[fishin'magician']

I am going to be in Muskegon tonight fishing whites and was hoping to meet some of the other M-S guys I know from the site. and maybe even have a cold 1

[sfw1960]

FM,
How'd it go??

Robert

[fishin'magician']

4 of us fished from 630 till ten and brought home 34. After the first half hour of pulling in foul fish I switched to a single boiled egg presentation and we pounded em out on that.

There was a group of Asian folk who got lit up with a cooler full of foul fish.

[mike woj]

As I will be trying in Muskegon this evening on my way to Manistee, how did you set up your single egg rig for the river current? Thanks in advance.
Mike Woj

[fishin'magician']

with a 3 way rig 1 ft to a 1 oz bell with 1 ft to a #10 orange glow ant jammin jig tear drop with 1 boiled egg on it.

you need to be wicked quick or they are gone;)

[mike woj]

Thanks very much
MWoj

[J - Rod]

Nice going Magician....I always wondered why no one over here fishes for them like they do on the east side. Seems a lot more legit to me.

[fishin'magician']

thanks bro

[DonP]

with a 3 way rig 1 ft to a 1 oz bell with 1 ft to a #10 orange glow ant jammin jig tear drop with 1 boiled egg on it.
Hey Timmy...

.... this might be an idea :idea: for the perch "chicken rig" I told you about. You can get 2 hooks down there too... instead of just one. Rig one up maybe 10"-12" off bottom... and the other maybe 6 to 10 inches above the other hook.

Hmmm... got me to thinking about that now. I just might have to tie some of those up!! I'll bring the single eggs!! ;)

[sfw1960]

C'Mon out to th' Sub Club!
:lol:
I'm going to try a Hopkins with a stinger with a cured salmon egg on THAT...
If that doesn't work - I'm bustin out the waxworms again!

R

[solasylum]

I've been using a Lee's 1/2 oz. jigging spoon that I've put some glow tape on. Seems to have been working really well. I think a key to catching the legal fish is a slow 12" or so jig, not a violent 3 foot heave like your ripping salmon. I believe the legal fish are picking the spoon off their bed much like a bluegill would do. The shorter jig keeps the bait in the strike zone more and you don't end up with many snagged fish that way. I haven't tried bait yet but have been doing well with the above setup. I only want enough fresh fish for a few meals and then I'm done.

I've haven't seen the CO's down there but have heard they been handing out citations. Glad to hear it.

Scott

[severus]

I've been using a Lee's 1/2 oz. jigging spoon that I've put some glow tape on. Seems to have been working really well. I think a key to catching the legal fish is a slow 12" or so jig, not a violent 3 foot heave like your ripping salmon. I believe the legal fish are picking the spoon off their bed much like a bluegill would do. The shorter jig keeps the bait in the strike zone more and you don't end up with many snagged fish that way. I haven't tried bait yet but have been doing well with the above setup. I only want enough fresh fish for a few meals and then I'm done.

I've haven't seen the CO's down there but have heard they been handing out citations. Glad to hear it.

Scott
I couldn't agree with you more, not only about the CO's, but your method. No matter what you do though, you're going to foul-hook some. At times you can feel them run into your line, which causes snag-ups. I prefer a 12" lift/drop jig, where I can feel the lure jerk the rod tip when it falls. If no jerk is felt I'll set the hook because a whitie has likely mouthed it on the way down.

Ken

[Kingfish2]

The CO's were out in force along the Muskegon Channel last night and nailed several from Mecosta County around 11:00 p.m. plus several earlier from Muskegon who were ripping fish by the Silversides. The CO's were just "fishing" right next to them lol. Those will prove to be some expensive whitefish! They could have done better spearing the fish-- which by the way IS legal during December.

[duckman#1]

we are heading out to Muskegon on Sunday to try to catch our first whitefish! What is the best time of the day or night to catch whitefish? I noticed some say they use hopkins spoons, would swedish pimples with a glow strip work for jigging?

How is the channel? is it still fishable or has it iced up?

Thanks

[severus]

Don't bother going before dusk, Duckman. It's a night bite. Hopkins spoons, Swedish pimples, Kastmasters, Lee's spoons, or anything else that jigs will work. I was out there in the wind last night with Sixshooter, SFW1960, and Waterfoul. Six had the hot hand by far, even with the wind whipping rod tips around. Not sure how many he landed, but 3/4 oz lures were a must in those conditions.

[silversides]

Remember when salmon snagging was legal? Thats all this kind of whitefishing is, snagging. Sure, you can get some "in the mouth", but if you honestly think that they are biting your 3/4 ounce lures, you are living in denial my friend.

If you want to catch them legit, try using boiled salmon eggs out there. Sure, you probably won't have as much action as the people that are gigging them with spoons right next to you, but you can rest assured that they actually took your bait.

[jeremy L]

Remember when salmon snagging was legal? Thats all this kind of whitefishing is, snagging. Sure, you can get some "in the mouth", but if you honestly think that they are biting your 3/4 ounce lures, you are living in denial my friend.


I have seen whitefish suck in 5/8 ounce fuzzy grub jigs while ice fishing, take stinger spoons without a second thought, and eat 5 inch rubber "minnows" on a 3/4 ounce jig. Don't forget about those caught by people trolling Mag. SS for kings during the summer.

Don't let those whitefish mouths fool you, they may look pretty small and frail, but they can eat some BIG baits.

[duckman#1]

anyone planning on going out sunday night?

[books]

I'm planning on going out tonight. How was the fishing last night?

[duckman#1]

What time are you planning on being there? A remote chance we might make it late tonight too.

[severus]

Remember when salmon snagging was legal? Thats all this kind of whitefishing is, snagging. Sure, you can get some "in the mouth", but if you honestly think that they are biting your 3/4 ounce lures, you are living in denial my friend.

If you want to catch them legit, try using boiled salmon eggs out there. Sure, you probably won't have as much action as the people that are gigging them with spoons right next to you, but you can rest assured that they actually took your bait.
That's funny...I've seen several dozen whitefish with 3/4 jigging lures in their mouths this fall. I guess that must have just have been an incredible coincidence, and that they were all foul-hooked in the mouth. Denial is a river in egypt, my friend.

[silversides]

[QUOTE=severus] I guess that must have just have been an incredible coincidence, and that they were all foul-hooked in the mouth.
QUOTE]

Indeed, it was an incredible coincidence. How many hundreds have you seen this year brought in tail first? I "fished" for them with masses a couple years ago, but lets get realistic, the whitefish are not in there to eat. If you want some filets for the freezer, than go ahead and jig away, but don't be proud of your tactics when 90 percent of the fish come in with with your 3/4 ouncers in there tails, fins, etc.

[stinger63]

whats the conditions for over there right now?Is it icy and how do I get to the fishing location? Reply in a pm if you want.Help Please Thanks Aaron

[books]

Duckman. I'm gonna try to be out around 5:30 or so. Prolly gonna try by the silversides first I'm takeing a buddy that doesn't fish much. In fact he's gotta stop at meijers on his way to get a fishing licence if that tells ya much. Should be fun thou. Good luck if you make it out. I don't know how late we'll stay.

[Oldgrandman]

[QUOTE=severus] I guess that must have just have been an incredible coincidence, and that they were all foul-hooked in the mouth.
QUOTE]

Indeed, it was an incredible coincidence. How many hundreds have you seen this year brought in tail first? I "fished" for them with masses a couple years ago, but lets get realistic, the whitefish are not in there to eat. If you want some filets for the freezer, than go ahead and jig away, but don't be proud of your tactics when 90 percent of the fish come in with with your 3/4 ouncers in there tails, fins, etc.

Here is what I've noticed. Some of those guys a bit grayer than me can walk right up and lip hook several fish in a row pretty quickly with a spoon. Thats experience/skill on their part. While others only seem to be able to snag them. If it is just snagging them in the lip, I don't know-doubt it, but some can do it a lot better than others thats for sure! I am at about 50% in the lip. Usually I know immediately when I set the hook if its in the lip or not, someday I'll probably know before I set the hook. A few more gray hairs and I'll be one walking up like that I hope.

And silversides, salmon ain't in the river to feed either but they sure slam a hot-n-tot pretty hard and upon landing is in their mouth!
Just my 2 cent on it.

[duckman#1]

Books, shoot me a PM on how ya did if I don't see ya there.
Thanks

[sfw1960]

Here is what I've noticed. Some of those guys a bit grayer than me can walk right up and lip hook several fish in a row pretty quickly with a spoon. Thats experience/skill on their part. While others only seem to be able to snag them. If it is just snagging them in the lip, I don't know-doubt it, but some can do it a lot better than others thats for sure! I am at about 50% in the lip. Usually I know immediately when I set the hook if its in the lip or not, someday I'll probably know before I set the hook. A few more gray hairs and I'll be one walking up like that I hope.

And silversides, salmon ain't in the river to feed either but they sure slam a hot-n-tot pretty hard and upon landing is in their mouth!
Just my 2 cent on it.
I agree SOOOOOOOOOO MUCH!!!!
:lol:
While I do NOT dispute that some fish are foul hooked , that's bound to happen when they are stacked like cord wood. Severus , Sixshooter , Waterfoul AND myself all made light of the first fish Sixshooter CAUGHT ~ the comment was made by him :
"That fish wasn't getting away even if he broke the line!"
All three tines of the treble were sticking OUT from the fishes mouth and the treble was 'centered' in it's choppers. I've had quite a few Whitefish pound the spoon while at rest (tipped with waxies) , and prefer a 1/2 Oz over a 3/4 Oz - B/C I can feel bites better.
I'd say "90% of fish are foul hooked" is a less that fair & honest statement , but then again I do agree some guys are just "rippin' " with no idea what they are doing. Severus probably has one of the shortest , lightest jigs of anyone I've seen out there and he sure gets his share LEGALLY hooked.
They bite ANYTHING lightning fast too , just like a Cisco (to those who have fished for other deep water species) .
Most anyone I've seen foul hook a fish throws it back when I state that it's been snagged. Calling the RAP line , saying something yourself or just not participating in the "run" goes much farther than simply complaning about something and doing nothing about it but complain.
:)
Aren't we supposed to be on this site to share info and have fun?
You have the idea - Oldgrandman....
BTW ~ WHEN you do hook a "foul" fish it's EASY to tell the difference.
An old fried (Bill @ Shoreline) told me that when you hook a Whitey in the mouth it comes right to the surface and maybe will tussle a bit then , and if it's in the tail or side it will dig right for the bottom. He's absolutely correct.
It looks like the runs is winding down - as last night I lost a few , missed a few & landed two (Severus kept putting a VooDoo HeX on my fish & they kept getting off !! :lol: ) One of the fish I landed was foul and the second one has two tines in it's mouth.. LEGAL.
Waterfoul's first fish he's ever caught was a legal-eagle too.
BTW - Congrats again , MIke. I guess Sixshooters coaching helped , huh?
;)

Robert

[severus]

Indeed, it was an incredible coincidence. How many hundreds have you seen this year brought in tail first? I "fished" for them with masses a couple years ago, but lets get realistic, the whitefish are not in there to eat. If you want some filets for the freezer, than go ahead and jig away, but don't be proud of your tactics when 90 percent of the fish come in with with your 3/4 ouncers in there tails, fins, etc.

Sounds like you foul-hooked all your fish. Too bad for you.

Don't cast aspersions on fishermen who can and do legally catch whitefish, because yes, they do bite. See for yourself. Watch how it's done. Get some for yourself. And bring a CO with you to stand at my side while you're at it - I've got nothing to hide from them or you.

[severus]

It looks like the runs is winding down - as last night I lost a few , missed a few & landed two (Severus kept putting a VooDoo HeX on my fish & they kept getting off !! :lol:)

Next time I'll bring my Shrunken head talisman and really mess you up. :evil:

[waterfoul]

Yeah, I caught one fish all night and it was legal!!

[sfw1960]

Next time I'll bring my Shrunken head talisman and really mess you up. :evil:
AS long as it doesn't look like it's the head of the beer L00ter!!!
:evilsmile
!!
:lol:

[Sixshooter]

Remember when salmon snagging was legal? Thats all this kind of whitefishing is, snagging. Sure, you can get some "in the mouth", but if you honestly think that they are biting your 3/4 ounce lures, you are living in denial my friend.

If you want to catch them legit, try using boiled salmon eggs out there. Sure, you probably won't have as much action as the people that are gigging them with spoons right next to you, but you can rest assured that they actually took your bait.

Answer me a question please. Were you or were you not cited for snagging?
If the answer is yes you were cited for snagging then shut the hell up and stop bad mouthing other people. Because you have ZERO credibility.

Back when I still lived in Montague I would fish hopkins spoons for walleye all the time on white lake. During those times you can't imagine how many fish will actually BITE a hopkins spoon. I've caught, Carp, Suckers, Bass, Walleye, Pike, Catfish, sheephead,and some other species I was not able to identify. Out of these fish listed how many would you expect to take a spoon?

I bet you wouldn't have suckers, catfish, or carp on that list. But they eat them just as the rest of the fish do. Just because a fish isn't known for chasing down a herd of minnows doesn't mean they are not predetory fish.

[fishin'magician']

Hey guy's the thing I love about this site is the comoradery I just posted the results of my day as to help others catch more fish. Let's not do this with eachother we are all sportsmen and have all fallen to the temptations of foul play in one way or the other.

[silversides]

First off, the answer is no, I have never been cited for snagging, ever.

Secondly, how does this have anything to do with the topic at hand? I don't deny that spawning whitefish will bite spoons, but like I said, that is the exception, not norm. Listen, I could care less about how you "catch" your whitefish. Whether you snag them, spear them, or shoot um' with a slingshot, it really doesn't matter to me, it's not any of my business. But when you lead hundreds of other people to believe that jigging them in the channel is a legitimate way of fishing, then you are no better than the river guides who tell their clients that the salmon they catch off the redds with 10 foot leaders and size 12 flies are actually biting...

Why are you guys getting so worked up anyways? Are you afraid that you might not be able to go out and get an easy limit like you've always done in the past? That seems familiar, oh yeah, thats the same way of thinking that occurred when salmon snagging was banned. Hey, I'll betcha if you go up to Tippy in the fall, you'll see some salmon brought in with silver spider in their chops, does that mean that they bit it?

[Sixshooter]

I don't deny that spawning whitefish will bite spoons, but like I said, that is the exception, not norm. Listen, I could care less about how you "catch" your whitefish.

So then tell me. With the words you have presented to the class right here. Why in the HELL are you even trying to start an arguement on this subject? Is it because you are a rich little brat with nothing better to do? Don't you have some social studies you need to study? Or how about go get a job?

Oops did I just say that out loud.

Piss off Silversides and Kill a Steelhead. Then mail him the picture of the carcuss.

[silversides]

Calm down Sixshooter, no need for name calling. Your an adult, remember?

[Steve]

This thread has degraded enough... time to shut her down.